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Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:50 am

Please continue from last year's thread.

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:09 pm

These photos are from 2018, but they offer a way to start the 2019 thread!

Here are some photos of ROC from my Dec. 19 arrival from BWI. Taken with my phone, so not as good.

Tight U-turn over the city to line up with 22.

ImageROC tight-U-turn approach to RWY 22 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

Ramp action seen from the WN 73G I arrived on.

ImageROC ramp action 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

Apparent additional concession built in the West Rotunda. So all West concourse access is restricted to one ramp. I wonder if that access will get tight with time, if traffic keeps growing.

ImageROC additional concession (?) construction West Rotunda 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

Looks like a Rochester-themed fountain under construction by the new central exit escalator to the arrivals / baggage area.

ImageROC arrivals escalator fountain construction 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:46 pm

Tickets booked for the innagural ROC-BOS and innagural BOS-ROC. Fares spiked significantly at the last minute but today I saw them completely slash so I had to take advantage. $80 RT is a steal. I’ll report back with photos
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:50 pm

DCA-ROCguy wrote:
These photos are from 2018, but they offer a way to start the 2019 thread!

Here are some photos of ROC from my Dec. 19 arrival from BWI. Taken with my phone, so not as good.

Tight U-turn over the city to line up with 22.

ImageROC tight-U-turn approach to RWY 22 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

Ramp action seen from the WN 73G I arrived on.

ImageROC ramp action 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

Apparent additional concession built in the West Rotunda. So all West concourse access is restricted to one ramp. I wonder if that access will get tight with time, if traffic keeps growing.

ImageROC additional concession (?) construction West Rotunda 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr

Looks like a Rochester-themed fountain under construction by the new central exit escalator to the arrivals / baggage area.

ImageROC arrivals escalator fountain construction 2018 Dec 19 by jimkruggel, on Flickr



The Diner I believe is called “Flight Deck Diner” and should be opening this month. I must say though, the new bar opening at the B concourse rotunda looks absolutely stunning and it’s not even done yet. Every morning I walked by it for a solid month and it seemed as if no progress was being done then in a matter of a week it’s I’d say 60% complete.

The water fall fountain is supposed to represent high falls and is complete now. Finishing touches on the plumbing happened last week.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:16 pm

Syracuse Airport Authority Executive Director Christina Callahan Leaving for #2 position at LGA.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2019/01/s ... a-job.html
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:46 am

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Syracuse Airport Authority Executive Director Christina Callahan Leaving for #2 position at LGA.

https://www.syracuse.com/news/2019/01/s ... a-job.html

She definitely deserves it after the positive changes at SYR under her tenure. Splitting the airport from the city into an airport authority, two major construction projects and several new carriers added. Hope the next director can keep it going.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:51 pm

Based off of recent rumblings, this is what I’ve heard as far as route development:

AA will end BOS from ROC and SYR this year
B6 will adjust schedule and go double daily BOS (regardless of AA ending or not)
AA in response to ending BOS will add DFW service in the fall from ROC and SYR. Nothing confirmed, but this would make a great deal of sense.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:03 pm

ROCDLFAN wrote:
Based off of recent rumblings, this is what I’ve heard as far as route development:

AA will end BOS from ROC and SYR this year
B6 will adjust schedule and go double daily BOS (regardless of AA ending or not)
AA in response to ending BOS will add DFW service in the fall from ROC and SYR. Nothing confirmed, but this would make a great deal of sense.


Southwest also has a meeting with Syracuse officials sometime in either February or March
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:40 pm

ROCDLFAN wrote:
Based off of recent rumblings, this is what I’ve heard as far as route development:

AA will end BOS from ROC and SYR this year
B6 will adjust schedule and go double daily BOS (regardless of AA ending or not)
AA in response to ending BOS will add DFW service in the fall from ROC and SYR. Nothing confirmed, but this would make a great deal of sense.


We used to have a ROC-DFW on an Eagle CR7 years ago.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:42 pm

United_fan wrote:
ROCDLFAN wrote:
Based off of recent rumblings, this is what I’ve heard as far as route development:

AA will end BOS from ROC and SYR this year
B6 will adjust schedule and go double daily BOS (regardless of AA ending or not)
AA in response to ending BOS will add DFW service in the fall from ROC and SYR. Nothing confirmed, but this would make a great deal of sense.


We used to have a ROC-DFW on an Eagle CR7 years ago.


I am not surprised about AA adding ROC-DFW and SYR-DFW nonstop service since (a) ROC and SYR are two of the largest markets in the U.S. that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to DFW or DAL, (b) DFW is the main hub for AA, and (c) AA is still expanding at DFW.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:45 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
ROCDLFAN wrote:
Based off of recent rumblings, this is what I’ve heard as far as route development:

AA will end BOS from ROC and SYR this year
B6 will adjust schedule and go double daily BOS (regardless of AA ending or not)
AA in response to ending BOS will add DFW service in the fall from ROC and SYR. Nothing confirmed, but this would make a great deal of sense.


Southwest also has a meeting with Syracuse officials sometime in either February or March


Interesting, how do you guys hear about all this stuff?

Also, on a side note, UA mainline SYR-ORD starts tomorrow. Their A319 made the ORD-SYR flight tonight to RON for the morning.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:16 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
ROCDLFAN wrote:
Based off of recent rumblings, this is what I’ve heard as far as route development:

AA will end BOS from ROC and SYR this year
B6 will adjust schedule and go double daily BOS (regardless of AA ending or not)
AA in response to ending BOS will add DFW service in the fall from ROC and SYR. Nothing confirmed, but this would make a great deal of sense.


Southwest also has a meeting with Syracuse officials sometime in either February or March


Interesting, how do you guys hear about all this stuff?

Also, on a side note, UA mainline SYR-ORD starts tomorrow. Their A319 made the ORD-SYR flight tonight to RON for the morning.


Correct, the 737-700 begins sometime in March. I fly in on the A319 on March 7th and fly out on the B737-700 on the 11th .
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:27 pm

BOS-ROC inaugurated today. Flew the ROC-BOS portion and there were a lot of announcements and “thank you’s“ as well as a lot of excitement from the ground crew in ROC, as well as hope this leads to further growth. Just boarded the return to ROC and BOS had balloons as well as JetBlue trivia in the gate house. ROC-BOS portion booked to 89, BOS-ROC 76. Not too bad for the first run. This brings ROC back up to 4 flights per day between BOS and JFK. This will be the wind down for a very busy 24 hours for the B6 ROC team, last night not only did A5 jetbridge stop working (using A7 the alternate today) but MCO-SYR and FLL-SYR both diverted to ROC after midnight thanks to the insane upstate winds.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:13 am

Thank you for the report, ROCDLFAN. Saw one of the flights on FlightAware today. I'd guess two B6 EMB-190's on ROC-BOS will do extremely well, especially if AA drops out. Competition is best, but we'll see what the market supports. Also hope the ROC-DFW comes to fruition. We very much need more flights to hubs west of the Mississippi.

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:04 pm

I was looking at B6 SYR-FLL for some future personal travel plans and noticed it wasn’t a daily like I thought. They don’t fly that route on Wednesdays and Thursdays.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:17 pm

Anybody know anything about this?: https://www.gofundme.com/aviation-historical-society
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:31 pm

From the OAG thread B6 BUF-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:38 pm

jworks158 wrote:
From the OAG thread B6 BUF-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]


what does that mean?
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:58 pm

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
From the OAG thread B6 BUF-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]


what does that mean?



Frequency reduction, for this flight it is not unusual.

Last off season it reduced Oct - May not operating BUF-LAX on Tues, Wed and Saturday and LAX-BUF on WED, THUR and Sunday.
For fall 2018 it operated daily until 12/31 except for 1 or 2 weeks. I also believe in 2018 it didn't go to dailiy until Memorial Day. The reduction is just a seasonal adjustment as most people in the northeast and southern Ontario head south for sun rather than west.

For 2019 however it was announced the BUF-LAX is an afternoon departure with return being the same day eliminating the LAX-BUF red eye.

This I beleive is the 4th year for this flight and did run dailiy for 2 years until the seasonal adjustment took affect.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:23 am

BUFJACK10 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
From the OAG thread B6 BUF-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]


what does that mean?



Frequency reduction, for this flight it is not unusual.

Last off season it reduced Oct - May not operating BUF-LAX on Tues, Wed and Saturday and LAX-BUF on WED, THUR and Sunday.
For fall 2018 it operated daily until 12/31 except for 1 or 2 weeks. I also believe in 2018 it didn't go to dailiy until Memorial Day. The reduction is just a seasonal adjustment as most people in the northeast and southern Ontario head south for sun rather than west.

For 2019 however it was announced the BUF-LAX is an afternoon departure with return being the same day eliminating the LAX-BUF red eye.

This I beleive is the 4th year for this flight and did run dailiy for 2 years until the seasonal adjustment took affect.


ahh yeah, i remember that adjustment last year. I just didnt know what that meant. Thank you for your help!
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:33 am

BUFJACK10 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
From the OAG thread B6 BUF-LAX MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]

.

For 2019 however it was announced the BUF-LAX is an afternoon departure with return being the same day eliminating the LAX-BUF red eye.



Glad to see a daytime return to BUF, that may help load factors a little bit on the LAX-BUF portion. It being a red-eye east bound is the reason I (and probably others) haven’t flown it. I have flown the west bound leg a couple of times. It only being an O&D route doesn’t help them much unless they want to changed airlines, the time it arrives in LAX (9pm PST) probably doesn’t help connections either. If the flight arrived in LAX around noon it would definitely improve their loads as well, it would add opportunities for connecting with Hawaiian airlines or another codeshare partner of theirs.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:03 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
BUFJACK10 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
.

For 2019 however it was announced the BUF-LAX is an afternoon departure with return being the same day eliminating the LAX-BUF red eye.



Glad to see a daytime return to BUF, that may help load factors a little bit on the LAX-BUF portion. It being a red-eye east bound is the reason I (and probably others) haven’t flown it. I have flown the west bound leg a couple of times. It only being an O&D route doesn’t help them much unless they want to changed airlines, the time it arrives in LAX (9pm PST) probably doesn’t help connections either. If the flight arrived in LAX around noon it would definitely improve their loads as well, it would add opportunities for connecting with Hawaiian airlines or another codeshare partner of theirs.

I love B6, but I haven't flown them in almost 10 years, because where I need to fly them the most, DEN, has only been a redeye. Even though they have a daytime flight to BOS, and now connect SYR-BOS, it still always seems to suggest 6 hour layovers or double layovers. B6 just does things in a different way, and it either works for you or it doesn't. Redeye's must be popular enough, because they've been doing it since the start, and they tried a daytime flight DEN-JFK in the past and abandoned it.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:59 pm

cosyr wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
BUFJACK10 wrote:


Glad to see a daytime return to BUF, that may help load factors a little bit on the LAX-BUF portion. It being a red-eye east bound is the reason I (and probably others) haven’t flown it. I have flown the west bound leg a couple of times. It only being an O&D route doesn’t help them much unless they want to changed airlines, the time it arrives in LAX (9pm PST) probably doesn’t help connections either. If the flight arrived in LAX around noon it would definitely improve their loads as well, it would add opportunities for connecting with Hawaiian airlines or another codeshare partner of theirs.

I love B6, but I haven't flown them in almost 10 years, because where I need to fly them the most, DEN, has only been a redeye. Even though they have a daytime flight to BOS, and now connect SYR-BOS, it still always seems to suggest 6 hour layovers or double layovers. B6 just does things in a different way, and it either works for you or it doesn't. Redeye's must be popular enough, because they've been doing it since the start, and they tried a daytime flight DEN-JFK in the past and abandoned it.


I did the daytime DEN-BOS, then flew BOS-SYR. The layover was almost 5.5hrs but it was still better then paying $200 more for a shorter connection.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:07 pm

Did a dummy booking for the daytime BUF-LAX with a continuation to HNL (or any other HA destination) and the connections will open up a cheaper option for people going to Hawaii. The flight BUF-LAX arrives in LAX at 3:55pm with the next flight to Honolulu leaving at 6:10pm. And it’s about $900rt thru LAX versus $1200rt thru JFK also with Hawaiian Airlines. I might even have to try that sometime.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:53 pm

I just saw G4 is add 2x weekly seasonal service Niagara Falls (IAG) to Savannah GA (SAV).

Interesting choice, but happy to see a new destination for WNY.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:39 am

BUFJACK10 wrote:
I just saw G4 is add 2x weekly seasonal service Niagara Falls (IAG) to Savannah GA (SAV).

Interesting choice, but happy to see a new destination for WNY.


Was always curious why g4 chose NF instead of BNIA .... good for IAG and a new service!
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 18, 2019 4:02 am

Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
BUFJACK10 wrote:
I just saw G4 is add 2x weekly seasonal service Niagara Falls (IAG) to Savannah GA (SAV).

Interesting choice, but happy to see a new destination for WNY.


Was always curious why g4 chose NF instead of BNIA .... good for IAG and a new service!


A few years ago the niagara frontier transit authority wanted to make iag relevant and needed to waste some tax dollars so they put in some infrastructure and offered reduced landing fees to attract airlines to use the airport, so now allegiant and spirit have a few flights in there and occasional charters. I believe their ultimate goal was to get an international carrier to fly in tourists for the falls
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:18 pm

dmg626 wrote:
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:
BUFJACK10 wrote:
I just saw G4 is add 2x weekly seasonal service Niagara Falls (IAG) to Savannah GA (SAV).

Interesting choice, but happy to see a new destination for WNY.


Was always curious why g4 chose NF instead of BNIA .... good for IAG and a new service!


A few years ago the niagara frontier transit authority wanted to make iag relevant and needed to waste some tax dollars so they put in some infrastructure and offered reduced landing fees to attract airlines to use the airport, so now allegiant and spirit have a few flights in there and occasional charters. I believe their ultimate goal was to get an international carrier to fly in tourists for the falls


Yeah, that airport being built still makes no sense. I honestly dont know I know single person that has flown out of IAG. Allegiant / Spirit would have been fine at BNIA in Buffalo. BNIA is close to being a good respectable medium size airport surpassing the 5 million passenger mark again.

The NFTA shouldve focused on one airport for all commercial air traffic, instead of spreading it out.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:11 am

https://business.financialpost.com/news ... m-year-ago

Stole this from another thread ...... this could be good for the Buffalo Airport. Canadian airfares are up 28% last month.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:17 pm

Does anyone think it’s possible for upstate NY (most likely BUF) to see nonstop to SLC this year? I know in the past Delta has operated one-off service from SYR-SLC using their Airbus A319. Now that they have the A220 in service (well...almost) it is now possible to reach SLC with a medium sized aircraft.

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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:17 pm

It appears that a sprinkler has burst inside of ROC airport:
The ROC Airport Firefighters Association just tweeted:
Airport Firefighters responding for a burst sprinkler pipe in the #ROC terminal - lower level, west end — at Greater Rochester International Airport (ROC)https://twitter.com/iaff1636/status/1087760096917106688?s=12


I will update as more info becomes available
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:29 pm

I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:46 pm

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I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.


Simply, the expected rate of return on the route does not justify the additional costs associated running the route. Some of those "costs" may be intangible.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:12 pm

timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now


Don't forget that BUF does have a transcon flight to LAX on jetBlue
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:17 pm

jworks158 wrote:
It appears that a sprinkler has burst inside of ROC airport:
The ROC Airport Firefighters Association just tweeted:
Airport Firefighters responding for a burst sprinkler pipe in the #ROC terminal - lower level, west end — at Greater Rochester International Airport (ROC)https://twitter.com/iaff1636/status/1087760096917106688?s=12


I will update as more info becomes available


UPDATE, They are now responding to a second sprinkler pipe burst.https://twitter.com/iaff1636/status/108 ... 55365?s=12
Group 1 members are currently dealing with a second broken sprinkler in the terminal #roc — at Greater Rochester International Airport (ROC)


It will be a shame if the new terminal is damaged.

In other news the last two days there have been two B6 planes on the ground in ROC at the same time. JB286 has been delayed almost 6hrs both days and arrived yesterday right after 485 pushed back. Today it arrived 5 minuted before 586 landed. Do we know what gates jetBlue is using when there are two aircraft on the ground? I know one of the gates they used today was gate 5 which is their normal gate. I am unsure which was the other gate as their app is not loading gate numbers.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:47 am

timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.


Its pretty simple ...... you need the passengers that actually fly daily to the destination. For example: BUF - LA B6 route was added due to the number of passengers daily that would fly to each airport. DFW and a few others were added for the same reason.


If their is a demand, eventually the route will come.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:06 am

jworks158 wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
It appears that a sprinkler has burst inside of ROC airport:
The ROC Airport Firefighters Association just tweeted:
Airport Firefighters responding for a burst sprinkler pipe in the #ROC terminal - lower level, west end — at Greater Rochester International Airport (ROC)https://twitter.com/iaff1636/status/1087760096917106688?s=12


I will update as more info becomes available


UPDATE, They are now responding to a second sprinkler pipe burst.https://twitter.com/iaff1636/status/108 ... 55365?s=12
Group 1 members are currently dealing with a second broken sprinkler in the terminal #roc — at Greater Rochester International Airport (ROC)


It will be a shame if the new terminal is damaged.

In other news the last two days there have been two B6 planes on the ground in ROC at the same time. JB286 has been delayed almost 6hrs both days and arrived yesterday right after 485 pushed back. Today it arrived 5 minuted before 586 landed. Do we know what gates jetBlue is using when there are two aircraft on the ground? I know one of the gates they used today was gate 5 which is their normal gate. I am unsure which was the other gate as their app is not loading gate numbers.


Gate priority is A5 as the primary gate, A7 for the back up gate (they do have a computer system for it so it’s the favorite back up) and A3 for cataclysmic meltdown gate if absolute need be
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:31 pm

timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.

Because, you probably could not consistently fill it. Just for example, some days UA has say 3 flights to ORD with 50-76 seat aircraft. If they were all 76 and they were all full, that would be 228 seats. Even the small mainline planes that suggested seat about 130 seats. Of those 228 pax to ORD, some are actually going to ORD, and the rest are connecting to places all over the US. Some west coast, but probably equal numbers to DEN, DFW, IAH, and everywhere else in the middle of the country east of the Rockies. The only connections that anyone would be willing to make on a west coast hub would be to other west coast cities, most of which are connectable through ORD anyway.

I think a better starting point would be DEN (or possibly DFW or SLC) as new cities from upstate. Those western mid-continent hubs would still open up a number of connections that are not available one-stop from ORD, MSP, or ATL, but would not be so specifically targeted to only people who want to go all the way to the west coast. I feel like one E175 daily to DEN or DFW with good connection times would be a low risk experiment. If UA can make DEN-HSV work, I bet they could make DEN to BUF/ROC/SYR and/or ALB work. I'm guessing they just don't have any potential corporate contracts in the works, so its a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:36 pm

cosyr wrote:
timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.

Because, you probably could not consistently fill it. Just for example, some days UA has say 3 flights to ORD with 50-76 seat aircraft. If they were all 76 and they were all full, that would be 228 seats. Even the small mainline planes that suggested seat about 130 seats. Of those 228 pax to ORD, some are actually going to ORD, and the rest are connecting to places all over the US. Some west coast, but probably equal numbers to DEN, DFW, IAH, and everywhere else in the middle of the country east of the Rockies. The only connections that anyone would be willing to make on a west coast hub would be to other west coast cities, most of which are connectable through ORD anyway.

I think a better starting point would be DEN (or possibly DFW or SLC) as new cities from upstate. Those western mid-continent hubs would still open up a number of connections that are not available one-stop from ORD, MSP, or ATL, but would not be so specifically targeted to only people who want to go all the way to the west coast. I feel like one E175 daily to DEN or DFW with good connection times would be a low risk experiment. If UA can make DEN-HSV work, I bet they could make DEN to BUF/ROC/SYR and/or ALB work. I'm guessing they just don't have any potential corporate contracts in the works, so its a bit of a chicken and egg situation.

Before F9 started seasonal SYR-DEN service, the authorities at SYR and DEN were working with UA on initiation of N/S service. I don't know, however, if that went by the wayside once F9 arrived. Apparently the F9 service has been successful, because I understand it will grow to 4x/wk when it resumes and will now include A321s on occasion.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:15 pm

This morning a de-icer fell out of the cab while treating DL847 ROCATL MD90. Transported away via ambulance but word is he is alright, up, and walking around. Unsure as to how exactly it happened.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:54 pm

cosyr wrote:
timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.

Because, you probably could not consistently fill it. Just for example, some days UA has say 3 flights to ORD with 50-76 seat aircraft. If they were all 76 and they were all full, that would be 228 seats. Even the small mainline planes that suggested seat about 130 seats. Of those 228 pax to ORD, some are actually going to ORD, and the rest are connecting to places all over the US. Some west coast, but probably equal numbers to DEN, DFW, IAH, and everywhere else in the middle of the country east of the Rockies. The only connections that anyone would be willing to make on a west coast hub would be to other west coast cities, most of which are connectable through ORD anyway.

I think a better starting point would be DEN (or possibly DFW or SLC) as new cities from upstate. Those western mid-continent hubs would still open up a number of connections that are not available one-stop from ORD, MSP, or ATL, but would not be so specifically targeted to only people who want to go all the way to the west coast. I feel like one E175 daily to DEN or DFW with good connection times would be a low risk experiment. If UA can make DEN-HSV work, I bet they could make DEN to BUF/ROC/SYR and/or ALB work. I'm guessing they just don't have any potential corporate contracts in the works, so its a bit of a chicken and egg situation.

I suppose because I and several people I know go to the west coast or would, I just got back, I'm over estimating the amount of upstate customers who would make the longer flights profitable. Maybe 30 years ago if they had 737's that had transcontinental capabilities it might have worked? But it sure sounds like airlines have a lot more overhead costs to be profitable, hence the need for planes needing to be filled very near capacity. A trip report is coming.... but from OFR-DEN I flew on an A320 but from DEN-SFO a completely booked 757-300. One would think it would be the other way around. I guess ultimately it's just my wishful thinking that at least from my home airport (ALB) to have non stop flights to the west coast but in reality it's not profitable for them to run them.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:28 pm

timh4000 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.

Because, you probably could not consistently fill it. Just for example, some days UA has say 3 flights to ORD with 50-76 seat aircraft. If they were all 76 and they were all full, that would be 228 seats. Even the small mainline planes that suggested seat about 130 seats. Of those 228 pax to ORD, some are actually going to ORD, and the rest are connecting to places all over the US. Some west coast, but probably equal numbers to DEN, DFW, IAH, and everywhere else in the middle of the country east of the Rockies. The only connections that anyone would be willing to make on a west coast hub would be to other west coast cities, most of which are connectable through ORD anyway.

I think a better starting point would be DEN (or possibly DFW or SLC) as new cities from upstate. Those western mid-continent hubs would still open up a number of connections that are not available one-stop from ORD, MSP, or ATL, but would not be so specifically targeted to only people who want to go all the way to the west coast. I feel like one E175 daily to DEN or DFW with good connection times would be a low risk experiment. If UA can make DEN-HSV work, I bet they could make DEN to BUF/ROC/SYR and/or ALB work. I'm guessing they just don't have any potential corporate contracts in the works, so its a bit of a chicken and egg situation.

I suppose because I and several people I know go to the west coast or would, I just got back, I'm over estimating the amount of upstate customers who would make the longer flights profitable. Maybe 30 years ago if they had 737's that had transcontinental capabilities it might have worked? But it sure sounds like airlines have a lot more overhead costs to be profitable, hence the need for planes needing to be filled very near capacity. A trip report is coming.... but from OFR-DEN I flew on an A320 but from DEN-SFO a completely booked 757-300. One would think it would be the other way around. I guess ultimately it's just my wishful thinking that at least from my home airport (ALB) to have non stop flights to the west coast but in reality it's not profitable for them to run them.


The demand has to be there for airlines to want to have flights to the west coast. BUF - LAX has daily demand for a daily flight ... so b6 after a few years of negotiations finally started the flight. In Buffalo / BNIA, it takes a few years to get a route started. For example BUF - DEN with WN / F9 has started daily flights, the demand is there for it. WN tried is seasonally a couple summers ago and now its daily staring this summer.

The Buffalo / BNIA is an interesting airport that airlines dont know what to think make of it. You have B6, F9, and WN who seems to be all in providing routes that many Canadians utilize all the time. Think Florida destinations, Phoenix, Vegas and etc. They make millions and millions of dollars off those routes.

While you have legacy carriers like United, AA, and Delta who continue to use the hub and spoke model and only fly routes to their hubs like DFW, PHL, DET, and etc. The legacy carriers are less likely to take chance on a new route with direct service. AA did just also add daily DFW but again, that is still an AA hub. AA does has seasonal MIA - BUF. Which is great but that is the biggest risk they have taken with a new route.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:31 pm

TucsonDave wrote:
cosyr wrote:
timh4000 wrote:
I'm left wondering of when or why haven't any of the secondary airports such as Albany Syracuse buffalo Rochester which have planes that can do transcontinental don't. I know for certain 320's can do it because I've flown from JFK to lax in one. The newest 737's can do it now also.

Because, you probably could not consistently fill it. Just for example, some days UA has say 3 flights to ORD with 50-76 seat aircraft. If they were all 76 and they were all full, that would be 228 seats. Even the small mainline planes that suggested seat about 130 seats. Of those 228 pax to ORD, some are actually going to ORD, and the rest are connecting to places all over the US. Some west coast, but probably equal numbers to DEN, DFW, IAH, and everywhere else in the middle of the country east of the Rockies. The only connections that anyone would be willing to make on a west coast hub would be to other west coast cities, most of which are connectable through ORD anyway.

I think a better starting point would be DEN (or possibly DFW or SLC) as new cities from upstate. Those western mid-continent hubs would still open up a number of connections that are not available one-stop from ORD, MSP, or ATL, but would not be so specifically targeted to only people who want to go all the way to the west coast. I feel like one E175 daily to DEN or DFW with good connection times would be a low risk experiment. If UA can make DEN-HSV work, I bet they could make DEN to BUF/ROC/SYR and/or ALB work. I'm guessing they just don't have any potential corporate contracts in the works, so its a bit of a chicken and egg situation.

Before F9 started seasonal SYR-DEN service, the authorities at SYR and DEN were working with UA on initiation of N/S service. I don't know, however, if that went by the wayside once F9 arrived. Apparently the F9 service has been successful, because I understand it will grow to 4x/wk when it resumes and will now include A321s on occasion.


Legacy carriers have a MUCH harder time expanding their route in the upstate NY airports direct routes wise ....... B6, WN, and F9 have taken a sort of leap of faith and have been success and making millions and millions of dollars. Legacy carriers stick to the hub and spoke model ..... and dont really care about direct flights.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:08 am

Exciting news for BTV. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414181

Hopefully this is a sign of other routes to come, competing with F9. The disappointing part, is that they are matching F9's frequency. I hope UA decides to match SYR-DEN (or BUF), but daily. Maybe if UA attempts it, they'll find there was a market there all along.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:09 am

cosyr wrote:
Exciting news for BTV. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414181

Hopefully this is a sign of other routes to come, competing with F9. The disappointing part, is that they are matching F9's frequency. I hope UA decides to match SYR-DEN (or BUF), but daily. Maybe if UA attempts it, they'll find there was a market there all along.


Legacy carriers rarely expand their routed in upstate, NY.

Also United would never try DEN - BUF. F9 and WN have daily flights.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:16 am

cosyr wrote:
Exciting news for BTV. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414181

Hopefully this is a sign of other routes to come, competing with F9. The disappointing part, is that they are matching F9's frequency. I hope UA decides to match SYR-DEN (or BUF), but daily. Maybe if UA attempts it, they'll find there was a market there all along.


As much as I'd like UA to begin SYR-DEN as well the other thread makes a good point about UA possibly just doing this to scare off F9 to protect their hubs and then dropping DEN service themselves shortly after; leaving the airport with no service to DEN at all.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:30 pm

AA updated their May schedule today.

ROC loses mainline (again). A319 frequencies from ROC-CLT and ROC-PHL are gone.

ROC-CLT goes back to 4x CRJ900 (not even the Embraers).
ROC-PHL 4x ERJ-145 and 1x EMB175.

Though DCA gains a EMB175 frequency (3 to 4 total).

BOS and ORD remain unchanged.

Very disappointing.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:12 pm

Roots1 wrote:
AA updated their May schedule today.

ROC loses mainline (again). A319 frequencies from ROC-CLT and ROC-PHL are gone.

ROC-CLT goes back to 4x CRJ900 (not even the Embraers).
ROC-PHL 4x ERJ-145 and 1x EMB175.

Though DCA gains a EMB175 frequency (3 to 4 total).

BOS and ORD remain unchanged.

Very disappointing.


BUF-PHL gains a mainline A319.
BUF-DFW upgaged to a B738.
 
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:26 am

Roots1 wrote:
AA updated their May schedule today.

ROC loses mainline (again). A319 frequencies from ROC-CLT and ROC-PHL are gone.

ROC-CLT goes back to 4x CRJ900 (not even the Embraers).
ROC-PHL 4x ERJ-145 and 1x EMB175.

Though DCA gains a EMB175 frequency (3 to 4 total).

BOS and ORD remain unchanged.

Very disappointing.



I don’t think AA has this finalized. From what I’ve noticed AA never finalizes their ROC schedule until about 60ish days prior. I would be extremely surprised if CLT mainline isn’t adjusted back on there, but even more surprised if the E175’s aren’t flexed back on. From what I understood PSA was cutting down on the upstate flying, that’s why it was shifted to YX. We’ll see.
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Re: Upstate New York Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:20 pm

As others have noted, mid-continent hubs are a better bet for the Upstate New York markets than trying nonstops to the West Coast (beyond the apparently successful B6 BUF-LAX). It seems very strange to me that AA isn't running all four Upstate markets to DFW, for instance.

Not real thrilled that United seems to have gone down to no-mainline in Rochester for the winter. Does traffic really vary that much?

Will be flying to Rochester later this month, and will take updated photos.

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