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TWA302 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
The 44% (rounding up) on DL to CVG really stands out. Would this be a route WN could pick up in the near future? Seems like O&D from STL is NOT very good at all, but with all the WN connections, it could work out well to supplement it. Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.
TWA302 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
The 44% (rounding up) on DL to CVG really stands out. Would this be a route WN could pick up in the near future? Seems like O&D from STL is NOT very good at all, but with all the WN connections, it could work out well to supplement it. Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.
maps4ltd wrote:TWA302 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
The 44% (rounding up) on DL to CVG really stands out. Would this be a route WN could pick up in the near future? Seems like O&D from STL is NOT very good at all, but with all the WN connections, it could work out well to supplement it. Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.
It seems more like a February thing. Look at DL's 47% STL-LGA (on Endeavor). They won't be cutting that anytime soon.
Jshank83 wrote:Dallas Stars plane at STL. 767
Jshank83 wrote:Dallas Stars plane at STL. 767
stl07 wrote:If delta is going to be adding routes like JFK-BOM, I think its time we try and get one of our million LGA flights moved over
STLflyer wrote:Jshank83 wrote:Dallas Stars plane at STL. 767
Are they parked at a gate?
pmanni1 wrote:Beginning in Oct DL is upgrading SLC,DTW and MSP to all mainline. DTW will be 5x daily 717s, SLC 3x daily a319s and MSP a mix of a319, a320 and 717s.
pmanni1 wrote:Beginning in Oct DL is upgrading SLC,DTW and MSP to all mainline. DTW will be 5x daily 717s, SLC 3x daily a319s and MSP a mix of a319, a320 and 717s.
stl07 wrote:pmanni1 wrote:Beginning in Oct DL is upgrading SLC,DTW and MSP to all mainline. DTW will be 5x daily 717s, SLC 3x daily a319s and MSP a mix of a319, a320 and 717s.
WN/SY reaction?
Jshank83 wrote:I had seen that on SLC. Figured it might be WN reaction. We will see if they all stick though. A long way out to change them back.
jplatts wrote:stl07 wrote:pmanni1 wrote:Beginning in Oct DL is upgrading SLC,DTW and MSP to all mainline. DTW will be 5x daily 717s, SLC 3x daily a319s and MSP a mix of a319, a320 and 717s.
WN/SY reaction?Jshank83 wrote:I had seen that on SLC. Figured it might be WN reaction. We will see if they all stick though. A long way out to change them back.
DL could use the A220's on its STL-DTW, STL-MSP, STL-LGA, and STL-SLC nonstop routes once DL gets more A220's.
jplatts wrote:stl07 wrote:pmanni1 wrote:Beginning in Oct DL is upgrading SLC,DTW and MSP to all mainline. DTW will be 5x daily 717s, SLC 3x daily a319s and MSP a mix of a319, a320 and 717s.
WN/SY reaction?Jshank83 wrote:I had seen that on SLC. Figured it might be WN reaction. We will see if they all stick though. A long way out to change them back.
DL could use the A220's on its STL-DTW, STL-MSP, STL-LGA, and STL-SLC nonstop routes once DL gets more A220's.
dcaproducer wrote:jplatts wrote:stl07 wrote:WN/SY reaction?Jshank83 wrote:I had seen that on SLC. Figured it might be WN reaction. We will see if they all stick though. A long way out to change them back.
DL could use the A220's on its STL-DTW, STL-MSP, STL-LGA, and STL-SLC nonstop routes once DL gets more A220's.
I think the DL A220's will eventually make their way to STL. These are all logical.
More DL mainline in the market is a good sign. Hopefully they make some adds like SEA/LAX/BOS/JFK
pmanni1 wrote:BOS seems most likely. I'm surprised DL & B6 have allowed WN to have this route to themselves all these years. Could LAX & SEA support 3 carriers? STL had JFK on DL about 10 years ago but it was dropped. Seems like most airports outside of the eastern US have minimal or no service at all to JFK.
dcaproducer wrote:LAX is a big enough market that I think DL would work and it would give people in STL connection to SkyTeam flights out of LAX. I don't know if I see them jumping on SEA right now and I think they have more important fish to fry there.
TWA302 wrote:Probably take Condor of the running for any potential new International routes.
https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-atlantic-flies-into-dogfight-over-thomas-cook-airline-11715547
stl07 wrote:https://www.facebook.com/viajavolaris/photos/sab%C3%ADas-que-en-st-louis-missouri-est%C3%A1-el-monumento-artificial-m%C3%A1s-alto-de-estados/10157056707197682/
Interesting Volaris facebook post from December. It does note a connection but I'm curious why they are highlighting St. Louis. Do they do that for other cities they don't fly to?
pmanni1 wrote:UA SFO-STL NOV 1.8>1.0[1.8] DEC 1.9>1.0[1.9] JAN 1.9>1.0[1.2] FEB 1.8>1.0[1.0]
Losing the a.m. e175 flight but upgrading evening flight to a319. This leaves STL without an early morning flight to the Bay area. WN's SFO flight isn't until 10:45 am and OAK & SJC are afternoon. Would love to see AS jump in or WN add an earlier flight.
dcaproducer wrote:What else can G4 add at BLV? Do you think they'll wait to see if the airport gets expansion funds before any major expansion?
Jshank83 wrote:dcaproducer wrote:What else can G4 add at BLV? Do you think they'll wait to see if the airport gets expansion funds before any major expansion?
Sarasota and Savannah probably are the most likely IMO. The expansion is putting in customs so after that maybe CUN (assuming G4 makes that one of their destinations).
None that I have a real strong feeling about though. Still interested to see if they bring LAS back or not. I am a little surprised they got rid of it for next winter in the first place.
jplatts wrote:Jshank83 wrote:dcaproducer wrote:What else can G4 add at BLV? Do you think they'll wait to see if the airport gets expansion funds before any major expansion?
Sarasota and Savannah probably are the most likely IMO. The expansion is putting in customs so after that maybe CUN (assuming G4 makes that one of their destinations).
None that I have a real strong feeling about though. Still interested to see if they bring LAS back or not. I am a little surprised they got rid of it for next winter in the first place.
I agree that BLV-SRQ and BLV-SAV are the most likely G4 adds. Other possible adds by G4 out of BLV include BLV-CHS, BLV-GPT, BLV-TYS, and BLV-ORF.
dcaproducer wrote:jplatts wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
Sarasota and Savannah probably are the most likely IMO. The expansion is putting in customs so after that maybe CUN (assuming G4 makes that one of their destinations).
None that I have a real strong feeling about though. Still interested to see if they bring LAS back or not. I am a little surprised they got rid of it for next winter in the first place.
I agree that BLV-SRQ and BLV-SAV are the most likely G4 adds. Other possible adds by G4 out of BLV include BLV-CHS, BLV-GPT, BLV-TYS, and BLV-ORF.
Is space/capacity at BLV what's inhibiting expansion? I haven't seen any updates on them getting the funding to expand BLV and even with expansion, that's a couple of years away from completion.
stl07 wrote:I don't understand BLV at all. They are wasting taxpayer money to expand the airport because it is too small for G4 and needs the capability to be international when all of those problems could be solved by closing BLV and moving the flights to STL
dcaproducer wrote:stl07 wrote:I don't understand BLV at all. They are wasting taxpayer money to expand the airport because it is too small for G4 and needs the capability to be international when all of those problems could be solved by closing BLV and moving the flights to STL
Agreed. BLV was conceived during a time when TWA had a massive hub at STL and there was a lack of gates and capacity. In the 90’s it was not uncommon to wait for a gate and huge lineups heading to the runways.
For BLV to expand and only rely on G4 sounds insane. If G4 pulls out they are back to nothing. Now if NK were to add service as well... but I think they’d go for STL.
Add some ramps at BLV and let passengers board from the tarmac. Much less expensive.
N383SW wrote:dcaproducer wrote:stl07 wrote:I don't understand BLV at all. They are wasting taxpayer money to expand the airport because it is too small for G4 and needs the capability to be international when all of those problems could be solved by closing BLV and moving the flights to STL
Agreed. BLV was conceived during a time when TWA had a massive hub at STL and there was a lack of gates and capacity. In the 90’s it was not uncommon to wait for a gate and huge lineups heading to the runways.
For BLV to expand and only rely on G4 sounds insane. If G4 pulls out they are back to nothing. Now if NK were to add service as well... but I think they’d go for STL.
Add some ramps at BLV and let passengers board from the tarmac. Much less expensive.
Actually G4 is pretty popular and well liked by the locals. It seems that G4 has a little niche at BLV... now as far as the county goes that may be a whole other story lol. I actually used G4 a couple weeks ago and was pretty impressed with them.
dcaproducer wrote:stl07 wrote:I don't understand BLV at all. They are wasting taxpayer money to expand the airport because it is too small for G4 and needs the capability to be international when all of those problems could be solved by closing BLV and moving the flights to STL
Agreed. BLV was conceived during a time when TWA had a massive hub at STL and there was a lack of gates and capacity. In the 90’s it was not uncommon to wait for a gate and huge lineups heading to the runways.
For BLV to expand and only rely on G4 sounds insane. If G4 pulls out they are back to nothing. Now if NK were to add service as well... but I think they’d go for STL.
Add some ramps at BLV and let passengers board from the tarmac. Much less expensive.
stl07 wrote:Totally out there but there is a new airline called Air Bosnia that has been flying to odder destinations from Bosnia. Now, what's an odd destination that has the most amount of Bosnians besides Bosnia itself?
TWA302 wrote:stl07 wrote:Totally out there but there is a new airline called Air Bosnia that has been flying to odder destinations from Bosnia. Now, what's an odd destination that has the most amount of Bosnians besides Bosnia itself?
The STL.... Who knows. Are you talking about FlyBosnia? They'd need a bigger plane that the A319
Jshank83 wrote:International Load Factors for November
Air Canada 64%
Southwest to Cancun 70% (1st month daily service besides March)
Frontier to Cancun 73%
WOW 44% (1st month after WOW announced they were leaving)
February Load % on newer routes
Looking much better
Sun Country Tampa 84%
Sun Country Fort Myers 80%
Frontier Jacksonville 70%
Frontier West Palm Beach 82.5%
Southwest Hartford 83%
pmanni1 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:International Load Factors for November
Air Canada 64%
Southwest to Cancun 70% (1st month daily service besides March)
Frontier to Cancun 73%
WOW 44% (1st month after WOW announced they were leaving)
February Load % on ne hiwer routes
Looking much better
Sun Country Tampa 84%
Sun Country Fort Myers 80%
Frontier Jacksonville 70%
Frontier West Palm Beach 82.5%
Southwest Hartford 83%
A headscratcher for SY to have those load factors to Tampa and Ft Myers in just the 1st or second month of operation and not bring them back again this fall.
