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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:26 pm

Flew out of CLE on 1/18 for a 6:30am flight and had about a 30 minute TSA wait first thing in the morning. They did have a explosive-sniffing dog screening people, as well a lesser-check through security (no shoes or coats off).

Came back in last night around 4:30pm and airport was very busy. TSA line was minimal, though. Not even 5 minutes when we walked past security on the way out to baggage claim.
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:40 pm

Panini's has returned to CLE and is now open in the former Winner's spot on Concourse A.
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:19 am

greenair727 wrote:
Is B Security at Hopkins open 24 hrs? Each time I check CLE's website page on 'checkpoint wait times' during late hours, its says "CLOSED" for A and C, but for B, I've never seen it show 'closed' but it says "Less than 10 min" and "Pre Check only." Does this mean 24 hr access but for pre-check only, or when A and C are closed its NOT pre-check only but they don't both to fix the website?


It was my understanding that Central checkpoint is open 24 hours, but it is not Pre-Check past 8:00 p.m. From the CLE website:

Checkpoint hours:
North Checkpoint: 4:15AM to 8:00PM
Central Checkpoint (TSA Pre-Check Only*): 4:00AM to 8:00PM
South Checkpoint: Sun-Fri 4:00AM to 8:00PM / Sat 3:30AM to 7:15PM

*Central Checkpoint is only TSA Pre-Check from 4:00AM to 8:00PM when it becomes a general screening checkpoint.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:59 am

SgtBarone wrote:
Panini's has returned to CLE and is now open in the former Winner's spot on Concourse A.

Does anyone know if it’s the same owners as Before?
1.4mm and counting...
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:05 pm

CLE has handled over a dozen diversions this morning from DTW due to snow and ice:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1413713
https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... ght-status
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:10 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
CLE has handled over a dozen diversions this morning from DTW due to snow and ice:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1413713
https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... ght-status


The majority of the diversions actually came in around 9pm last night.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:35 pm

corn4ahead wrote:
SgtBarone wrote:
CLE has handled over a dozen diversions this morning from DTW due to snow and ice:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1413713
https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... ght-status


The majority of the diversions actually came in around 9pm last night.


Thanks for the clarification.
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:01 pm

corn4ahead wrote:
SgtBarone wrote:
CLE has handled over a dozen diversions this morning from DTW due to snow and ice:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtop ... &t=1413713
https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... ght-status


The majority of the diversions actually came in around 9pm last night.


I didn't track last night, but in terms of departures 20 flights left CLE for DTW/YIP between ~10:30AM and 2:30PM today. Must have been a big morning for CLE food vendors.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:39 pm

masseybrown wrote:
corn4ahead wrote:
SgtBarone wrote:
CLE has handled over a dozen diversions this morning from DTW due to snow and ice:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtop ... &t=1413713
https://www.clevelandairport.com/flight ... ght-status


The majority of the diversions actually came in around 9pm last night.


I didn't track last night, but in terms of departures 20 flights left CLE for DTW/YIP between ~10:30AM and 2:30PM today. Must have been a big morning for CLE food vendors.


Including 2 on UA, 2 on NK, and 1 on WN.

https://flightaware.com/live/findflight ... nation=DTW
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:43 pm

A mechanical issue prompted UA 4269 DAY-EWR to land at CLE this morning:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... al-airport
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:23 pm

CLE issued final traffic numbers for 2018. Total: 9.643 million pax, up 5.5% International: 225.2K, up 27.8%. Cargo: 86.1K tons, up 4.8%

All in all, a nice year.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:54 pm

Looks like 16% of flights departing CLE (26) are canceled (probably due to weather). Not many delays, however. Looks like Southwest just about shutdown at CLE.

https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:52 pm

Just curious, is there a bottom limit to where de-icing fluid is effective? Is the weather-source of delays today, especially at ORD and MDW, ice issues on the airfield?
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:29 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Just curious, is there a bottom limit to where de-icing fluid is effective? Is the weather-source of delays today, especially at ORD and MDW, ice issues on the airfield?


From the FAA Manual: Lowest usable outside air temperatures are in the range down to -25 ºC. Type-III fluid may have a different lowest usable outside air
temperature. The application limit may be lower, provided a 7°C buffer is maintained between the freezing point of the neat fluid and outside air temperature.
In no case shall this temperature be lower than the lowest operational use temperature as defined by the aerodynamic acceptance test.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviatio ... y/deicing/

Minus 25C (minus 13F) seems like the practical limit for large scale operations.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:22 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Just curious, is there a bottom limit to where de-icing fluid is effective? Is the weather-source of delays today, especially at ORD and MDW, ice issues on the airfield?


I believe the main limitation today is human and non-aviation related equipment. It is just plain dangerous to be outside fueling, loading baggage, doing maintenance on aircraft, etc. plus tugs, baggage carts, etc. don't work so well in these temperatures.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:52 pm

CLEguy wrote:
I believe the main limitation today is human and non-aviation related equipment. It is just plain dangerous to be outside fueling, loading baggage, doing maintenance on aircraft, etc. plus tugs, baggage carts, etc. don't work so well in these temperatures.


That's why I'm surprised there weren't more cancellations. (other than Southwest)
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:52 pm

Crain's article on CLE's year-end stats:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/transpo ... nd-hopkins
AGP ATL BCN BNA BOS CLE CLT DCA DEN FLG FLL FRA IAD IAH JAX LAX LGB MAD MCI MDW MKE MUC PHX RDU RSW SEA SJU SLC SNA TPA
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:01 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
Crain's article on CLE's year-end stats:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/transpo ... nd-hopkins


CLE is larger than CMH and CVG. I would have thought bigger than CMH, but not CVG. DL's departure was tougher on CVG vs. UA's at CLE.

According to Crains, CLE is at 9,642,729 and according to wiki, PIT is at 9,658,897 so that's a lot closer than I thought.

Kennedy predicts 10.1m in 2019.
 
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:48 pm

fun2fly wrote:
SgtBarone wrote:
Crain's article on CLE's year-end stats:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/transpo ... nd-hopkins


CLE is larger than CMH and CVG. I would have thought bigger than CMH, but not CVG. DL's departure was tougher on CVG vs. UA's at CLE.

According to Crains, CLE is at 9,642,729 and according to wiki, PIT is at 9,658,897 so that's a lot closer than I thought.

Kennedy predicts 10.1m in 2019.


Here's the official press release from CLE, although it really does not add much.

https://www.clevelandairport.com/cle-pa ... tinue-soar
 
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:06 pm

Just saw a National Airlines 744 land at CLE. Looks like it diverted from LCK.
"Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours"
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:19 pm

From Enilria's weekly OAG post ...

WN ATL-CLE AUG 0.3>1.8[1.8] SEP 0>1.8[1.7]
WN CLE-DEN AUG 0.3>1.7[1.0] SEP 0>1.7[1.0]
WN CLE-LAS AUG 0.0>0.3[1.0] SEP 0>0.3[1.0]
WN CLE-MKE AUG 0.2>1.5[1.8] SEP 0>1.6[1.7]
WN CLE-STL AUG 0.5>3[1.9] SEP 0>3[1.8]

Viewed this way, it looks like WN loves CLE. It all depends on your timeline. :smile:
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:09 pm

^Good to hear. Other than just being a schedule extension, is it any increase in service? That is, are these frequencies any different from the preceding few months of June and July?
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:22 pm

masseybrown wrote:
From Enilria's weekly OAG post ...

WN ATL-CLE AUG 0.3>1.8[1.8] SEP 0>1.8[1.7]
WN CLE-DEN AUG 0.3>1.7[1.0] SEP 0>1.7[1.0]
WN CLE-LAS AUG 0.0>0.3[1.0] SEP 0>0.3[1.0]
WN CLE-MKE AUG 0.2>1.5[1.8] SEP 0>1.6[1.7]
WN CLE-STL AUG 0.5>3[1.9] SEP 0>3[1.8]

Viewed this way, it looks like WN loves CLE. It all depends on your timeline. :smile:
It does? ATL stays pretty much the same, DEN gains what LAS loses and MKE is down slightly. Only STL looks like a legit gain.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:23 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^Good to hear. Other than just being a schedule extension, is it any increase in service? That is, are these frequencies any different from the preceding few months of June and July?
What is in the brackets is what was flown at the same time last year.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:39 pm

^Thanks. I didn't catch that before! Agreed---good increase on STL.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:51 pm

Given the case that MDW has been cut— now four flights in winter and five in summer— I think it’s more the situation that WN is routing connecting traffic over STL rather than MDW, in much the same way they seem to be replacing LAS with DEN. I can’t remember WNs peak to Midway but I believe it was 7 or 8 daily flights.

Columbus now has one more frequency to Chicago than Cleveland does which is a little surprising.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:56 pm

goCOgo wrote:
Just saw a National Airlines 744 land at CLE. Looks like it diverted from LCK.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... ateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_jac ... ed-public/
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:11 pm

Interesting that Southwest is reducing its Vegas service. Giving into the ULCC on the route?
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:17 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
Crain's article on CLE's year-end stats:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/transpo ... nd-hopkins

Think the key line in this article is “ the 94 yr old airport “ jeez smh ! Can we please move on from this facility???
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:22 pm

greenair727 wrote:
^Good to hear. Other than just being a schedule extension, is it any increase in service? That is, are these frequencies any different from the preceding few months of June and July?


No, it *looks* impressive, but nothing happened - that we didn't already know about.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:32 pm

chrisjake wrote:
goCOgo wrote:
Just saw a National Airlines 744 land at CLE. Looks like it diverted from LCK.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... ateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_jac ... ed-public/


Beautiful jet especially with the snow background!!
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:49 pm

Robert1010 wrote:
SgtBarone wrote:
Crain's article on CLE's year-end stats:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/transpo ... nd-hopkins

Think the key line in this article is “ the 94 yr old airport “ jeez smh ! Can we please move on from this facility???


Let's hope the new master plan for CLE, due out in 2021, makes just that case. No more band-aids or cosmetic improvements, but a fundamental rethinking and rebuilding of the entire terminal complex is needed!
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:39 am

Right on CLEguy. For those who pay real close attention to Cleveland civic affairs the Greater Cleveland Partnership just released its strategic priorities and not a word about air service or the dated airport. Very disappointing. if the shuttle situation, the broken escalator for months, the international arrivals situation isn’t a call to action I don’t know what is.

Then again this is the same organization that flushed money down the toilet with the fruitless “United for the Hub campaign”. I say fruitless because the hub closure was an inevitable consequence of the merger, not much that GCP could do to prevent it with some ads.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:34 am

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... the Greater Cleveland Partnership just released its strategic priorities and not a word about air service or the dated airport.


Nothing about the airport in that report, but on page 3 under the goal Opportunities for CEO Perspective Leading to Action point 3 says "Expand International and Domestic Air Service." Next to it is a bullet that reads "Create the International Air Service Guarantee Fund."

How might that fund work? Ticket sale guarantee? Direct subsidy? They don't say.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:41 pm

I missed this when it was first published, but a call for airport regionalization, preferably to include CAK, in a PD column from a few weeks back. He also speaks to Burke.

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2019/ ... arkin.html

The column got a couple more letters to the editor complaining about the airport in today's paper (2/6/19). I will post those links if interested. One was written by a disabled passenger who really struggled with the new taxi set up.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:26 am

Info on MCI new terminal construction

https://www.kcur.org/post/airlines-agre ... t#stream/0
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:21 pm

ncflyer wrote:
I missed this when it was first published, but a call for airport regionalization, preferably to include CAK, in a PD column from a few weeks back. He also speaks to Burke.

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2019/ ... arkin.html



I couldn't disagree more with Brent Larkin in terms of forcing the city to lose the airport. The solution is to fix management---fix the city---not make it even weaker. He says, "If Cleveland won’t agree, someone should ask the courts to take the airport from Cleveland’s control..." that's utterly absurd. Should someone ask the courts to take away his pen? Of course not, but that's the same line of thinking.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:31 pm

Very good point Greenair. I don’t know what happened with the sewer district that led to a court intervention but google is calling my name on that.

Mostly I’m just glad that someone is talking about regionalization or changing the management structure. The PD could do some nice fact based reporting on how out of the ordinary it is for a city to run an airport. Others do it— SAT SMF and I think MCI come to mind— but it’s not the norm. Ckevekand and City Council have enough challenges without being bothered with an airport.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:58 pm

These people who call for a regional airport authority are weakening the region further as it pulls the asset from the core. If the issue is crappy management (and I get it: uber drop-off fiasco, insufficient parking, no int'l service to europe, etc.) get a better port control director. In the worse case, KEEP the airports, as its big money, and let a regional organization run them. NYC owns LGA and JFK---it would be absolutely crazy for NYC to give them away as people in Cleveland often want for some crazy, ill-informed reason. NYC owns LGA and JFK and the city of Newark owns EWR. NYC and Newark have contracted with a regional organization, the port of authority, to operate them. but the port authority certainly does not own the airports--nor should they. City-owned airports are not that uncommon. LGA, JFK, EWR, PHL, CLE, MDW, ORD--even LAX. If you want to take something from the city and give it to the region, give the region the city schools and you'll see how dedicated people really are to doing good for the full region and not just taking the good stuff.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:13 pm

greenair727 wrote:
These people who call for a regional airport authority are weakening the region further as it pulls the asset from the core. If the issue is crappy management (and I get it: uber drop-off fiasco, insufficient parking, no int'l service to europe, etc.) get a better port control director. In the worse case, KEEP the airports, as its big money, and let a regional organization run them. NYC owns LGA and JFK---it would be absolutely crazy for NYC to give them away as people in Cleveland often want for some crazy, ill-informed reason. NYC owns LGA and JFK and the city of Newark owns EWR. NYC and Newark have contracted with a regional organization, the port of authority, to operate them. but the port authority certainly does not own the airports--nor should they. City-owned airports are not that uncommon. LGA, JFK, EWR, PHL, CLE, MDW, ORD--even LAX. If you want to take something from the city and give it to the region, give the region the city schools and you'll see how dedicated people really are to doing good for the full region and not just taking the good stuff.


Very good proposal
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:45 pm

Probably arguing over semantics. I don’t really care who owns the airport, after all it’s required by law to be a financially stand alone operation (ie airport profits can’t subsidize city operations, and vice versa). I do care how it’s managed. It should be a regionally appointed board of business and civic leaders that doesn’t change with each election. The Metroparks is a fantastic model. With all due respect Clevelsnd city council members aren’t trained to act as board authority over an airport.

Most airport boards are appointed by some combo of mayors and county executives. DTW has a few governor appointees.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:57 pm

To be clear, I am not in favor of a regional organization running the airports. I favor getting competent leadership at city hall. I had said 'at worst case scenario' get external management, but not ownership. A regional organization will still have its strong-armed suburban interests in mind, but would now be at the table with actual control. The suburbs fight the city at every turn. Regarding, "With all due respect Cleveland city council members aren’t trained to run an airport." But suburban city council people are? They would be even less qualified.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:43 pm

JetBlue is mystifying me. Going by their online schedule, they add a 4th CLE-BOS only for May and half of June, discontinue it for the rest of the summer, and resume the flight in Septemberand October (as far as their schedule goes). Is the May/June flight a "graduation special"?
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:54 pm

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JetBlue is mystifying me. Going by their online schedule, they add a 4th CLE-BOS only for May and half of June, discontinue it for the rest of the summer, and resume the flight in Septemberand October (as far as their schedule goes). Is the May/June flight a "graduation special"?

In peak summer season, they move more airframe to JFK to fly new yorkers to leisure destinations which is a lot higher margined in summer season than BOS business markets. And due to delayed airbus delivery this year, they simply don't have enough airframe to fly peak summer schedule as well as maintain their increases to BOS. I would expect that 4th flight to stick around going forward.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:26 pm

Not exactly Greenair. The Metroparks board, and other similar organizations like MetroHealth or some of the library systems, have boards appointed by politicians (because you’ve got to start somewhere), but the people on the board are not politicians. They are business people, lawyers, etc. the MetroParks board is outstanding, one of the three people on it is one of the most successful entrepreneurs in cleveland and it shows in how that organization is run. Why should airport be any different than that. Board member terms are timed so that no one politician gets too many of the appointees. Imagine if CLE airport had someone like Ricci the founder of Flight Options on it, or Henry Meier III retired CEO of Key and formerly on United’s Board— there are so many qualified people in town. Those are people who know how to govern complex organizations and make things happen. What I’m describing is how most airports are run in US. The airport director is beholden to a board that has continuity from one election to the next.



greenair727 wrote:
To be clear, I am not in favor of a regional organization running the airports. I favor getting competent leadership at city hall. I had said 'at worst case scenario' get external management, but not ownership. A regional organization will still have its strong-armed suburban interests in mind, but would now be at the table with actual control. The suburbs fight the city at every turn. Regarding, "With all due respect Cleveland city council members aren’t trained to run an airport." But suburban city council people are? They would be even less qualified.
 
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:26 pm

tphuang wrote:
In peak summer season, they move more airframe to JFK to fly new yorkers to leisure destinations which is a lot higher margined in summer season than BOS business markets. And due to delayed airbus delivery this year, they simply don't have enough airframe to fly peak summer schedule as well as maintain their increases to BOS. .


Thanks, tp. That makes sense. Too bad they didn't move on the A220 order sooner.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:20 pm

City hall is reversing the universally despised decision re: curbside drop-off and pickup at CLE, effective February 18:

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/02/ ... icles.html

A more hopeful quote from the article (emphasis mine):

"Later this year, the city plans to seek proposals for a new airport master plan, which will look at the entire facility, including terminals, roadways, parking and more. That plan should be finished by 2021 and may suggest dramatic changes in the airport infrastructure.

Said the City Hall statement: “Recognizing the strong growth in passengers using CLE for origin and destination flights, the City is committed to creating a convenient, user-friendly experience for the traveling public.
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:05 pm

It’s really a wonder to me why CLE doesn’t use every single communication to the public to remind them that a master facility plan is coming. I’m really glad they are doing it (finally!) with this news item— it should have been done in every single release about the $4 fee. The time to get public support behind an improved terminal is now.
 
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Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:30 pm

ncflyer wrote:
It’s really a wonder to me why CLE doesn’t use every single communication to the public to remind them that a master facility plan is coming. I’m really glad they are doing it (finally!) with this news item— it should have been done in every single release about the $4 fee. The time to get public support behind an improved terminal is now.


Why do you place so much emphasis on the master plan? 1. It is required by FAA to complete---it doesn't mean the city will do ANYTHING in the plan except have it. Look how much has been done from the last master plan. 2. If its done in 2021-2022, that means implementation is 2022-2032 or so---but again NOTHING has to be done. So the master plan is meaningless for the current situation. If the city wanted to fix the issue, they could do so today; if they were genuine about the master plan, that means they would address the problem in 2024or 2025 which is wait too long to fix a very simple issue that very airport in the country has already done.
 
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Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Because every time the airport misses a chance to communicate to the citizens of NEO that Hopkins is in desperate need of a major overhaul (not another incremental project like the RNC project or a $3mm ground transportation center) to solve its myriad facility problems it is a lost opportunity. The last master facility plan only had design enhancements for the UA hub, and much/most of it was never implemented. IF I thought a KSU school of architecture design competition would get that discussion going amongst the community I’d be all for that too, but right now the master facility plan seems to be the best hope. Whatever it takes. Enough with the tweaks. Best I could tell from reading it, MCI used their master facility plan to accomplish what CLE needs to do— set the groundwork for change— which they are about to accomplish

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