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Newbiepilot wrote:Cancelling routes like this is about the worst negative advertising possible. I wonder how good their loads will be given all the cancellations. Spending all that money on a Transatlantic trip only to risk a cancellation of service seems like it might scare people away.
klm617 wrote:Newbiepilot wrote:Cancelling routes like this is about the worst negative advertising possible. I wonder how good their loads will be given all the cancellations. Spending all that money on a Transatlantic trip only to risk a cancellation of service seems like it might scare people away.
I think a lot of WOW customers book in the short term so the risk is minimal really. I think WOW appeals to the younger college crowd more than anything giving them a chance to see Europe in a very inexpensive way. I think if they were going to fold it would have happened right after Christmas because there would be no reason to operate in January or February as loads are very light then.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
This is good for everyone KEF was running way over capacity.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:BOS, BWI, DTW, EWR, YYZ, YUL are all pretty short flights to KEF and have large numbers of O&D to Europe. Seems like a good set to get things working again.
lavalampluva wrote:Circling the drain.
LAX772LR wrote:lavalampluva wrote:Circling the drain.
Quite the opposite, I'd say they're finally starting to act like a rational airline:
established financing, fleet rationalization, and slow organic growth.
RWA380 wrote:Is this the end of the WB flying for Wow? Are they exclusively going with their A321’s? That would fit in with Indigo fleets, would it not?
SCQ83 wrote:And other than a seasonal ARN-KEF on SAS, there is not a single new route for KEF so far planned for this year. It seems the Icelandic bubble has popped.
Blerg wrote:Slightly off topic but what does this mean for FI at ORD? From what I remember they boosted frequencies in summer and even sent the B763. Could we see even more seats being added?
a350lover wrote:Are there any changes of the WOW European network confirmed? Having downgraded to just 11 aircraft still makes me think that they won't be flying to all the places they were last summer. Although with less frequencies in many cities. I believe they reach more cities than FI.
SRQKEF wrote:STN, AMS, CDG and CPH to remain at any meaningful frequency.
2travel2know2 wrote:If WW want to cut costs, wouldn't make sense for the airline to move from BOS to PVD and if it wants to remain in Chicagoland, fly to MKE?
Also, YHM would be a budget alternative for YYZ and SWF for EWR.
a350lover wrote:SRQKEF wrote:STN, AMS, CDG and CPH to remain at any meaningful frequency.
Very likely. I'd only add Berlin SXF maybe. DUB if they wanna strongly go for the purely "Atlantic crossers".
2travel2know2 wrote:If WW want to cut costs, wouldn't make sense for the airline to move from BOS to PVD and if it wants to remain in Chicagoland, fly to MKE?
Also, YHM would be a budget alternative for YYZ and SWF for EWR.
enilria wrote:2travel2know2 wrote:If WW want to cut costs, wouldn't make sense for the airline to move from BOS to PVD and if it wants to remain in Chicagoland, fly to MKE?
Also, YHM would be a budget alternative for YYZ and SWF for EWR.
Maybe they could try CVG, CLE, and STL too??? Obviously they learned that the secondary airports didn't produce enough traffic and closed all of them. I don't think they need a second lesson.
klm617 wrote:I can't even begin to tell you how shocked I am but pleased that Detroit made the cut.
MIflyer12 wrote:The budget carrier already was known for rock-bottom fares across the Atlantic, but the Icelandic airline says its latest $49 offering is its lowest-ever for travel between the USA and Europe. The $49 fares are available on routes such at Pittsburgh-Frankfurt; Newark, New Jersey-Brussels; and Detroit-Dublin.[/i]
MIflyer12 wrote:klm617 wrote:I can't even begin to tell you how shocked I am but pleased that Detroit made the cut.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Europeans don't want to come to Detroit. Delta will kill them on U.S. point of sale out of a big hub.
enilria wrote:With WW current narrow-body fleet, range-wise CVG and STL from KEF may present some challenges.2travel2know2 wrote:If WW want to cut costs, wouldn't make sense for the airline to move from BOS to PVD and if it wants to remain in Chicagoland, fly to MKE?
Also, YHM would be a budget alternative for YYZ and SWF for EWR.
Maybe they could try CVG, CLE, and STL too???
CVG, CLE and STL aren't secondary airports, they're those markets major/main airports.Obviously they learned that the secondary airports didn't produce enough traffic and closed all of them.
For WW, U2, FR, W6 type airlines, many times, route-rentability is only found after the route is launched. LCC opening and closing routes is quite normal unlike US3.I don't think they need a second lesson.
Newbiepilot wrote:Cancelling routes like this is about the worst negative advertising possible. I wonder how good their loads will be given all the cancellations. Spending all that money on a Transatlantic trip only to risk a cancellation of service seems like it might scare people away.
klm617 wrote:I can't even begin to tell you how shocked I am but pleased that Detroit made the cut.
2travel2know2 wrote:enilria wrote:With WW current narrow-body fleet, range-wise CVG and STL from KEF may present some challenges.2travel2know2 wrote:If WW want to cut costs, wouldn't make sense for the airline to move from BOS to PVD and if it wants to remain in Chicagoland, fly to MKE?
Also, YHM would be a budget alternative for YYZ and SWF for EWR.
Maybe they could try CVG, CLE, and STL too???CVG, CLE and STL aren't secondary airports, they're those markets major/main airports.Obviously they learned that the secondary airports didn't produce enough traffic and closed all of them.
Secondary airports seem to work well for FR and W6 and time-wise, KEF to where it flies now wouldn't classify as long-haul.For WW, U2, FR, W6 type airlines, many times, route-rentability is only found after the route is launched. LCC opening and closing routes is quite normal unlike US3.I don't think they need a second lesson.
RJNUT wrote:I gotta say that as an enthusiast , the Iceland war last summer was great to see develop with all these different markets being added!, but all good things must end. I think there is a happy medium , just glad MCI got FI and not WW(probably wont last however)
SRQKEF wrote:RJNUT wrote:I gotta say that as an enthusiast , the Iceland war last summer was great to see develop with all these different markets being added!, but all good things must end. I think there is a happy medium , just glad MCI got FI and not WW(probably wont last however)
I've only heard good thing about the performance of MCI, so I'd expect it to last. FI usually doesn't start routes unless they're sure they can keep flying there (DFW is an unusual exception to that rule) and the MAX is right sized for the market. IIRC they even extended the season with additional weekly frequencies next summer.
2travel2know2 wrote:enilria wrote:With WW current narrow-body fleet, range-wise CVG and STL from KEF may present some challenges.2travel2know2 wrote:If WW want to cut costs, wouldn't make sense for the airline to move from BOS to PVD and if it wants to remain in Chicagoland, fly to MKE?
Also, YHM would be a budget alternative for YYZ and SWF for EWR.
Maybe they could try CVG, CLE, and STL too???CVG, CLE and STL aren't secondary airports, they're those markets major/main airports.Obviously they learned that the secondary airports didn't produce enough traffic and closed all of them.
Secondary airports seem to work well for FR and W6 and time-wise, KEF to where it flies now wouldn't classify as long-haul.For WW, U2, FR, W6 type airlines, many times, route-rentability is only found after the route is launched. LCC opening and closing routes is quite normal unlike US3.I don't think they need a second lesson.
VS4ever wrote:SRQKEF wrote:RJNUT wrote:I gotta say that as an enthusiast , the Iceland war last summer was great to see develop with all these different markets being added!, but all good things must end. I think there is a happy medium , just glad MCI got FI and not WW(probably wont last however)
I've only heard good thing about the performance of MCI, so I'd expect it to last. FI usually doesn't start routes unless they're sure they can keep flying there (DFW is an unusual exception to that rule) and the MAX is right sized for the market. IIRC they even extended the season with additional weekly frequencies next summer.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r%20kansas
4th weekly this summer, will fly Mon, Tues, Fri and Sun
FSDan wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:klm617 wrote:I can't even begin to tell you how shocked I am but pleased that Detroit made the cut.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Europeans don't want to come to Detroit. Delta will kill them on U.S. point of sale out of a big hub.
Except DL's probably not going to price match WW on TATL flights, leaving some low yielding passengers for WW to scoop up. DTW is probably a good pick for them since they provide a unique option in the market. It's not like EWR or BOS where you have Norwegian, Level, etc. competing for the same passengers.
enilria wrote:VS4ever wrote:SRQKEF wrote:
I've only heard good thing about the performance of MCI, so I'd expect it to last. FI usually doesn't start routes unless they're sure they can keep flying there (DFW is an unusual exception to that rule) and the MAX is right sized for the market. IIRC they even extended the season with additional weekly frequencies next summer.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r%20kansas
4th weekly this summer, will fly Mon, Tues, Fri and Sun
I'd only say be careful what you wish for. I think every market that WW added frequency to last year ended up being dropped in round 1 of the culling. Sometimes it's better to boost the results before putting in more seats.
SRQKEF wrote:enilria wrote:VS4ever wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r%20kansas
4th weekly this summer, will fly Mon, Tues, Fri and Sun
I'd only say be careful what you wish for. I think every market that WW added frequency to last year ended up being dropped in round 1 of the culling. Sometimes it's better to boost the results before putting in more seats.
Well, FI is a different animal than WOW. But your point is a valid one.
However, 1x extra weekly flight on a MAX vs the 757 last year is only a net addition of around a 100 seats a week. It shouldn't be too much of a risk.
enilria wrote:SRQKEF wrote:enilria wrote:I'd only say be careful what you wish for. I think every market that WW added frequency to last year ended up being dropped in round 1 of the culling. Sometimes it's better to boost the results before putting in more seats.
Well, FI is a different animal than WOW. But your point is a valid one.
However, 1x extra weekly flight on a MAX vs the 757 last year is only a net addition of around a 100 seats a week. It shouldn't be too much of a risk.
Here were their results last year in terms of LF.
Month;Pax;Seats;LF
May;442;549;81%
Jun;1825;2379;77%
Jul;1576;2379;66%
Aug;1418;2379;60%
Sep;1494;2379;63%
Oct;37;183;20%
Source: https://www.flykci.com/newsroom/statist ... tatistics/
Seats could be off a little, but I think they are accurate. Anyway, not great. August was really bad. I don't think adding seats is a wonderful idea.