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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:12 pm

AA could stand to spread out the TA arrivals a bit. They pack them in during the 3pm hour. But I guess that probably messes with their banks that they seem to want to minimize.

A few things I'd like AA to do:
1.) Revisit the gate alignment at F. What are the movements for F? I'd like to see them potentially shift some gates to allow for some E175 flights to use F

Longer term...probably over a 10 year span
2.) Build a new 10-12 gate terminal west of A-west. All gates should support international flights (widebodies) but certainly not limited to those flights. Similar to IAH's new C north terminal.

3.) Once that is open, close the side of terminal's B and C that face each other. Start building a new consolidated B/C terminal. The terminal will be wider with a bigger hammer head like Terminal D. Figure a 18-20 gate terminal. Some gates should be widebody capable. Basically a net even of gates with the new west terminal. Once that is far enough along, knock down B, open that side of the new terminal, and then knock down C.

This does not inherently add more gates but it solves a lot of problems. Two new terminals will have wide corridors with larger gate areas. B/C are tight, narrow, and from what it sounds like the recent improvements, while nice, have only decreased what small gate space previously existed. Only A can reliably handle widebodies, this alignment provides more flexibility with widebody gate assignments. A 332 flying LAX-PHL-CDG does not need to use a FIS gate. Currently it has to. This new alignment also eliminates the small allyways other than between D and F.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:19 pm

Since we are on the topic of airport expansion. Access to the airport is key for growth. As part of the master plan I would add expanding the Broad Street Line from the sports complex to the Navy Yard and Airport this way the business travelers from the Navy yard has quick access to the airport travelers to the navy yard(Probably never gonna happen). Unfortunately the regional rail can't unfortunately can increase frequency or add an express train from CC to the airport. Introducing more bus routes would help.
Really big shame is Amtrak could have not built train line next to PHL that would have made the airport a lot more attractive.
Instead of building more parking spaces/garages, building an airport for public transit connections would beneficial to the surrounding areas North and South of the airport. That's my vision at least anyone else have better ideas?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:20 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Since we are on the topic of airport expansion. Access to the airport is key for growth. As part of the master plan I would add expanding the Broad Street Line from the sports complex to the Navy Yard and Airport this way the business travelers from the Navy yard has quick access to the airport travelers to the navy yard(Probably never gonna happen). Unfortunately the regional rail can't unfortunately can increase frequency or add an express train from CC to the airport. Introducing more bus routes would help.
Really big shame is Amtrak could have not built train line next to PHL that would have made the airport a lot more attractive.
Instead of building more parking spaces/garages, building an airport for public transit connections would beneficial to the surrounding areas North and South of the airport. That's my vision at least anyone else have better ideas?


I remember Amtrak was suppose to be in talk as part of one there major projects to connect Amtrak to the airport. Not sure the status of that at this point. For Septa I did hear talks recently about potentially extending to the Navy Yard. I would have to google the articles I've seen in the past for those who want confirmation on those talks. Besides that I'm not sure what other means is there that could make travel easy to the airport. Unless they make a dedicated shuttle bus route from the airport to somewhere down town. I know Toronto does that and some other cities.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:46 am

I really don't understand this discussion (ref: airport transportation). You all realize that there exists and has for many years, frequent high speed trains directly to the airport terminals, including directly from one of AMTRAK's major stations (30th Street - Philadelphia). It's an almost seamless connection. http://septa.org/schedules/rail/w/AIR_0.html
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:29 am

acentauri wrote:
I really don't understand this discussion (ref: airport transportation). You all realize that there exists and has for many years, frequent high speed trains directly to the airport terminals, including directly from one of AMTRAK's major stations (30th Street - Philadelphia). It's an almost seamless connection. http://septa.org/schedules/rail/w/AIR_0.html


Yea I’m well aware of the connections at 30th street. According to this article from 2017

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... /95961882/

There is/was attempts for creating a stop at the airport but of course funding would be tough.
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PHLspecial
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:52 pm

acentauri wrote:
I really don't understand this discussion (ref: airport transportation). You all realize that there exists and has for many years, frequent high speed trains directly to the airport terminals, including directly from one of AMTRAK's major stations (30th Street - Philadelphia). It's an almost seamless connection. http://septa.org/schedules/rail/w/AIR_0.html


Like I said in my post, the airport line is every 30 minutes. Delaware dwellers can connect to the airport quicker using Amtrak or even Septa is they so chose to run it. There are some decent business in Delaware that providing a closer connection to the airport helps. I understand 30th Street is Amtraks third busiest station. Taking the train from Delaware to PHL seems a long journey Probably looking at an 1 and 1/2 hours of trip time.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:30 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
No new runways, certainly no new terminals anytime soon. Are all three hardstands used in the afternoon? Buses are not that bad having done it in other countries. The airport would need continue growth for a new terminal.I would think around 35 million passengers a year would make the case for expansion.
I would think AA is holding back the expansion because of cost. Besides AA can upgauge a few flights on to mainline planes but that has its limit.
PHL has the space still to grow.


For general growth AA has plenty of room and schedule time to add banks to PHL again if they want to increase schedule. The real issue is Widebody scheduling at peak times, which doesn't have a great or inexpensive solution.
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