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AVENSAB727 wrote:As 2018 was pretty much a casual year for IAH, with a few notable events included: United launching IAH-SYD services with the 789, The delayed Terminal D MLIT program finally gets the green light.
I wonder what 2019 will bring to IAH?
My predictions for 2019:
1. Construction finally begins on the Terminal D renovation project.
2. United launches another international route(s) out of IAH
3. A new International flag carrier announces that they will start IAH.
Croden wrote:AVENSAB727 wrote:As 2018 was pretty much a casual year for IAH, with a few notable events included: United launching IAH-SYD services with the 789, The delayed Terminal D MLIT program finally gets the green light.
I wonder what 2019 will bring to IAH?
My predictions for 2019:
1. Construction finally begins on the Terminal D renovation project.
2. United launches another international route(s) out of IAH
3. A new International flag carrier announces that they will start IAH.
Where would you predict the new United intl routes? And who would the new intl airline be?
jplatts wrote:There are still some more domestic nonstop routes that could be added by UA out of IAH such as IAH-BIS, IAH-BUF, IAH-BUR, IAH-CID, IAH-FAR, IAH-FWA, IAH-FAT, IAH-MSN, IAH-MLI, IAH-MYR, IAH-PIA, IAH-ROC, IAH-SRQ, IAH-FSD, IAH-SBN, and IAH-TVC.
Will UA announce any new domestic nonstop routes out of IAH in 2019?
TWA772LR wrote:jplatts wrote:There are still some more domestic nonstop routes that could be added by UA out of IAH such as IAH-BIS, IAH-BUF, IAH-BUR, IAH-CID, IAH-FAR, IAH-FWA, IAH-FAT, IAH-MSN, IAH-MLI, IAH-MYR, IAH-PIA, IAH-ROC, IAH-SRQ, IAH-FSD, IAH-SBN, and IAH-TVC.
Will UA announce any new domestic nonstop routes out of IAH in 2019?
UA just announced a few of those a couple weeks ago. I believe BUF, ROC, and TVC were 3 of them.
FlyingSicilian wrote:IAH would get MXP before FCO ,if that ever happens, for business ties in my view. My sources at UA, including one very high up the food chain have noted little to nothing "big" out of IAH "right now" which would l presume means through the summer at least.
It would be interesting to get a COPA to start HOU from PTY...not likely but not impossible. I am actually surprised a Mexican low cost has not tried HOU yet.
LH658 wrote:FlyingSicilian wrote:IAH would get MXP before FCO ,if that ever happens, for business ties in my view. My sources at UA, including one very high up the food chain have noted little to nothing "big" out of IAH "right now" which would l presume means through the summer at least.
It would be interesting to get a COPA to start HOU from PTY...not likely but not impossible. I am actually surprised a Mexican low cost has not tried HOU yet.
I can see MXP due to energy ties companies like Tenaris and ENI.
FlyingSicilian wrote:LH658 wrote:FlyingSicilian wrote:IAH would get MXP before FCO ,if that ever happens, for business ties in my view. My sources at UA, including one very high up the food chain have noted little to nothing "big" out of IAH "right now" which would l presume means through the summer at least.
It would be interesting to get a COPA to start HOU from PTY...not likely but not impossible. I am actually surprised a Mexican low cost has not tried HOU yet.
I can see MXP due to energy ties companies like Tenaris and ENI.
Exactly, ENI's Houston ops are still huge, though slightly smaller than ten years ago still one of their N.A. Headquarters. They still rent blocks of apartments at 7171 Buffalo Speedway for employees on temp status for example. That said I am not sure if UA can score the premium contracts, and thus demand, to make it happen; I certainly wish they would, it would make my life easier.
zm093 wrote:I wonder what happened with the rumors about ET and MU starting flights to Houston
IAHWorldflyer wrote:LAXdude, do you think DL would be interested in linking IAH with SEA to tie into their Asia hub?
LAXdude1023 wrote:IAHWorldflyer wrote:LAXdude, do you think DL would be interested in linking IAH with SEA to tie into their Asia hub?
I think its within the realm of possibility yes. Whether or not its next on their list has yet to be seen. I think a big part of DL's operation in SEA (even moreso than feeding the Asian operation) is connecting large business markets from SEA so they can compete with AS and WN. IAH-SEA isnt a small market, but its actually not that big compared to DFW/ATL/WAS/BOS-SEA. I would think DFW would probably come first, not because of the Asia hub but because DFW-SEA is a much larger local market than IAH-SEA. That said Im happy to be wrong about that.
I think what grinds my gears more is that AC serves DFW-YVR but not IAH-YVR.
LH658 wrote:IAH - FCO, IAH - MAD/BCN, and IAH - MXP needs to happen.
zm093 wrote:What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?
LAXdude1023 wrote:zm093 wrote:What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?
By O&D, the markets that have the highest O&D with no service are:
SGN
BOM
LOS
PVG
MNL
ICN
ABZ
DEL
KHI
MOW
But this alone doesnt tell the story. SGN, MNL, DEL, and KHI wouldnt make one dime because the fares are so low and its all ethnic.
LOS, ICN, and MOW have been tried recently and failed. I think ICN would have done better if it was flown by a UA alliance partner, but the other two are nonstarters.
BOM and ABZ have high fare components, but UA wont fly either of them. BA wont fly IAH-ABZ because it would drain the yields of IAH-LHR and only AI would ever consider IAH-BOM but I dont think its the next US-BOM market they would fly.
I dont know why FCO, MXP, and Spain "need to be flown" either.
IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
LH658 wrote:Just looking at the seasonal tourist markets i think UA can pull off MXP, FCO, MAD, or BCN. AA is doing it from DFW, Spain is obvious cause of One World. UA can connect lot of traffic down south.
upperdeckfan wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:zm093 wrote:What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?
By O&D, the markets that have the highest O&D with no service are:
SGN
BOM
LOS
PVG
MNL
ICN
ABZ
DEL
KHI
MOW
But this alone doesnt tell the story. SGN, MNL, DEL, and KHI wouldnt make one dime because the fares are so low and its all ethnic.
LOS, ICN, and MOW have been tried recently and failed. I think ICN would have done better if it was flown by a UA alliance partner, but the other two are nonstarters.
BOM and ABZ have high fare components, but UA wont fly either of them. BA wont fly IAH-ABZ because it would drain the yields of IAH-LHR and only AI would ever consider IAH-BOM but I dont think its the next US-BOM market they would fly.
I dont know why FCO, MXP, and Spain "need to be flown" either.
IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
Working in the O&G industry in Spain I personally know tenths of people who travel Madrid - Houston more than once a year with their employer paying J. Some of them use AA through MIA or DFW, others DL through ATL and even AF/KL through CDG/AMS. They would love to have a non stop link.
There is also potential MAD traffic connecting not to South but Central America, most of that traffic is currently connecting at DFW/MIA/MEX
Shame IB/IAG being so conservative to open non-hub routes, I'm sure the market for IAH-MAD is there. Houston is the 4th largest metro area in the US and a big UA hub (if not the biggest) and Madrid is a major European market.
Okcflyer wrote:Does someone have access to IAH-GYE traffic figures? For personal reasons, I wish this sCO route would return, though seemingly unlikely. Double stopping is getting old.
thomasphoto60 wrote:Did LH downgrade IAH-FRA 440/441 to the A346? I know that during Christmas and New Year the ‘380’ was swapped for the 748, however the A380 returned. Now it seems to have been replaced by the A346 over the last 5 days and it seems for the foreseeable future the 748 will be making the run. Any thoughts?
LAXdude1023 wrote:IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
upperdeckfan wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
PDEW is one of the multiple inputs and factors airlines weigh in when assessing potential new routes.
upperdeckfan wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:zm093 wrote:What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?
By O&D, the markets that have the highest O&D with no service are:
SGN
BOM
LOS
PVG
MNL
ICN
ABZ
DEL
KHI
MOW
But this alone doesnt tell the story. SGN, MNL, DEL, and KHI wouldnt make one dime because the fares are so low and its all ethnic.
LOS, ICN, and MOW have been tried recently and failed. I think ICN would have done better if it was flown by a UA alliance partner, but the other two are nonstarters.
BOM and ABZ have high fare components, but UA wont fly either of them. BA wont fly IAH-ABZ because it would drain the yields of IAH-LHR and only AI would ever consider IAH-BOM but I dont think its the next US-BOM market they would fly.
I dont know why FCO, MXP, and Spain "need to be flown" either.
IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
Working in the O&G industry in Spain I personally know tenths of people who travel Madrid - Houston more than once a year with their employer paying J. Some of them use AA through MIA or DFW, others DL through ATL and even AF/KL through CDG/AMS. They would love to have a non stop link.
There is also potential MAD traffic connecting not to South but Central America, most of that traffic is currently connecting at DFW/MIA/MEX
Shame IB/IAG being so conservative to open non-hub routes, I'm sure the market for IAH-MAD is there. Houston is the 4th largest metro area in the US and a big UA hub (if not the biggest) and Madrid is a major European market.
LAXdude1023 wrote:zm093 wrote:What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?
By O&D, the markets that have the highest O&D with no service are:
SGN
BOM
LOS
PVG
MNL
ICN
ABZ
DEL
KHI
MOW
But this alone doesnt tell the story. SGN, MNL, DEL, and KHI wouldnt make one dime because the fares are so low and its all ethnic.
LOS, ICN, and MOW have been tried recently and failed. I think ICN would have done better if it was flown by a UA alliance partner, but the other two are nonstarters.
BOM and ABZ have high fare components, but UA wont fly either of them. BA wont fly IAH-ABZ because it would drain the yields of IAH-LHR and only AI would ever consider IAH-BOM but I dont think its the next US-BOM market they would fly.
I dont know why FCO, MXP, and Spain "need to be flown" either.
IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
CALMSP wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:zm093 wrote:What do you guys think are the most underserved markets from IAH?
By O&D, the markets that have the highest O&D with no service are:
SGN
BOM
LOS
PVG
MNL
ICN
ABZ
DEL
KHI
MOW
But this alone doesnt tell the story. SGN, MNL, DEL, and KHI wouldnt make one dime because the fares are so low and its all ethnic.
LOS, ICN, and MOW have been tried recently and failed. I think ICN would have done better if it was flown by a UA alliance partner, but the other two are nonstarters.
BOM and ABZ have high fare components, but UA wont fly either of them. BA wont fly IAH-ABZ because it would drain the yields of IAH-LHR and only AI would ever consider IAH-BOM but I dont think its the next US-BOM market they would fly.
I dont know why FCO, MXP, and Spain "need to be flown" either.
IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
I believe the MXP/FCO/Spain thoughts have stuck around since the CO and SkyTEAM days. I think many of us expected that to happen, even with Kellner saying it was going to happen, just didnt have excess a/c to do so. But once CO left SkyTEAM, there really was no large need to go to these hubs.
TWA772LR wrote:CALMSP wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:
By O&D, the markets that have the highest O&D with no service are:
SGN
BOM
LOS
PVG
MNL
ICN
ABZ
DEL
KHI
MOW
But this alone doesnt tell the story. SGN, MNL, DEL, and KHI wouldnt make one dime because the fares are so low and its all ethnic.
LOS, ICN, and MOW have been tried recently and failed. I think ICN would have done better if it was flown by a UA alliance partner, but the other two are nonstarters.
BOM and ABZ have high fare components, but UA wont fly either of them. BA wont fly IAH-ABZ because it would drain the yields of IAH-LHR and only AI would ever consider IAH-BOM but I dont think its the next US-BOM market they would fly.
I dont know why FCO, MXP, and Spain "need to be flown" either.
IAH-FCO 32 PDEW and highly seasonal. IAH-MXP is only 19 PDEW. IAH-MAD is 25 PDEW. These arent markets that need service at all. The only one that might work is IAH-FCO in summer seasonal. IAH-MAD could be used to feed Latin America but why? MAD has service to virtually every country down there.
I believe the MXP/FCO/Spain thoughts have stuck around since the CO and SkyTEAM days. I think many of us expected that to happen, even with Kellner saying it was going to happen, just didnt have excess a/c to do so. But once CO left SkyTEAM, there really was no large need to go to these hubs.
Spain service wouldn't really have any baring with CO being in Sky Team.
mfe777 wrote:Just small correction there, DFW is the 4th largest metro area in the US, not Houston. In the 2010 census, DFW had ~500k more people than the Houston metro, and as the 2017 estimate, it's about the same gap. The more diversified economy in DFW might be driving more premium traffic from Madrid, hence why American Airlines is going double daily on Madrid-DFW. Houston's premium traffic is heavily dependent on oil & gas.