American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200
Where did AA use the Boeing 767-200 and 200ER and when did they get ridd of them ?
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I have a postcard showing 767-200ER at DUS. They were used to many points in Europe, and I rode on a number of those flights. Many long-closed destinations like DUS, MUC (old airport), STR, LYS, GVA, ARN, BHX, GLA, EDI plus PAR (ORY, then CDG), BRU, FRA, ZRH. Replaced with the -300ER as more came into the fleet or, briefly, with sub-fleet 3-cabin A300-600. Non-ER -200s flew US Domestic, and IIRC, the last 767 JFK-LAX/SFO trips were on standard -200s with 3 cabins (all -300ERs had been converted to F/Y by then). I think all of the 767 routes to Deep South America were -300ERs, but I suppose some could have started with the -200ER. I'm sure there were more routes I haven't remembered/listed.
I don't know where they went after AA service...probably most to the desert.
I don't know where they went after AA service...probably most to the desert.
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I recall flying a AA 762 between JFK and BGI in the 90s
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The 767-200ER helped American open up its deep South America destinations in 1990, when the airline purchased the Eastern Latin American franchise. MIA-EZE-SCL, MIA-GRU and MIA-GIG were the 3 routes that saw the 762ER. By 1992, they had been mostly replaced by the 767-300ER.
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The highest line number was sub-200. Surprisingly 5 are still active, all freighters owned by CAM.
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The last assignment of the AA 767-200ER fleet was JFK-LAX/SFO transcontinental flights - you could photograph them on a regular basis from Imperial Hill as late as spring 2014. Not sure if that's what you're asking about though.
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I flew on a 767-200ER between MIA-MAD and back during the summer of 1993. shortly after that they switched to the 763ER on that route.
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Newark727 wrote:The last assignment of the AA 767-200ER fleet was JFK-LAX/SFO transcontinental flights - you could photograph them on a regular basis from Imperial Hill as late as spring 2014. Not sure if that's what you're asking about though.
They also popped up on JFK-BDA/MIA once a day or so until the A321T came online and the 767-200ER retirements started.
The -200ERs were 3-cabin aircraft through the end and had fewer total seats than the 757s at the time. The J cabin was sold as Y when not on transcon runs. IIRC the last one was retired in May 2015 but the standard -200s were long gone by then.
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Re: American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200
Thanx for your feedback. I am wondering what type I was flying on back in March 1988 between Orlando and Dallas and Dallas and Mexico city.
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American Airlines used its 767-200s on flights across the Atlantic and to a lesser extent on routes to deep South America. They were the fleet for the JFK to LAX/SFO transcons until 2014, when the remaining 762s were all retired and replaced with A321Ts for the transcontinental market. American flew its 762s from ORD, JFK, and BOS to Europe (virtually all its European destinations in the 1980s and 1990s got the 762 at one point or another) with the -300ER and A300-600s as well (AB6s were used on JFK/BOS to LHR and JFK/BOS to CDG). The 772's were initially primarily used on LHR, some FRA, and hub to hub routes from DFW and MIA to Europe, and to deep South America, Japan, and on domestic runs between hubs. Very early in their existence on property, the 762s were also used on some LGA-ORD routes, JFK-MIA got them also, to the end.
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AA also operated the 762's on IAD/LAX/IAD in 3-cabin "American Flagship Service" config./cabin-service. Fond memories of the F-class service, it was excellent!
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Mortyman wrote:American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200
Regular visitors to GRU and GIG during 90's and 00's.
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Prior to the acquisition of the EA routes to South America, and the late 80's expansion to Europe the early (non-ER) frames were used on a variety of domestic routes, but a bit more heavily on ones like SFO-ORD, SFO-JFK, ORD-DFW, ORD-PHX, ORD-LAX (at times). On a number of these, the early 767s were used as a sort of back-fill to the DC10's as some of those were reassigned to other routes ( new or expanded service)
In early 1983 I recall taking one on a Sunday from ORD-DFW to a convention. The frame had been in service about a month I was told. I was quite impressed.
The first batch of 767's (and 15 757s) were originally ordered in 1978 as eventual replacements for the 707's. The Iranian crises in 79 /80 and subsequent rise in fuel prices and availability pushed the retirement of the 707s at AA up to September of 1981 (as I recall) . Additionally, the subsequent economic downturn caused by the Iranian issues caused AA to defer the 757s until about 1988.
The 767's (early Non ER) were a fuel efficient godsend in the early-mid 80's assigned to various domestic trunk routes. Remember, there was no ETOPS until about 1986 or so (pioneered by TWA)
(someone can correct if I'm not recalling dates exactly)
One other item of note in that time frame was the deal Crandall cut with BN to take 15 727-200A frames that BN could not pay for due to over expansion, recession and eventual BK. These also were worked in on a number of routes formerly flown by the 707's. There was a lot jockying of equipment to match demand and supply while trying to slow the flow of red ink in that time frame.
Hope this helps.
In early 1983 I recall taking one on a Sunday from ORD-DFW to a convention. The frame had been in service about a month I was told. I was quite impressed.
The first batch of 767's (and 15 757s) were originally ordered in 1978 as eventual replacements for the 707's. The Iranian crises in 79 /80 and subsequent rise in fuel prices and availability pushed the retirement of the 707s at AA up to September of 1981 (as I recall) . Additionally, the subsequent economic downturn caused by the Iranian issues caused AA to defer the 757s until about 1988.
The 767's (early Non ER) were a fuel efficient godsend in the early-mid 80's assigned to various domestic trunk routes. Remember, there was no ETOPS until about 1986 or so (pioneered by TWA)
(someone can correct if I'm not recalling dates exactly)
One other item of note in that time frame was the deal Crandall cut with BN to take 15 727-200A frames that BN could not pay for due to over expansion, recession and eventual BK. These also were worked in on a number of routes formerly flown by the 707's. There was a lot jockying of equipment to match demand and supply while trying to slow the flow of red ink in that time frame.
Hope this helps.
Re: American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200
Prior to the acquisition of the EA routes to South America, and the late 80's expansion to Europe the early (non-ER) frames were used on a variety of domestic routes, but a bit more heavily on ones like SFO-ORD, SFO-JFK, ORD-DFW, ORD-PHX, ORD-LAX (at times). On a number of these, the early 767s were used as a sort of back-fill to the DC10's as some of those were reassigned to other routes ( new or expanded service)
In early 1983 I recall taking one on a Sunday from ORD-DFW to a convention. The frame had been in service about a month I was told. I was quite impressed.
The first batch of 767's (and 15 757s) were originally ordered in 1978 as eventual replacements for the 707's. The Iranian crises in 79 /80 and subsequent rise in fuel prices and availability pushed the retirement of the 707s at AA up to September of 1981 (as I recall) . Additionally, the subsequent economic downturn caused by the Iranian issues caused AA to defer the 757s until about 1988.
The 767's (early Non ER) were a fuel efficient godsend in the early-mid 80's assigned to various domestic trunk routes. Remember, there was no ETOPS until about 1986 or so (pioneered by TWA)
(someone can correct if I'm not recalling dates exactly)
One other item of note in that time frame was the deal Crandall cut with BN to take 15 727-200A frames that BN could not pay for due to over expansion, recession and eventual BK. These also were worked in on a number of routes formerly flown by the 707's. There was a lot jockying of equipment to match demand and supply while trying to slow the flow of red ink in that time frame.
Hope this helps.
In early 1983 I recall taking one on a Sunday from ORD-DFW to a convention. The frame had been in service about a month I was told. I was quite impressed.
The first batch of 767's (and 15 757s) were originally ordered in 1978 as eventual replacements for the 707's. The Iranian crises in 79 /80 and subsequent rise in fuel prices and availability pushed the retirement of the 707s at AA up to September of 1981 (as I recall) . Additionally, the subsequent economic downturn caused by the Iranian issues caused AA to defer the 757s until about 1988.
The 767's (early Non ER) were a fuel efficient godsend in the early-mid 80's assigned to various domestic trunk routes. Remember, there was no ETOPS until about 1986 or so (pioneered by TWA)
(someone can correct if I'm not recalling dates exactly)
One other item of note in that time frame was the deal Crandall cut with BN to take 15 727-200A frames that BN could not pay for due to over expansion, recession and eventual BK. These also were worked in on a number of routes formerly flown by the 707's. There was a lot jockying of equipment to match demand and supply while trying to slow the flow of red ink in that time frame.
Hope this helps.
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Wingtips56 wrote:I have a postcard showing 767-200ER at DUS. They were used to many points in Europe, and I rode on a number of those flights. Many long-closed destinations like DUS, MUC (old airport), STR, LYS, GVA, ARN, BHX, GLA, EDI plus PAR (ORY, then CDG), BRU, FRA, ZRH. Replaced with the -300ER as more came into the fleet or, briefly, with sub-fleet 3-cabin A300-600. Non-ER -200s flew US Domestic, and IIRC, the last 767 JFK-LAX/SFO trips were on standard -200s with 3 cabins (all -300ERs had been converted to F/Y by then). I think all of the 767 routes to Deep South America were -300ERs, but I suppose some could have started with the -200ER. I'm sure there were more routes I haven't remembered/listed.
I don't know where they went after AA service...probably most to the desert.
GLA indeed saw the 762 but the only time EDI saw it was a diversion from GLA, I am sure there is a photo on another website with it sitting on gate 6? Back in 92,93?
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They flew DTW-ORD quite often.
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Never got to fly on an AA 762 but I've flown on a US 762, and I think those were retired right after the merger was announced as AA had already replaced theirs with A321's.
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The last few years of 762 in the AA fleet, they were mostly used on SFO and LAX-JFK transcon and the occasional LAX-MIA. I probably flew on 762ER on LAX-JFK 30 or 40 times and probably rotated thru all the remaining 762ER that were still in the fleet. The front cabin recliners were badly out of date by then but economy was not bad. The A321T that replaced the 762 is the opposite... excellent front cabin and horrendous economy.
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bzcat wrote:The last few years of 762 in the AA fleet, they were mostly used on SFO and LAX-JFK transcon and the occasional LAX-MIA. I probably flew on 762ER on LAX-JFK 30 or 40 times and probably rotated thru all the remaining 762ER that were still in the fleet. The front cabin recliners were badly out of date by then but economy was not bad. The A321T that replaced the 762 is the opposite... excellent front cabin and horrendous economy.
So very true. Although, those front recliners were comfy, very dated. Love the back economy on those planes. They were relics flying the JFK-SFO/LAX routes.
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I flew AA121 CDG-JFK in February 2001 on the 762
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The 762 ended its service on JFK/LAX/SFO with a daily turn to MIA. I was op-ed twice from J to F flying from SFO.
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Mortyman wrote:American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200
Where did AA use the Boeing 767-200 and 200ER
As already mentioned, Frankfurt was one of the European destinations.
In our database there is even a photo of one incident (or do you say accident?) of an AA Boeing 767-200ER in Frankfurt:
See caption for what happened.
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I flew the 767-200s from JFK to GIG and from ORD to MXP in the 1990s.
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They were actually widely used throughout the system over the years:
1. LAX domestic runs: IAD, JFK, BOS, EWR.
2. JFK TATL: Initially but eventually replaced by other aircraft. They did fly JFK-BDA almost up to the very end and JFK-SFO/LAX.
3. ORD TATL: On and off but it wasn't terribly common. ORD-ARN-ORD was a big 762 route though.
AA also had several non-ER 767 models which were older and did more domestic runs even in 2001. For instance they did BOS-MCO on a 767 according to the system timetable in summer 2001.
1. LAX domestic runs: IAD, JFK, BOS, EWR.
2. JFK TATL: Initially but eventually replaced by other aircraft. They did fly JFK-BDA almost up to the very end and JFK-SFO/LAX.
3. ORD TATL: On and off but it wasn't terribly common. ORD-ARN-ORD was a big 762 route though.
AA also had several non-ER 767 models which were older and did more domestic runs even in 2001. For instance they did BOS-MCO on a 767 according to the system timetable in summer 2001.
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Mortyman wrote:March 1988 between Orlando and Dallas and Dallas and Mexico city.
3/88 OAG says all MD80 MCO-DFW except the 0828 departure was a 767. DFW-MEX was all 72S.
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WoW, I have enjoyed the AA 767-200/200ER on ORD-ORY, ORD-BRU, ORD-LGW to name a couple of routes.
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It was on BOS-SAN for awhile in the early-mid 2000s
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I think they use to send one down to Port of Spain from Miami. It was the mid morning departure our of Miami. The later was a 737 I think.
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Miamiairport wrote:The 762 ended its service on JFK/LAX/SFO with a daily turn to MIA..
Yes, although it was three-class configured, it was sold as three-class on the JFK-SFO/LAX transcons but only sold as two-class on the JFK-MIA flight. My last flight on a 200 was about seven years ago MIA-JFK, I was using miles and traveling in the C Cabin for price in miles of a Y fare.MIA-JFK roundtrip: 25K miles.
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I flew in a 762 (non ER) from LGA to DFW in late 1983. They ran them on domestic routes from LGA for a number of years. They were removed from service in May, 2014 when the 321T took over transcons (JFK-LAX/SFO). My last 762 flight was January, 2014, LAX-JFK.
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ORD-YYZ saw the AA 762 frequently in the 80s. Sporadically as a sub in the 90s.
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