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Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:48 am

Please continue from last year's thread.

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Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:39 am

In the 2018 delivery thread the last delivery total for Dec 2018 was 6. The Transport Canada export list shows 7 for December http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/C ... 1&xso=desc so which delivery wasn't noted/posted in the thread?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:27 pm

It's MSN 55046 for Swiss that is included in the list but actually is still in YMX. Probably it has officially been handed over to LX and is now registered in Switzerland but simply has not made the flight to Zurich yet.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:47 pm

HBChris wrote:
It's MSN 55046 for Swiss that is included in the list but actually is still in YMX. Probably it has officially been handed over to LX and is now registered in Switzerland but simply has not made the flight to Zurich yet.


So, how many A220 have been delivered (transfer of title) in 2018? Thanks.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:42 pm

VV wrote:
HBChris wrote:
It's MSN 55046 for Swiss that is included in the list but actually is still in YMX. Probably it has officially been handed over to LX and is now registered in Switzerland but simply has not made the flight to Zurich yet.


So, how many A220 have been delivered (transfer of title) in 2018? Thanks.


30-32? But it is not really important.

It seems ramping up to 100 a year is the #1 priority. Investment are being made in Maribel and Mobile. The ambition for 2019 is to at least double 2018 but there are many uncertainties it seems.

Facilities under construction, BBD moving out, keeping / getting skilled labor, strained supply chain to name a few. Challenging.
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:46 pm

According to my back of the napkin math, 31 were delivered in 2018. This is up from 17 in 2017 and 7 in 2016.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:06 pm

Delivered and flown to airline in 2018:
Korean Air 7 CS300
Air Tanzania 1 CS300
Swiss 12 CS300
Air Baltic 7 CS300
Delta 4 CS100
Total: 31

Then there are two more planes that probably have been delivered but are still at YMX. One is the Swiss CS300 mentioned above that has been removed from the Canadian aircraft registry on Dec 27 and registered in Switzerland on Dec 28. The other is the second and last plane for Air Tanzania (MSN 55048) which according to Sylvain Faust has also been formally delivered (see https://twitter.com/sylvainfaust/status ... 6289062913 )

That brings the 2018 total to 33.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:12 pm

Let's settle with 33 deliveries in 2018 (transfer of title). It is not too bad considering the revised target was 34.

Let's see how many the target is for 2019. I hope they will announce a higher target, but realistic.
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:25 pm

Hope to see more orders and deliveries this year !!
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:32 pm

Looks like they pushed really hard at the end of the year to slim down the unfinished production pipeline. I hope January isn't a bust. Somebody said that 3 will be delivered to DL in February so that is good news at least.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:16 pm

HBChris wrote:
It's MSN 55046 for Swiss that is included in the list but actually is still in YMX. Probably it has officially been handed over to LX and is now registered in Switzerland but simply has not made the flight to Zurich yet.


According to the Swiss Aircraft Register the official handover occurred on December 28. My best guess is that airbus wanted official delivery in 2018 to help their 800 aircraft delivery goal.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:16 am

Their deliveries have been back loaded for the 3 years of production, with no deliveries in January 2017 or 2018.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:56 pm

Both 'Moxie' and JetBlue orders are now firm, so 120 more frames to be produced, all of them said to be in Mobile not Mirabel:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarc ... -aircraft/

Seems they are sticking firm to the rule that US deliveries will come from Mobile not Mirabel.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:29 pm

Revelation wrote:
Both 'Moxie' and JetBlue orders are now firm, so 120 more frames to be produced, all of them said to be in Mobile not Mirabel:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisagarc ... -aircraft/

Seems they are sticking firm to the rule that US deliveries will come from Mobile not Mirabel.


The firming of those orders is great news!

I still believe that they will find a way to ferry partially complete airframes to Mobile, and for the first few years at least, those will be the deliveries from Mobile.

What rule? And oh, by the way, where are those people who said Airbus bought the program with the intention to kill it? Whither have they fled? Perhaps to the same place that those who said the dumping lawsuit had merit have gone?
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:33 pm

Was any decision made considering Swiss' remaining 2 CS100 on order?
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:08 pm

United and Spirit can add the A220 too
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:13 pm

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The firming of those orders is great news!
I still believe that they will find a way to ferry partially complete airframes to Mobile, and for the first few years at least, those will be the deliveries from Mobile.

That would make the most sense as this would better utilize the Mirabel's FAL "part 1" (That portion is top notch / pretty well automated).

However Mirabel's FAL "part 2/3" are still missing; instead CRJ's FAL space has been "borrowed" to complete the green aircrafts - which is totally inefficient. That's where the bottle neck occurs and that's where Mobile can help big time.

As you say, hopefully they figured out how to fly Mirabel's green A220s to Mobile (for completion), and that, as early as this coming summer.

SteelChair wrote:
What rule? And oh, by the way, where are those people who said Airbus bought the program with the intention to kill it? Whither have they fled? Perhaps to the same place that those who said the dumping lawsuit had merit have gone?
The mother of all those was Planemaker. He was even pretending BBD would not meet the promised performance, nor be able to certified it.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:42 pm

Perhaps Airbus could use displaced A300 Belugas to ferry A220 fuselage sections and wings to Mobile?

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Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:45 pm

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Perhaps Airbus could use displaced A300 Belugas to ferry A220 fuselage sections and wings to Mobile?

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Good call on the fuselage - but don't the wings already get shipped in from Belfast so they could just change the destination.
 
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:15 pm

StTim wrote:
mullac30 wrote:
Perhaps Airbus could use displaced A300 Belugas to ferry A220 fuselage sections and wings to Mobile?
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Good call on the fuselage - but don't the wings already get shipped in from Belfast so they could just change the destination.

Interesting thought.

But at that point, it would require to complete earlier the full A220 FAL in Mobile, not just that completion centre, as planned for this coming summer.

The priority for now is to expedite/un-jam the completion process; and indeed may as well get that aditionnal completion capacity up and running in Mobile at the earliest. That would still create relevant jobs/expertise (earlier than expected) and keep the ITC and the likes happy until the whole FAL is completed...
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:12 am

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
StTim wrote:
mullac30 wrote:
Perhaps Airbus could use displaced A300 Belugas to ferry A220 fuselage sections and wings to Mobile?
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Good call on the fuselage - but don't the wings already get shipped in from Belfast so they could just change the destination.

Interesting thought.

But at that point, it would require to complete earlier the full A220 FAL in Mobile, not just that completion centre, as planned for this coming summer.

The priority for now is to expedite/un-jam the completion process; and indeed may as well get that aditionnal completion capacity up and running in Mobile at the earliest. That would still create relevant jobs/expertise (earlier than expected) and keep the ITC and the likes happy until the whole FAL is completed...

Seeing as Montreal, Belfast, and Mobile are all port cities, they can send fuselages and wings by cargo ship. There's no need to fly green aircraft, or to use Belugas. Partially complete aircraft, without wings, could leave Montreal for Mobile, and wings could arrive direct to Mobile from Belfast.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:52 am

As early as 1701, Mobile and Montréal had some links already; Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville (born in Fort Ville-Marie, now Montreal, in 1661) built a fort in Mobile. Pierre Le Moyne also founded the french colony of Louisiana.

Mobile would then become the first "capital" of french Louisiana. Mobile stayed under french rule for the next 60 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_ ... 7Iberville (this guy had pretty amazing accomplisments as a soldier/explorer during his short 44 year's life)

French Louisiana was like 30% of present USA
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We're now all looking forward to this "renewed" :mrgreen: era of Montréal - Mobile cooperation ...
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:10 am

aerolimani wrote:
Seeing as Montreal, Belfast, and Mobile are all port cities, they can send fuselages and wings by cargo ship. There's no need to fly green aircraft, or to use Belugas. Partially complete aircraft, without wings, could leave Montreal for Mobile, and wings could arrive direct to Mobile from Belfast.

Mirabel is not quite in Montreal and not sure how you would drive the fuselage from Mirabel to the downtown port of Montreal. but OK.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:40 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
aerolimani wrote:
Seeing as Montreal, Belfast, and Mobile are all port cities, they can send fuselages and wings by cargo ship. There's no need to fly green aircraft, or to use Belugas. Partially complete aircraft, without wings, could leave Montreal for Mobile, and wings could arrive direct to Mobile from Belfast.

Mirabel is not quite in Montreal and not sure how you would drive the fuselage from Mirabel to the downtown port of Montreal. but OK.

Airbus regularly moves massive sections of A380 fuselage, and complete wings, through narrow French village streets. Compared to that, how hard could it be to move a A220 fuselage from Mirabel to the port of Montreal? BBD is already doing it with the wings coming by ship from Belfast.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:44 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Mirabel is not quite in Montreal and not sure how you would drive the fuselage from Mirabel to the downtown port of Montreal. but OK.


Is there any reason they couldn't???
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:06 am

The problem with shipping fuselage barrels and wings to Mobile is that you need a FAL1 in Mobile.

FAL1 in YMX is a very complex building, full of proprietary and patented equipment and processes, not the least of which is an internal positioning system that puts the pieces together in a very, very precise manner. To build this building in Mobile will take some time. Meanwhile, FAL1 at YMX is nowhere near maximum, or even optimum, output.

It makes much more sense, imho, to help speed up completion by adding a second completion center at Mobile while cranking up the output of FAL1 in YMX to economically efficient levels. And that means flying incomplete airplanes from Montreal to Mobile.
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:56 am

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The problem with shipping fuselage barrels and wings to Mobile is that you need a FAL1 in Mobile.

FAL1 in YMX is a very complex building, full of proprietary and patented equipment and processes, not the least of which is an internal positioning system that puts the pieces together in a very, very precise manner. To build this building in Mobile will take some time. Meanwhile, FAL1 at YMX is nowhere near maximum, or even optimum, output.

It makes much more sense, imho, to help speed up completion by adding a second completion center at Mobile while cranking up the output of FAL1 in YMX to economically efficient levels. And that means flying incomplete airplanes from Montreal to Mobile.

I agree with that assessment. Hopefully by end summer production increases.

We really need a production boost before the Paris airshow to keep selling.

However, long term, expect full production in Mobile.

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Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:48 pm

As oposed to a boost, I think we can expect a long, gradual increase.

From 7 deliveries in 2016, to 17 in 2017, to 31-33 in 2018........perhaps 50-55 is a good goal for 2019. A "linear" progression would indicate about 45 but one has to account for Airbus having a positive effect on the program, and also program momentum. Perhaps 70-80 for 2020 and 100ish for 2021?

I believe FAL1 in YMX is optimized for 10/month, 120 a year. They would reach that level around 2021-22 if they maintain the same rate of increase. So, the way I have it figured is that they do completion in Mobile for 2-3 years, and IF sufficent orders come, and IF the A220-500 gets launched in, oh say, 2020-21, then they have a year or two from roght now to decide to build an FAL1 type facility in Mobile. Plan to bring it online by 2023 at the latest?

All just total speculation and MHO.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:07 pm

SteelChair wrote:
As oposed to a boost, I think we can expect a long, gradual increase.

From 7 deliveries in 2016, to 17 in 2017, to 31-33 in 2018........perhaps 50-55 is a good goal for 2019. A "linear" progression would indicate about 45 but one has to account for Airbus having a positive effect on the program, and also program momentum. Perhaps 70-80 for 2020 and 100ish for 2021?

I believe FAL1 in YMX is optimized for 10/month, 120 a year. They would reach that level around 2021-22 if they maintain the same rate of increase. So, the way I have it figured is that they do completion in Mobile for 2-3 years, and IF sufficent orders come, and IF the A220-500 gets launched in, oh say, 2020-21, then they have a year or two from roght now to decide to build an FAL1 type facility in Mobile. Plan to bring it online by 2023 at the latest?

All just total speculation and MHO.


I read that the planning for the FAL in Mobile has already started and that they will break ground this year.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:03 pm

SteelChair wrote:
...perhaps 50-55 is a good goal for 2019. A "linear" progression would indicate about 45 but one has to account for Airbus having a positive effect on the program, and also program momentum. Perhaps 70-80 for 2020 and 100ish for 2021?

I believe FAL1 in YMX is optimized for 10/month, 120 a year. They would reach that level around 2021-22 if they maintain the same rate of increase. So, the way I have it figured is that they do completion in Mobile for 2-3 years, and IF sufficent orders come, and IF the A220-500 gets launched in, oh say, 2020-21, then they have a year or two from roght now to decide to build an FAL1 type facility in Mobile. Plan to bring it online by 2023 at the latest?

I like your speculation and I also have a similar opinion.
I can comfirm that the current FAL1 was indeed made to achieve an optimal production of 120/yr by BBD (with a maximum capacity of 140/yr but that one not being optimal thought). As we all know, the only thing missing is a proper FAL 2/3.

Until then, Mobile will be critical in adding completion capacity, and ensure the ITC don't get too excited - particularly for any US bound BCS3s.

The Mobile FAL might still happen earlier as BBD had a complete set of tools/jigs/robots? (to equip a second FAL-1) in storage somewhere. And detailed plans were already laid out for moving it to Mobile.

Question: are B737-700s still being produced?

Whenever that dinosaure stops being produced, we might then pretend the BCS3 is not competing with any other US made aircrafts...
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:53 pm

StTim wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
As oposed to a boost, I think we can expect a long, gradual increase.

From 7 deliveries in 2016, to 17 in 2017, to 31-33 in 2018........perhaps 50-55 is a good goal for 2019. A "linear" progression would indicate about 45 but one has to account for Airbus having a positive effect on the program, and also program momentum. Perhaps 70-80 for 2020 and 100ish for 2021?

I believe FAL1 in YMX is optimized for 10/month, 120 a year. They would reach that level around 2021-22 if they maintain the same rate of increase. So, the way I have it figured is that they do completion in Mobile for 2-3 years, and IF sufficent orders come, and IF the A220-500 gets launched in, oh say, 2020-21, then they have a year or two from roght now to decide to build an FAL1 type facility in Mobile. Plan to bring it online by 2023 at the latest?

All just total speculation and MHO.


I read that the planning for the FAL in Mobile has already started and that they will break ground this year.


Are you certain that the planning was for FAL1? I read that they were planning but IIRC they didnt specify exactly what they were planning....
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:02 pm

I didn't see this posted; Delta A220 launch is in danger of being delayed due to US Government shutdown.
The Atlanta-based carrier – the first US airline to acquire the A220 – has planned to place the type into revenue service on 31 January with flights from New York LaGuardia airport to Boston and Dallas-Fort Worth.

But the US budgetary standoff – which is about to enter a third week – has shuttered large swaths of the US government.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -l-454800/
 
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https://leehamnews.com/2018/07/11/future-mobile-a220-final-assembly-line-already-pushing-capacity/

and

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-453033/

Both say FAL. Is there something extra when you say FAL1?


Yes, to the best of my knowledge FAL1 is the piece with the internal positioning system and all the high tech proprietary stuff built into the floor/building.

The other FAL buildings (to the best of my knowledge) in YMX aren't as high tech.

I did see a blurb at one point that they would use existing Airbus buildings in Mobile for completion and painting. There is apparently sufficient space to add the A220 to those flows. Using existing buildings would substantially speed up the time by which Mobile could be a positive contributor.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:59 pm

Surely now Airbis effectively own that system and there is nothing to stop them implementing it at Mobile.

I don't know how there can be two Final Assembly processes. If so one obviously isn't Final...
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:28 pm

So on basis Bombardier had done ground work on JetBlue and Moxy order I wonder how much of the deposits they will see on these 120 frames?
 
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So on basis Bombardier had done ground work on JetBlue and Moxy order I wonder how much of the deposits they will see on these 120 frames?


Zero. CSALP will get the deposits.
 
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I don't know how there can be two Final Assembly processes. If so one obviously isn't Final...


Perhaps it will be something like Airbus's process in Europe where final assembly is done Toulouse, France, with the completion and painting done in Hamburg, Germany.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:46 pm

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Surely now Airbis effectively own that system and there is nothing to stop them implementing it at Mobile.

I don't know how there can be two Final Assembly processes. If so one obviously isn't Final...

It is common to have two or even three assembly processes for a type as individual lines are not exact. For example, Airbus Hamburg is testing the latest process (more automated). Or barrel stuffing changes where at first say half then all receive a new subsystem integrated by a vendor.

The final assembly is different for the interior for most airlines (e.g., IFE wiring, how many oxygen masks, and who is the vendor for galleys, seats, IFE, bins, o2 masks, lavatories, and carpet.

Airbus is unlikely to exactly impliment Bombardier's system as it will be cheaper to modify to as much of the Hamberg process as possible.

Bombardier kept ownership of much of the IP. While Airbus has a license, they will have to certify they can produce to drawing/3D model.

Cabin fitting can be done by a MRO to increase production, but if it is 3+ aircraft, the airframe is more efficient, but sometimes it is the airline.

Since final assembly is mostly cabin outfitting, I wonder why Delta, LH, and others weren't recruited to finish their own aircraft? They have the skills if that was the bottleneck.

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StTim wrote:
Surely now Airbis effectively own that system and there is nothing to stop them implementing it at Mobile.

I don't know how there can be two Final Assembly processes. If so one obviously isn't Final...


WRT your first statement, yes, Airbus effectively owns it or has access to it. The issue is the time it would take to build it. Certainly, if Bombardier has the equipment stored for another FAL1, as someone suggested, that would expedite the process, but it would still be slow. (My guess is 18-24 months). And why if FAL1 is not fully up to speed yet? The program needs help with completion (not bolting the big parts together) right now, ASAP, yesterday.

WRT your second comment, yeah, the naming convention Bombardier used is not perfectly descriptive. FAL1 is NOT, in fact, final assembly.....it is putting the big bits together: fuselage barrels, nose, wings, pylons, landing gear. And frankly, from what I have read, Bombardier may have created something "better"than Airbus or Boeing for doing that. Not an insignificant achievement from a comparatively small Canadian company.

Imagine: Airbus provides help with completion and they crank up FAL1 to 7-8 a month by mid year. Imagine: instead of delivering 45 this year, they deliver 80! They've got over a 10 year backlog. They HAVE to step up production. They've been working over 10 years. They effectively bankrupted the Company. Airbus effectively bailed them out They won the ridiculous dumping claim. They have a superior product and a unique size niche. THE TIME IS NOW, THIS IS THE YEAR THEY TURN THE CORNER!
 
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Air Tanzania A220-300 5H-TCI MSN 55048, fourth test flight YMX-YMX

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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:32 pm

I saw in the Delta release for the increased order that they expect to break ground on the Mobile FAL this month.

I think Airbus are taking the A220 very seriously and looking to upgrade capacity accordingly.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:46 pm

StTim wrote:
I saw in the Delta release for the increased order that they expect to break ground on the Mobile FAL this month.

I think Airbus are taking the A220 very seriously and looking to upgrade capacity accordingly.



FYI, in case you haven't seen it (I've been away, so this comments was the first I heard of it) here's the thread on DL's increased order:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1412645

DL has a new order (or firmed option?) for 15 more, and has converted 50 orders from CS1 to CS3. So... now that DL has 50 CS3s on order with a firm deliveray date, that should end any debate above over whether the Mobile FAL ("FAL 1" or maybe "FAL 1 / 3") is to be built IMHO. It's needed to ensure that Boeing's trade complaint stays dead, as the initial ruling left open the possibility that it might be revived in the face is a US order for the CS3).
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:32 pm

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8 Jan 19

Swiss A220-300 HB-JCT MSN 55046, Sixth test flight YMX-YMX, Aircraft also delivered YMX-YYR-ZRH

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jct

Was not delivered. Returned to Mirabel from Goose Bay
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:07 pm

Forgive me for I have not been following the A220 and DL lately. I understand DL has taken delivery of 4 aircraft so far. Are they in revenue service yet?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:42 pm

United787 wrote:
Forgive me for I have not been following the A220 and DL lately. I understand DL has taken delivery of 4 aircraft so far. Are they in revenue service yet?


EIS is scheduled for 1/31/19. There are rumors the government shutdown may delay that, but Delta is rebuking stating things are on schedule.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:25 am

StTim wrote:
I saw in the Delta release for the increased order that they expect to break ground on the Mobile FAL this month.

I think Airbus are taking the A220 very seriously and looking to upgrade capacity accordingly.


That is correct, groundbreaking is next week actually on the 16th. Airbus has also announced they look to fill 400+ positions for the new A220 fal in Mobile.

https://www.al.com//news/2019/01/airbus ... -line.html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:02 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
aerolimani wrote:
Seeing as Montreal, Belfast, and Mobile are all port cities, they can send fuselages and wings by cargo ship. There's no need to fly green aircraft, or to use Belugas. Partially complete aircraft, without wings, could leave Montreal for Mobile, and wings could arrive direct to Mobile from Belfast.

Mirabel is not quite in Montreal and not sure how you would drive the fuselage from Mirabel to the downtown port of Montreal. but OK.


Like they are doing now, maybe? They are not flying in fuselages from Belfast or China. The forward fuselage was/is made in St. Laurent. All the fuselage sections can be transported by truck. Rail is not an option, as it doesn't get to Mirabel.

I bet in the middle of the night you could truck from the port to Mirabel in a hour or so.

Here's a video showing a fuse section on a truck https://youtu.be/OrGrWcCNMoY
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:32 pm

qf789 wrote:
8 Jan 19

Swiss A220-300 HB-JCT MSN 55046, Sixth test flight YMX-YMX, Aircraft also delivered YMX-YYR-ZRH

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jct


Now delivered (Jan 10) YMX-ZRH non-stop as usual https://www.flightradar24.com/SWR5211/1f22ecbe
 
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Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:47 pm

The second and last A220-300 for Air Tanzania was delivered yesterday:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/5HTCI

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