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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri May 10, 2019 1:14 am

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According to the AWL document, the LOV of a 767-300BCF is 75,000 Flight Cycles and 180,000 Flight Hours
The LOV of a 767-300F is 60,000 Flight Cycles and 180,000 Flight Hours.

So, it a bit closer to 70,000 flight hours left. Quite a bit of life for a freighter.


Currently the highest time jet anywhere is an ex-KLM 744 that was parked with around 140,000 hours. Beyond that really is uncharted territory when it comes to practical use. Reliability will be an interesting thing to watch.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri May 10, 2019 2:22 am

JohnO67 wrote:
According to the AWL document, the LOV of a 767-300BCF is 75,000 Flight Cycles and 180,000 Flight Hours
The LOV of a 767-300F is 60,000 Flight Cycles and 180,000 Flight Hours.

So, it a bit closer to 70,000 flight hours left. Quite a bit of life for a freighter.


Can you provide proof of 180,000 hours? Because this document says 150,000. https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... ticle2.pdf
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 7:13 pm

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An ex-DL B763ER, N1501P, is now on the move after it's retirement from DL's fleet, and will become a freighter. I wonder why it was retired in the first place if it wasn't ready to be scrapped? (info from skyliner-aviation.de).

Boeing 767-3P6 24983 334 N409AZ Cargo Aircraft Management delivery 30 April 2019 SBD-ILN, old N-reg prior freighter conversion ex-N1501P

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1501P

N1501P has now flown to TLV, via SNN, for freighter conversion.

Boeing 767-3P6 24983 334 N1501P Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 12/14 May 2019 ILN-SNN-TLV, for freighter conversion...(skyliner-aviation.de).
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 7:27 pm

And N730WE is on its way back to CONUS, which I guess Skyliner didn't notice. To be N367AZ. The new photo of it when you track it on flightaware is excellent. Doesn't look too scary post-conversion.

And 1501P is going to be N409AZ. Skyliner missed that. Flightaware has a good photo of it leaving SNN for TLV. Still has the satellite antenna on top.

The AZ suffix means both will be flying for Amazon, likely at ATI.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 8:04 pm

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And 1501P is going to be N409AZ. Skyliner missed that. Flightaware has a good photo of it leaving SNN for TLV. Still has the satellite antenna on top.

The AZ suffix means both will be flying for Amazon, likely at ATI.

Actually it was noted in reply #120 above!
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 9:01 pm

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wjcandee wrote:
And 1501P is going to be N409AZ. Skyliner missed that. Flightaware has a good photo of it leaving SNN for TLV. Still has the satellite antenna on top.

The AZ suffix means both will be flying for Amazon, likely at ATI.

Actually it was noted in reply #120 above!


You are correct. My apologies. I remember seeing that post at the time and thinking they had jumped the gun on the number change before I read it more carefully.

I just forgot about that. Didn't mean to sound snitty; sometimes I just state info and then when I look at it later I realize that you can't tell from the typed words how it was intended if stated aloud.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 1:32 am

Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 5:25 am

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Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

So much for reply #118 in answer to my post #115!
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 7:27 am

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Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

That’d sure be neat, but what’s the source for this confirmation?
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am

audidudi wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

So much for reply #118 in answer to my post #115!


Yeah the guy with the wrong information was pretty-definitive about it. Doh! :-)
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 7:52 am

Spacepope wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

That’d sure be neat, but what’s the source for this confirmation?


Boeing's monthly order and delivery update
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 8:08 am

Azur Air acquired yet another bird,

C/N27477 LN780 VP-BRA Azur Air delivery 12-14may19 GYR-BGR-SAW ex 4X-EAL

This one is one of the former El Al aircraft, a PW engined one, so most probably unwanted as a freighter. And they have one more to come LN853 as VQ-BEO ex Hawaiian as N581HA. There are a few more fairly young El AL frames on the market, wonder if they decide on acquiring more.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 2:19 pm

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Spacepope wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

That’d sure be neat, but what’s the source for this confirmation?


Boeing's monthly order and delivery update


Correct

Nice growth at UPS over the past several years. 28 new 747-8Fs, now 8 new 767-300Fs and the 3 767-300BCFs.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 8:18 pm

The first "new" UPS 767-300F since 2013

L/N 1180, N365UP, KPAE, May 15th 2019, landing after second flight with callsign BOE293 (B1 flight was at May 11th 2019 ), see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE
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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/11 ... 6993016832
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 8:26 pm

HONGKONG - Hong Kong airport is looking for a buyer for an abandoned Boeing 767-300ER from the Russian Transaero Airlines. If you put down $ 795,000 (about $ 700,000), you can take the device home.

The Boeing, with registration EI-DFS, was built in 1991 and flew for Royal Brunei Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines and Transaero Airlines. When the latter company went bankrupt in 2015 and lost its flight permit, the 767 remained behind in Hong Kong.

Because the aircraft takes up valuable space, Hong Kong airport now wants to get rid of it. Flying away just like that is not possible: the device first requires intensive maintenance and, in addition, the required maintenance documents are lost.

The chance is therefore high that the device will go to demolition, but also a conversion into a restaurant, garden house or play paradise is possible. Those interested can make a bid until 7 August. Viewing is possible on June 5 and 26.


source in Dutch

So, if you have some spare money lying around....
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 8:56 am

Seen the present ground and flight tests of UPS B767-300F N365UP with Rockwell Collins Large Format Displays (according UPS spec's), I did some research on the certification requirements of this LDS installation.

First I was looking into the B767 Type certificate.
See : http://rgl.faa.gov/regulatory_and_guida ... Rev_37.pdf
I was surprised to discover that a new 767 sub-type (see VII. 767-300F Major Design Change – Large Format Display System) was created.
Aircraft listed in this sub-type were produced with a Rockwell Collins, Inc. STC number ST01750WI installed during production.

STC number ST01750W see : http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... 1750WI.pdf

Conclusions :
The first three Fedex 767-32SF aircraft (N101FE-103FE) were delivered with the old Dispay system installed, but wiring changes already included for modification to LDS
The following 767-32SF aircraft (N104FE - N128FE) were delivered with LDS installed, but certified with STC number ST01750W
L/N 1090, N129FE, delivered 24 November 2015 was the first to be certified as factory certified "767-300F Major Design Change – Large Format Display System"
L/N 1180, N365UP will be the first "non Fedex" 767-300F to be delivered as a "767-300F Major Design Change – Large Format Display System" according unique "UPS specification"
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 1:37 pm

CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.


UPS 767-300F Backlog

UPS 4x767-300F 01-Feb-2018
UPS 3x767-300F 30-Mar-2018
UPS 2x767-300F 15-Jun-2018
UPS 4x767-300F 22-Feb-2019

Total 13
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 4:33 pm

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IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 6:19 pm

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Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.

Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 7:36 pm

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Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.

Yes that's true, but it did exit UA's fleet in Nov 2005, and then flew for Asia Atlantic Airlines as HS-AAC from July 2013 until Jan 2019. I don't know where it was (stored?) from Nov 2005 when it left UA, until July 2013.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 7:40 pm

Several other movements courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de:

Boeing 767-33A 25534 477 YA-KMR Kam Air delivery 13 May 2019 SAW-KBP ex UR-AAH
Boeing 767-31B 26259 534 D-ABUL Condor ferried 15 May 2019 MAN-FRA after paint into new cs ex EI-CRD
Boeing 767‑319(F) 26912 509 N730WE Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 14-15 May 2019 TLV-SNN-CVG-ROW after freighter conversion ex ZK-NCG
Boeing 767-24Q 28270 629 N767CJ Elan Express ferried / in svc 09/11 May 2019 AMA-YHM-PLS after paint into “Air Drake” cs (Canadian rap-star Drake) ex N767KS
Boeing 767-304(F) 28979 691 B-20AC SF Airlines delivery 13 May 2019 TPE-HAN-SZX after freighter conversion, N-reg canx at HAN ex N661AC
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 7:27 am

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bennett123 wrote:
Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.

Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.


it is a PW bird, might also be a reason why I did not leave earlier. The CF-6 767'S are basically not on the market, at least almost no frames parked around that are below 30 years of age. The PW's are somehow not as beloved as freighters as the CF-6 frames. Kalitta bought 3 or 4 of the ex Transaero 767s, all CF-6 engined, that were parked around for some time since Transaero went bankrupt and are all converted now. Most probably this 767 will not leave Hong Kong in one piece unfortunately.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 9:09 am

Atlas is operating 2 PW-engined 767-300Fs for Amazon (N1511A, N1619A) and one more in the passenger fleet (N662GT). ABX Air operates 3 (N219CY, N220CY, N226CY).
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 10:53 am

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Atlas is operating 2 PW-engined 767-300Fs for Amazon (N1511A, N1619A) and one more in the passenger fleet (N662GT). ABX Air operates 3 (N219CY, N220CY, N226CY).


That is really interesting, I didn't know that. Then I do really wonder why there are quite a few young PW birds at age 20-25 around and still birds like N354AA get converted?
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 11:13 am

NG263 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Atlas is operating 2 PW-engined 767-300Fs for Amazon (N1511A, N1619A) and one more in the passenger fleet (N662GT). ABX Air operates 3 (N219CY, N220CY, N226CY).


That is really interesting, I didn't know that. Then I do really wonder why there are quite a few young PW birds at age 20-25 around and still birds like N354AA get converted?


Because you are right that the GE is more-popular, and these leasing companies want to give the operators what they would prefer.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 11:36 am

NG263 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.

Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.


it is a PW bird, might also be a reason why I did not leave earlier. The CF-6 767'S are basically not on the market, at least almost no frames parked around that are below 30 years of age. The PW's are somehow not as beloved as freighters as the CF-6 frames. Kalitta bought 3 or 4 of the ex Transaero 767s, all CF-6 engined, that were parked around for some time since Transaero went bankrupt and are all converted now. Most probably this 767 will not leave Hong Kong in one piece unfortunately.

Which is strange as I had checked Airfleets.net before typing that and they say it’s a CF6 bird. Perhaps they have an error that needs to get updated? https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25346.htm
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 12:45 pm

Spacepope wrote:
NG263 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.


it is a PW bird, might also be a reason why I did not leave earlier. The CF-6 767'S are basically not on the market, at least almost no frames parked around that are below 30 years of age. The PW's are somehow not as beloved as freighters as the CF-6 frames. Kalitta bought 3 or 4 of the ex Transaero 767s, all CF-6 engined, that were parked around for some time since Transaero went bankrupt and are all converted now. Most probably this 767 will not leave Hong Kong in one piece unfortunately.

Which is strange as I had checked Airfleets.net before typing that and they say it’s a CF6 bird. Perhaps they have an error that needs to get updated? https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25346.htm


Possibly, planespotters.net lists it as PW bird & pictures seem to prove that. It has the thin engine cowlings compared to the bigger ones that the CF-6 has.

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