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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:40 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Speaking of F9, and the rumor of an announcement this week---was anything (other than the return of seasonal RDU) added to CLE?


Just the inaugural flight to PUJ. Nothing else that I know of.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:05 am

Frontier Announcement!!!

2x Weekly to Charleston, Thursday and Sunday
3x Weekly to San Francisco, Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday
Year-Round Extension on Sarasota and Punta Cana
Termination of Portland

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... tland.html
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:09 am

^And now, for some reason, the link doesn't work...
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:42 am

Geowizical wrote:
Frontier Announcement!!!
Termination of Portland


AS could add CLE-PDX nonstop service if it adds service to CLE. While AS has dropped some nonstop routes out of PDX, AS still serves ORD, MCI, MSP, and OMA in the Midwest nonstop from PDX on at least a seasonal basis.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:21 am

Geowizical wrote:
^And now, for some reason, the link doesn't work...


They probably broke an embargo. :D It will reappear at the time Frontier told them to publish.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:55 am

Link works fine for me. Excellent, thorough article. F9 more destinations than UA— who would have thought. . .even if most cities aren’t daily. F9 uses a lot of A321s on those routes.

Don’t know if you read the article jplatts but I’d say chances of AS entering CLE PDX are pretty much zero based on F9s experience and quote in the article.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:42 am

Doing a little quick math with the yearly numbers/estimates given towards the end of the article, the lower estimate for # passengers this year comes out to 9,646,645. This will certainly be higher when we get exact numbers for UA, DL, WN, and AA, currently rounded to the millions (just see article).
So the prediction of 9.7 mil was definitely accurate... but the question is if there is any room for growth to 10 mil this year, or if it will slow down,
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:04 pm

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Don’t know if you read the article jplatts but I’d say chances of AS entering CLE PDX are pretty much zero based on F9s experience and quote in the article.


There are some big differences between F9 and AS, including the following:
  • There is a frequent flyer base in Greater Portland that is loyal to AS
  • AS would be able to offer connections to destinations in Alaska, Hawaii, and Oregon from CLE through PDX if it adds CLE-PDX nonstop service
  • F9 is an ULCC whereas AS is a full-service carrier
  • AS's A319s, A320s, 737-700s, 737-800s, 737-900s, and 737-900ERs all have fewer seats than F9's A320 and A321 planes

AS might be able to make CLE-PDX nonstop service work on at least a seasonal basis with (a) planes with fewer seats than F9's A320 and A321 planes, (b) connecting passengers, and (c) connecting opportunities to destinations in Alaska, Hawaii, and Oregon that aren't there on F9.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:49 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong but PDX connecting opportunities on AS for Clevelanders would completely overlap— and therefore cannibalize SEA— which AS would obviously serve preferentially.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:08 pm

Geowizical wrote:
Frontier Announcement!!!

2x Weekly to Charleston, Thursday and Sunday
3x Weekly to San Francisco, Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday
Year-Round Extension on Sarasota and Punta Cana
Termination of Portland

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... tland.html


Also buried in this article are 2018 traffic figures per airline. Note: these don't seem to include charter traffic.

United 2,510,000
Southwest 1,660,000
Delta 1,510,000
American 1,490,000
Frontier 984,064
Spirit 856,962
JetBlue 266,699
Allegiant 226,984
Air Canada 84,076
Wow Air 32,988
Icelandair 24,872
TOTAL 9,646,645
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:12 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong but PDX connecting opportunities on AS for Clevelanders would completely overlap— and therefore cannibalize SEA— which AS would obviously serve preferentially.


AS already serves both SEA and PDX nonstop from ORD and MSP in the Midwest, and AS also has seasonal nonstop service to PDX from MCI and OMA in the Midwest. There are also a few East Coast destinations such as BOS, JFK, EWR, DCA, and MCO that already have nonstop service to both SEA and PDX on AS.

While I agree that AS will serve SEA nonstop from CLE if it adds service to CLE, AS adding CLE-PDX nonstop service is a possibility if there is enough demand for both CLE-SEA and CLE-PDX nonstop service. AS also already offers some connections at PDX from Midwestern and East Coast destinations that have nonstop service to PDX on AS.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:21 pm

CLEguy wrote:
Geowizical wrote:
Frontier Announcement!!!

2x Weekly to Charleston, Thursday and Sunday
3x Weekly to San Francisco, Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday
Year-Round Extension on Sarasota and Punta Cana
Termination of Portland

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... tland.html


Also buried in this article are 2018 traffic figures per airline. Note: these don't seem to include charter traffic.


Yeah, as I noted above, this is a lower estimate because the top four carriers are rounded, not exact...
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:59 pm

UA Ramp tower is officially closed as of Monday (1/14).
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:30 pm

CLEguy wrote:

Also buried in this article are 2018 traffic figures per airline. Note: these don't seem to include charter traffic.

United 2,510,000
Southwest 1,660,000
Delta 1,510,000
American 1,490,000
Frontier 984,064
Spirit 856,962
JetBlue 266,699
Allegiant 226,984
Air Canada 84,076
Wow Air 32,988
Icelandair 24,872
TOTAL 9,646,645


For 2019, with the BOS shift, we'll see DL move up and UA down, but not significantly in 2019. We should also see the FI/WW consolidated #'s.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:35 pm

Also, if F9 really increases pax loads by 35% (as quoted in the article), AA could be close to slipping to a lowly (for a major legacy carrier) #5 unless they add some capacity....(a AA/BA to LHR would do...)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Interesting that F9 so much more successful in CLE than PIT. SAN got cut to PIT and IND, but still kicking for CLE, through summer. F9 practically nothing in PIT.

I don’t see F9 advertise much so they can’t be why, I’ll attribute it to first mover advantage after UA shut the hub. WN didn’t make much of a move when that happened.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:48 pm

Another Annoucement!!!
Allegiant adds:

2x Weekly to Charleston
2x Weekly to Norfolk

Both interesting adds in different senses; Charleston route now has direct competition from F9 added just yesterday, and Norfolk is curerntly unserved, but must have some demand in order for the route to be added. No word yet from Cleveland.com, but here is the USA Today article outlining the 16 new Allegiant routes around the country: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 576112002/
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:07 pm

 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:30 pm

Interesting. Is there enough demand for 4x weekly on CLE-CHS? Happy to see ORF back on the Cleveland map.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:07 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Interesting. Is there enough demand for 4x weekly on CLE-CHS? Happy to see ORF back on the Cleveland map.

2 carriers to CHS. Who will cry uncle first?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:21 pm

^Technically we have 3 to CHS (if I'm not mistaken), so I predict UA might be the one, especially since they're only running one-a-week saturday service on an ERJ145 vs twice-weekly F9/Allegiant with A320-series
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:55 pm

Good article by Susan Glaser on the final year-end numbers. 9.64 million total pax, up 5.5% YOY. One interesting stat that stuck out to me was that 91% of the region's travelers flew out of CLE, versus 79% five years ago:

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... years.html
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:26 pm

^ Kennedy predicts >10 million for 2019. His early-year prediction for 2018 (9.7 million) was very close. Interesting that Kansas City, CLE's largest unserved market, remains an elusive target. Logically WN is the airline to do it; but, year after year, they don't.

Breaking 10 million shouldn't be too hard if the economy holds up; there's strong evidence that Cleveland (at the regional level) actually grew last year.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:30 pm

91% is probably simply CLE's market share relative to CAK and Youngstown. It'd be too hard to figure out how many in the region are served by PIT/CMH/DTW/YYZ and points beyond. For those who say CLE serves 5MM people, including Erie PA, it would be hard to determine CLE's % of the region's traffic. Regardless, I have no doubt CLE's share has gone way up, and that's the main point.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:17 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Interesting that Kansas City, CLE's largest unserved market, remains an elusive target. Logically WN is the airline to do it; but, year after year, they don't.


While WN has limited room to further expand at MCI until the new terminal gets built at MCI, WN probably does have enough room at MCI to add MCI-CLE nonstop service since WN has cut back on MCI-BOS, MCI-MDW, MCI-DAL, and MCI-OAK nonstop service.

The lack of nonstop service to DAL and HOU out of CLE are also two other big holes at CLE, and WN could also add CLE-DAL and CLE-HOU nonstop service. There are more passengers connecting to DAL from CLE than was the case in the past.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:22 am

Air traffic controllers passed out leaflets to passengers at CLE today in an effort to end the shutdown:

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... tdown.html
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:10 pm

Did Frontier drop CLE-SAT?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:23 am

^I didn't hear anything like that and its still fully bookable on their website.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:53 am

^Okay, thanks... somehowI couldn't find it, and it was also removed from the list of Frontier destinations for some reason as well (on Wikipedia, of course)
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:43 am

masseybrown wrote:
^ Kennedy predicts >10 million for 2019. His early-year prediction for 2018 (9.7 million) was very close. Interesting that Kansas City, CLE's largest unserved market, remains an elusive target. Logically WN is the airline to do it; but, year after year, they don't...


I'd love to see DL do this route (sorry, jplatts!) and they would do very well on it.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:52 am

greenair727 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
^ Kennedy predicts >10 million for 2019. His early-year prediction for 2018 (9.7 million) was very close. Interesting that Kansas City, CLE's largest unserved market, remains an elusive target. Logically WN is the airline to do it; but, year after year, they don't...


I'd love to see DL do this route (sorry, jplatts!) and they would do very well on it.


It’s mostly cause of the current MCI airport. Once they get the new one I would expect them to add it if they haven’t yet. They have been drawing back connections there and there isn’t enough O&D to make the route work on just that. If they could flow connections thru it, like most airports, then they would be able to add it easier.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:55 am

greenair727 wrote:
^I didn't hear anything like that and its still fully bookable on their website.

What dates are you looking at, it’s not available nonstop from what I can see.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:08 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
^ Kennedy predicts >10 million for 2019. His early-year prediction for 2018 (9.7 million) was very close. Interesting that Kansas City, CLE's largest unserved market, remains an elusive target. Logically WN is the airline to do it; but, year after year, they don't...


I'd love to see DL do this route (sorry, jplatts!) and they would do very well on it.


It’s mostly cause of the current MCI airport. Once they get the new one I would expect them to add it if they haven’t yet. They have been drawing back connections there and there isn’t enough O&D to make the route work on just that. If they could flow connections thru it, like most airports, then they would be able to add it easier.


Not enough O&D? There's probably more to MCI than to RDU or BDL, yet DL operates it. Not sure when UA dropped CLE-MCI, but probably in 2014. Looking at 2013Q3, there were 197 O&D pax both ways, so 99 each way between CLE and MCI each day. Since 2013Q3, the economies of both cities have grown, so that number would be larger.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:28 pm

I couldn't find SAT either on F9, at least not this summer. On the other hand, F9 is flying A321's this summer to AUS 3x per week, not far off the number of seats UA flew when the route was daily. It's interesting how F9 drops some routes very quietly, but others, PDX, they specifically mention in a presser.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:37 pm

cvgComair wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
^I didn't hear anything like that and its still fully bookable on their website.

What dates are you looking at, it’s not available nonstop from what I can see.


ah. sorry. I didn't realize it wasn't non-stop. In the old days, i think, if F9 showed it, it was a direct route without a connection somewhere. So i just saw CLE and SAT with dates and made the wrong conclusion. Sorry about that!
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:21 pm

Buried in the CLE traffic report is air cargo. Up 9.32% YoY for November and up almost 5% year to date. The gains have been growing bigger each month as the year has moved along, reflecting the bouyancy in the overall Cleveland economy. You'd never know it from reading cleveland.com; but the local economy is pretty awesome at the moment.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:18 pm

Wouldn't it be wonderful if CLE could be rebuilt like one of these proposals for ORD?

https://voteord21.flychicago.com/vision ... fault.aspx
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:07 pm

UA SBN to CLE---is this a diversion?: https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-t ... =987402273
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:25 pm

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UA SBN to CLE---is this a diversion?: https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-t ... =987402273

Looks like a ferry flight, yesterday tha flight number was used to fly an ERJ from ORD to IAH (hanger to hanger) and today the plane has gone from MLI-SBN-CLE similarly not using gates...
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:56 am

Just curious, how are things at CLE and BKL tonight with the snowstorm? FAA site showing "normal" operations for CLE and every major airport in the country except ORD. But I'm not sure how accurate the FAA site is.... Flightaware showing a LJ45 headed to Burke from PSP to arrive at 0102 tonight.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:15 am

greenair727 wrote:
Just curious, how are things at CLE and BKL tonight with the snowstorm? FAA site showing "normal" operations for CLE and every major airport in the country except ORD. But I'm not sure how accurate the FAA site is.... Flightaware showing a LJ45 headed to Burke from PSP to arrive at 0102 tonight.

Just an informal check, but AA has cancelled most of their inbounds from DFW/ORD/MIA/PHL so a pretty light night... Delta has some RONs inbound but MSP & DTW are on 13 hour delays.. UAL has a pretty light schedule, everything seems to be in except for the IAD cancellations...
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:55 pm

HPAEAA wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
Just curious, how are things at CLE and BKL tonight with the snowstorm? FAA site showing "normal" operations for CLE and every major airport in the country except ORD. But I'm not sure how accurate the FAA site is.... Flightaware showing a LJ45 headed to Burke from PSP to arrive at 0102 tonight.

Just an informal check, but AA has cancelled most of their inbounds from DFW/ORD/MIA/PHL so a pretty light night... Delta has some RONs inbound but MSP & DTW are on 13 hour delays.. UAL has a pretty light schedule, everything seems to be in except for the IAD cancellations...


CLE had numerous flight cancellations, delays and diversions today, but airside the airport was functioning pretty well today (despite mountains of snow!).

Landside, there was some excitement. A sprinkler pipe burst early this afternoon right next to AA's ticket counter, causing the fire alarm to go off (and stay on for a very long time) and flooding the north end of the ticketing level. AA covered all their computers and kiosks with plastic (wonder if all airlines have these at the ready) and moved check-in and baggage handling to the charter counters next door. Water also went into the bag make-up area downstairs, causing it to shut down and and staff from all airlines in the northern end of the terminal to have to wheel cartloads of checked luggage to the area between jetBlue and Southwest where it was loaded on the conveyor belts to be screened by TSA and then carted off to the departing planes. TSA also did not have enough staff (not sure if it was weather related or a case of the "blue flu," causing them to close the North checkpoint.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:32 pm

Looks like PIT just edged out CLE in 2018 by about 12,000 passengers (9,658,897 vs. 9,646,645), although we haven't seen the exact total for CLE. It seems the deciding factor will be the more extensive (and year-round transatlantic) international service at PIT.

https://blueskypit.com/2019/01/18/9-6-m ... advantage/
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:41 am

1) it seems like CLE is gaining more capacity than PIT for 2019. Both airports lose WOW but PIT for a whole year. BA kind of replaces DL in PIT. It looks like UA is going 4x mainline to DEN this summer and 8 of 9 to ORD (I only checked one day though), both increases over last summer. Plus previously announced 3x to LAX. One oddity is that PIT has more seats to EWR than CLE most of the year. F9 seems solidly entrenched and growing in CLE, mostly on A321s. Both airports fairly stagnant with WN. Airports will continue to be neck and neck but CLE has had some more adds lately best I can tell. Unless of course VIa Air puts PIT over the top. . . (Sarcasm intended).
2) Maybe the facility issues tonight will be a wake up call. But I doubt it! Wonder if the 2016 RNC work addressed plumbing/sprinklers/electrical in the departure level. Good thing it’s no longer carpet!
3) anyone have any off site parking shuttle experience in 2019? With the $4 per drop off tax there’s an economic disincentive for the operators to run as frequently.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:03 am

ncflyer wrote:
3) anyone have any off site parking shuttle experience in 2019? With the $4 per drop off tax there’s an economic disincentive for the operators to run as frequently.


I've used Park'N'Fly twice so far this year. Times were reserved through the web or their app. The shuttle was there ready to bring us back both times. The second time, we waited about 2 minutes for someone else to get picked up before we left, but that is more than reasonable. So far, so good.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:39 pm

United cancelled its 4051 CLE-BOS flight at 430 blaming "air traffic control conditions at the airport." Yet no other flight departing Hopkins is cancelled. Is this UA just being dishonest and blaming ATC when in fact they want to use use the plane for something else?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:44 pm

response to 96#. air trafffic control in Boston area. Massive problems
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:54 pm

^Thanks. I read "CLE" for "airport" when they could have been clearer and said BOS or destination airport. It shows how little trust there is for UA in Cleveland.....
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:47 am

Is B Security at Hopkins open 24 hrs? Each time I check CLE's website page on 'checkpoint wait times' during late hours, its says "CLOSED" for A and C, but for B, I've never seen it show 'closed' but it says "Less than 10 min" and "Pre Check only." Does this mean 24 hr access but for pre-check only, or when A and C are closed its NOT pre-check only but they don't both to fix the website?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:01 am

greenair727 wrote:
Is B Security at Hopkins open 24 hrs? Each time I check CLE's website page on 'checkpoint wait times' during late hours, its says "CLOSED" for A and C, but for B, I've never seen it show 'closed' but it says "Less than 10 min" and "Pre Check only." Does this mean 24 hr access but for pre-check only, or when A and C are closed its NOT pre-check only but they don't both to fix the website?

Dunno if this is everyday but I flew out tonight on a heavily delayed flight and the TSA agent told me B checkpoint was supposed to remain open to passengers untill about 10:30 pm, I suspect after the last departure it gets shut down...

Honestly, I think the arraignment is great, I’ve been stuck at CLT at odd hours and apparently TSA does shut down all the checkpoints even if they still have active flights.
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