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US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:54 pm

The US Government shutdown, officially the longest ever, will lead to closing of checkpoints in many airports and at MIA, Concourse G will be closed and travelers will be directed to other checkpoints. More than 51,000 TSA employees have been without pay since Dec. 22 and today(1/11) was their first missed paycheck. Yesterday (1/10) the agency saw a 55 percent increase in employees calling in sick. Some TSA'a are just quitting the job because they have had enough. It seems like it will get much worse until the shutdown ends.

The ATC union has filed a lawsuit on behalf of their employees seeking their full pay. The TSA union might want to do the same.

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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:55 pm

Excellent
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 pm

I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:28 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!


I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:30 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!


I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.


Add LGA, JFK, and EWR to that list of airports. If NYC Airports slow to a crawl with TSA, we're going to have major issues.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:32 pm

Jan 4th:

Tyler Q. Houlton
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More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:36 pm

A3801000 wrote:
Jan 4th:

Tyler Q. Houlton
@SpoxDHS

More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them.


The point - or at least part of the point - is that once folks start missing paychecks it may get worse.
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:41 pm

A3801000 wrote:
Jan 4th:

Tyler Q. Houlton
@SpoxDHS

More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them.


1) Today is 1/11/19
2) Multiple new outlets are reporting this, not just CNN
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:41 pm

evank516 wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!


I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.


Add LGA, JFK, and EWR to that list of airports. If NYC Airports slow to a crawl with TSA, we're going to have major issues.


NY & NJ are represented by Democrats not likely to move their position. It actually strengthen's their argument.

On a side note, I did read that with the shut down FAA is unable to certify new aircraft. So, wonder if that will have an impact on DL's schedule assuming the 220 intro gets delayed.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:43 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
A3801000 wrote:
Jan 4th:

Tyler Q. Houlton
@SpoxDHS

More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them.


1) Today is 1/11/19
2) Multiple new outlets are reporting this, not just CNN


It was pretty clear that it would come to this but the authorities decided to put their head in the sand instead of working on a solution to the foreseeable problem.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:48 pm

and nothing of value was lost.
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:50 pm

This should be a great opportunity to be rid of the TSA and bring back private security...and no private security wasnt to blame for 9-11. Government was. Nothing the hijackers took onboard the flights was illegal or prohibited.

BTW at Nancy Pelosi's airport the security is.....private firm
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:59 pm

It's a sad state of affairs, it really is.
Headed to SEA later today, will see what the scenario is there. The airlines at SEA have been bringing in food and other staples for the TSA workers as a show of support and the Port of Seattle is working with local banks and credit unions to help secure no interest loans for them as well. The port and the airlines know that with TSA staff at the checkpoints no one goes anywhere
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:03 pm

with this government shutdown, are there any security delays out of SFO?
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:08 pm

ER757 wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs, it really is.
Headed to SEA later today, will see what the scenario is there. The airlines at SEA have been bringing in food and other staples for the TSA workers as a show of support and the Port of Seattle is working with local banks and credit unions to help secure no interest loans for them as well. The port and the airlines know that with TSA staff at the checkpoints no one goes anywhere


Through Seattle 3 days ago. Place was running like good swiss watch. Actually better that I have seen it. Let us know how you make out but I suspect the sky is not falling....yet at least.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:19 pm

xxcr wrote:
with this government shutdown, are there any security delays out of SFO?

SFO has private firm doing security....airports can opt out of TSA and SFO did
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:29 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
xxcr wrote:
with this government shutdown, are there any security delays out of SFO?

SFO has private firm doing security....airports can opt out of TSA and SFO did


They have TSA there at terminal 3. i flew SFO-LAX last month and its all TSA. unless that changed in the past week or two.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:30 pm

Prior to 9-11 most airports ran security quite well, usually part of the government agency that runs the airport, like the Port of Seattle runs the airport as well as maritime functions. Why a group with the bosses far far away is better than the local agency is beyond me.

The TSA should monitor the security at the airports to ensure full performance, but it is best that it is run by the airport entity.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:32 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
xxcr wrote:
with this government shutdown, are there any security delays out of SFO?

SFO has private firm doing security....airports can opt out of TSA and SFO did

The TSA denied every application for a few years and now doesn't allow the airport any role in outsourcing the screening. I've long believed that the TSA should only be setting standards and auditing the screening across the country, not conducting the actual screening.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:42 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
evank516 wrote:
TWFlyGuy wrote:

I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.


Add LGA, JFK, and EWR to that list of airports. If NYC Airports slow to a crawl with TSA, we're going to have major issues.


NY & NJ are represented by Democrats not likely to move their position. It actually strengthen's their argument.

On a side note, I did read that with the shut down FAA is unable to certify new aircraft. So, wonder if that will have an impact on DL's schedule assuming the 220 intro gets delayed.


Which argument are you referring to?
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:43 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
Prior to 9-11 most airports ran security quite well,
No they didn't. It was the same joke then that it is now, just with less rules.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:53 pm

Sounds like a great opportunity to rid this country of the TSA. Some of the trogs are quitting? Even better.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:19 pm

silentbob wrote:
The TSA denied every application for a few years and now doesn't allow the airport any role in outsourcing the screening. I've long believed that the TSA should only be setting standards and auditing the screening across the country, not conducting the actual screening.

I'm on board as long as
-The TSA becomes an independent agency;
-Employees in charge of setting standards are paid well enough that they're not attracted by a big fat check for a cushy job with a private security firm a few years down the road.

I'm no fan of the TSA as is, however if its mandate becomes solely to set and enforce standards without further reforms and private firms perform security functions, standards will be even lower in an effort to maximize profits for the firms, a la SEC, FTC, FCC, etc.

If you think security was better before 9/11, you were not paying attention. No argument it is far from being as good as it could be now, but it is still quite improved.
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:28 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!


I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.


That's a good point. I'm sure those Senators would claim to be pro-business and do most anything for their respective airports. Well, they may have a chance to prove it.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:36 pm

So it's not going to get to this https://youtu.be/HMqCnHq2-q8?t=523 right?.... right? :)
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:48 pm

Just cleared through FIS at LAX TBIT a few hours ago. Just about my fastest experience there ever. Had only carry on bag. From terminal entry to exit out the front door in less than 10 minutes. Did not use global entry but did use mobile passport. Walked to T1 for a WN flight and cleared TSA precheck in couple of minutes. I had allowed plenty of time in case of late arrival or FIS and TSA delays so now I’m falling asleep waitin 2 more hours for my connection.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:51 pm

at IAD, you'd be hard-pressed on any given day to know they were ever at work
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:55 pm

A3801000 wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
A3801000 wrote:
Jan 4th:

Tyler Q. Houlton
@SpoxDHS

More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them.


1) Today is 1/11/19
2) Multiple new outlets are reporting this, not just CNN


It was pretty clear that it would come to this but the authorities decided to put their head in the sand instead of working on a solution to the foreseeable problem.


The authorities are not missing any paychecks.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:55 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!


I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.


Or the democrats could vote for the miniscule (in comparison to the overall spending bill) amount for the wall construction that most of them already voted in favor of a few years ago (including Chuck Schumer).

The most likely scenario if the shutdown drags on longer is that they will make targeted spending bills for things like TSA that allow both sides to save face and still show that they are holding firm on their positions.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:57 pm

trav777 wrote:
at IAD, you'd be hard-pressed on any given day to know they were ever at work


Are they working when at work?
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:09 pm

Army can overtake TSA?
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:13 pm

trav777 wrote:
at IAD, you'd be hard-pressed on any given day to know they were ever at work


I took a photo at ATL intl arrivals hall of ~20 blue shirts standing together and doing nothing. But I later deleted it
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:13 pm

September11 wrote:
Army can overtake TSA?


National guard maybe but I don't think army is allowed to operate on US soil in that capacity.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:18 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think alot were ready to quit. This was just the straw that broke the Camels back. Hard to go in and work when you know a paycheck far away. Jeesh hope this doesn't get too much worse!


I think the TSA is precisely where it needs to get worse in order to re-open things. Stall business travel and vacations and the Senate may have some people put pressure on McConnell. If DFW, MIA, ATL & CLT slow substancially, each of those states are served by two Republican's. Pressure could mount pretty quickly to get beyond 60 votes to override a veto.


Let's not forget that the democrats are as recalcitrant as the republicans are. If you think the democrats are going to negotiate a wall after everything else opens, you must also believe in the tooth fairy.

Went thru DAL at 4:00 yesterday -- no issues all though there were lots of TSA pre passengers.
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:19 pm

xxcr wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
xxcr wrote:
with this government shutdown, are there any security delays out of SFO?

SFO has private firm doing security....airports can opt out of TSA and SFO did


They have TSA there at terminal 3. i flew SFO-LAX last month and its all TSA. unless that changed in the past week or two.


SFO is an SPP airport. All of their terminals are operated by a contract company. There is an illusion of them being TSA. TSA requires that they wear a very very similar uniform to the actual TSA agents.
 
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Re: US Government shutdown will close TSA checkpoints at many airports

Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:53 pm

This is the third such topic created regarding the TSA shutdown effects, and each of them simply evolve into political discourse. Please continue this discussion in the active thread in the Non Aviation Forum.

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