SgtBarone
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:40 pm

greenair727 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
It’s really a wonder to me why CLE doesn’t use every single communication to the public to remind them that a master facility plan is coming. I’m really glad they are doing it (finally!) with this news item— it should have been done in every single release about the $4 fee. The time to get public support behind an improved terminal is now.


Why do you place so much emphasis on the master plan? 1. It is required by FAA to complete---it doesn't mean the city will do ANYTHING in the plan except have it. Look how much has been done from the last master plan. 2. If its done in 2021-2022, that means implementation is 2022-2032 or so---but again NOTHING has to be done. So the master plan is meaningless for the current situation. If the city wanted to fix the issue, they could do so today; if they were genuine about the master plan, that means they would address the problem in 2024or 2025 which is wait too long to fix a very simple issue that very airport in the country has already done.

The last master plan was almost entirely based on CLE being a UA hub. Why would you expect anything from it to be implemented? It’s practically worthless now, and became worthless almost immediately after it was released when UA pulled the plug. A new plan, which will be geared toward CLE’s new emphasis on O&D traffic, can give the city proper guidance on what exactly needs to be built/fixed.
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ncflyer
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:57 pm

Right on SgtBarone. The time to think big is with the upcoming master facility plan. And the time to let the public know what’s coming is today and tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day and so forth.

With hindsight, with the loss of the hub, it’s perhaps a bit of good luck that the last plan was incremental.

Judging by yesterday’s article on cleveland.com and a new one today on Crain’s the airport is catching on to the need for setting the public’s expectation, so I’m encouraged. The master plan is finally getting little tickler mentions in the articles.
 
ncflyer
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:02 pm

Behind a paywall but here’s the Crains article.
https://www.crainscleveland.com/governm ... rop-policy

What stands out is that evidently Jackson Made the call and city council members are upset they weren’t informed until they read about it on cleveland.com.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:26 pm

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/02 ... uncil.html

New PD article much more informative. Sounds like the shuttles— including offsite parking and hotels— will soon be dropping off at the terminal again until a ground transportation center is built. As you’ll see in the article, the all powerful CLeveland Clinic has spoken.
 
Robert1010
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:18 pm

Looks like G4 just announced CLE-BNA !
 
corn4ahead
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:28 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
Looks like G4 just announced CLE-BNA !


Meh, a new city would be nice. But an add is an add I guess.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:35 pm

Cleveland.com article: https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... ville.html

Nice to have another option to a city served by a single airline
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SgtBarone
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:56 pm

Nice seasonal add. Part of a 19 route announcement from this morning.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:35 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Because every time the airport misses a chance to communicate to the citizens of NEO that Hopkins is in desperate need of a major overhaul (not another incremental project like the RNC project or a $3mm ground transportation center) to solve its myriad facility problems it is a lost opportunity. The last master facility plan only had design enhancements for the UA hub, and much/most of it was never implemented. IF I thought a KSU school of architecture design competition would get that discussion going amongst the community I’d be all for that too, but right now the master facility plan seems to be the best hope. Whatever it takes. Enough with the tweaks. Best I could tell from reading it, MCI used their master facility plan to accomplish what CLE needs to do— set the groundwork for change— which they are about to accomplish


Somewhere in the great hereafter, the late Joe Morbito who established Kent State University's School of Architecture probably agrees whole heartedly with your proposal. If there are enough like-minded airport advocates like you ncflyer, critical mass will be reached and a major overhaul of Cleveland Hopkins can go forward. As for Joseph F. Mobito, outside of his classroom at Taylor Hall he was not an Eero Saarinen. His crowning achievement was a Sparkle Market located near the university.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:28 am

Anyone know about the AC Rogue 763 that came from ROC?
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:39 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
Anyone know about the AC Rogue 763 that came from ROC?


Did it actually land here? No record of it landing in ROC or departing CLE and it sure ain't on the ground here anywhere. Flightaware glitch? Maybe it picked up a reroute around weather?
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Robert1010
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:55 pm

swacle wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
Anyone know about the AC Rogue 763 that came from ROC?


Did it actually land here? No record of it landing in ROC or departing CLE and it sure ain't on the ground here anywhere. Flightaware glitch? Maybe it picked up a reroute around weather?

Probably right , was just going by this !



https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ROU ... /KROC/KCLE
 
swacle
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:03 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
swacle wrote:
Robert1010 wrote:
Anyone know about the AC Rogue 763 that came from ROC?


Did it actually land here? No record of it landing in ROC or departing CLE and it sure ain't on the ground here anywhere. Flightaware glitch? Maybe it picked up a reroute around weather?

Probably right , was just going by this !



https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ROU ... /KROC/KCLE


I saw that too, didnt see a departure so I was hoping it was still sitting on A but no luck.
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:02 am

I heard Allegiant is resuming several routes to/from CLE that were suspended due to aircraft shortages, likely caused by the retirement of their MD-80s. Returning this week are JAX and SAV. Later this month PGD, PIE, SFB return.

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