West Coast Florida Thread - 2019

atcsundevil · Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:13 am

Please continue from last year's discussion.

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727LOVER · Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:39 am

SRQLOT,
put that pic up again, and I'll explain what happened

727LOVER · Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:46 am

I think we need a recap of of all the new services started or announced

Reminder..thread covers TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF

Been meaning to post some recent traffic figures, I'll try to do that in the next few days.

SRQLOT · Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:26 pm

727LOVER wrote:
SRQLOT,
put that pic up again, and I'll explain what happened

727LOVER · Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:43 pm

For the most part over the holiday season, its been 3 MD-80s RON, all leaving the next morning. On Sunday night, there were 3 MD-80s that arrived, but only 2 were scheduled to leave the next morning. The 3rd one is the one in B2. Then on Monday night, there was only 1 MD-80 arrival to RON, then 2 left this morning. So that MD-80 was in B2 for the over 24 hours. So with that crowded schedule around noon time, they had to use B8

SRQLOT · Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:00 am

727LOVER wrote:
For the most part over the holiday season, its been 3 MD-80s RON, all leaving the next morning. On Sunday night, there were 3 MD-80s that arrived, but only 2 were scheduled to leave the next morning. The 3rd one is the one in B2. Then on Monday night, there was only 1 MD-80 arrival to RON, then 2 left this morning. So that MD-80 was in B2 for the over 24 hours. So with that crowded schedule around noon time, they had to use B8

Ah ok so there was a chance 5 Deltas could have been on the ground then. This holiday season within the noon one hour there are 4 departures and usually one is taxiing out to the runway while one is arriving.

727LOVER · Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:32 am

RSW to consolidate TSA into one area....will add one gate to concourse B

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/travel ... MZTLVKM_Jo

SRQflyer · Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:48 am

An odd flight tonight at SRQ as DL1911 (717)came in from ATL and ferries to LGA tomorrow morning as DL8785.

Seems to be the end of the 3 RON planes for the holidays. Just surprised they didn’t fly it back out with pax rather than ferry.

jplatts · Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:50 pm

There are still some additional nonstop routes that could be added by WN at RSW such as RSW-AUS, RSW-CVG, RSW-HOU, RSW-LAX, RSW-SDF, RSW-MSY, and RSW-RDU.

Will WN announce any new routes out of RSW this year, and if so, which new routes is WN likely to announce out of RSW this year?

727LOVER · Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:17 pm

Frontier adds TPA-RDU starting May 1

AA starts SRQ-PHL today

B6 started additional frequencies to TPA, RSW & SRQ a few days ago

SRQLOT · Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:14 am

727LOVER wrote:
Frontier adds TPA-RDU starting May 1

AA starts SRQ-PHL today

B6 started additional frequencies to TPA, RSW & SRQ a few days ago

And today starts MLB on Elite. I was wondering if this was going to start, it was on SRQ January schedule then it disappeared, and I do see the flights on February schedule.

Also rumor going around that Spirit will be the new airline announced next month, I’m guessing that is based on the latest Piccolo interview
https://www.aviationpros.com/news/12440 ... rt-in-2019

I see PDG announced their 2018 numbers, I wonder how behind SRQ will be and if this year they will beat PDG back.

csturdiv · Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:11 pm

727LOVER wrote:
RSW to consolidate TSA into one area....will add one gate to concourse B

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/travel ... MZTLVKM_Jo

How much slower would this make TSA at RSW? Every time I fly out of there the TSA screening is horrendously slow.

SRQLOT · Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:38 pm

csturdiv wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
RSW to consolidate TSA into one area....will add one gate to concourse B

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/travel ... MZTLVKM_Jo

How much slower would this make TSA at RSW? Every time I fly out of there the TSA screening is horrendously slow.

Well supposedly it’s supposed to speed it up with up to 18 screening lanes in one area, of course if they will have the staff for it. Now when I fly out of RSW, or drop off friends/family never seen a line at concourse B(Southwest) longer then 5 min. So is it that bad with security? I mean at SRQ we had wait times of up to 30+ min between 9am-12pm. On a side note I will miss the nice open area st RSW.

csturdiv · Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:33 am

SRQLOT wrote:
csturdiv wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
RSW to consolidate TSA into one area....will add one gate to concourse B

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/travel ... MZTLVKM_Jo

How much slower would this make TSA at RSW? Every time I fly out of there the TSA screening is horrendously slow.

Well supposedly it’s supposed to speed it up with up to 18 screening lanes in one area, of course if they will have the staff for it. Now when I fly out of RSW, or drop off friends/family never seen a line at concourse B(Southwest) longer then 5 min. So is it that bad with security? I mean at SRQ we had wait times of up to 30+ min between 9am-12pm. On a side note I will miss the nice open area st RSW.

In Concourse D (American, Jetblue, and Spirit) the TSA is nowhere near 5 minutes, last time the line stretched out to beyond Dunkin Donuts that is before you get into the lines. Luckily that was a day that I was flying in there, so that line didn't bother me.

SRQLOT · Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:35 pm

SRQ was up 39% in December! And 16% over 2017. Article doesn’t have exact numbers and SRQ hasn’t updated its statistics since October.

Also Elite will offer ski packages in Maine from SRQ. $699 Tickets based on double occupancy will include airfare, airport trsnsfer, lodging, ski lift tickets, free oversized ski/ snowboard bag 3 or 4 nights. Also plans are for summer and fall vacation packages.

https://www.srqmagazine.com/srq-daily/2 ... -High-Note

SRQflyer · Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:06 pm

Pretty neat little promo video SRQ put together:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poIp3BggV6E

RobertS975 · Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:25 pm

Could DL make an RSW-LAX flight work once a day in season? What is the PDEW RSW-LAX in season?

jmdc861 · Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:42 pm

Air travel on the RSW-LAX route is not seasonal. It would need to be year-round to be viable. Next time you are in an FLL airport parking garage look at all the Collier County plates. Non-stop service from RSW to anywhere is not much more than 35 years ago when I came to Naples

RobertS975 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:50 pm

jmdc861 wrote:
Air travel on the RSW-LAX route is not seasonal. It would need to be year-round to be viable. Next time you are in an FLL airport parking garage look at all the Collier County plates. Non-stop service from RSW to anywhere is not much more than 35 years ago when I came to Naples

Surprising, since there was no Jet Blue, Frontier or Spirit or WestJet 35 years ago. But RSW-LAX would be welcome by this Lee County resident. Does anyone know how many pax travel this roiute? I imagine you'd have to include pax that current use SNA or BUR in the potential for this route.

flyingcat · Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:54 pm

RobertS975 wrote:
jmdc861 wrote:
But RSW-LAX would be welcome by this Lee County resident. Does anyone know how many pax travel this roiute? I imagine you'd have to include pax that current use SNA or BUR in the potential for this route.

Just over 100 in each direction, however the connecting fares have been going up just over $300.

I was surprised at F9 starting LAS and PHX service, LAX has more demand and higher fares. Perhaps they did not want to waste the LAX gate space or figured there was more wanted to see how much demand is hidden and could be stimulated before trying it out

Frontier14 · Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:47 pm

flyingcat wrote:
RobertS975 wrote:
jmdc861 wrote:
But RSW-LAX would be welcome by this Lee County resident. Does anyone know how many pax travel this roiute? I imagine you'd have to include pax that current use SNA or BUR in the potential for this route.

Just over 100 in each direction, however the connecting fares have been going up just over $300.

I was surprised at F9 starting LAS and PHX service, LAX has more demand and higher fares. Perhaps they did not want to waste the LAX gate space or figured there was more wanted to see how much demand is hidden and could be stimulated before trying it out

Frontier has very limited gate space at LAX which reduces potential new route additions.

Frontier 14

CMHSRQ · Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:33 pm

SRQ finally posted 2018 numbers 1,371,888 pax up 16%

Anyone know how all the new flights are doing?

jplatts · Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:24 pm

flyingcat wrote:
RobertS975 wrote:
jmdc861 wrote:
But RSW-LAX would be welcome by this Lee County resident. Does anyone know how many pax travel this roiute? I imagine you'd have to include pax that current use SNA or BUR in the potential for this route.

Just over 100 in each direction, however the connecting fares have been going up just over $300.

I was surprised at F9 starting LAS and PHX service, LAX has more demand and higher fares. Perhaps they did not want to waste the LAX gate space or figured there was more wanted to see how much demand is hidden and could be stimulated before trying it out

WN could add RSW-LAX nonstop service, and WN now does have enough room at LAX to add RSW-LAX with the reopening of additional gates in Terminal 1 at LAX. LAX is also currently the largest WN station on the West Coast, even though that will change once WN starts nonstop service to Hawaii out of OAK.

RobertS975 · Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:55 pm

What about DL making RSW-LAX work with the new A220? And it make even being able to generate connecting traffic at LAX to the many other west coast stations served by DL out of LAX... SAN, SMF, SFO, PDX, SEA etc. Might be enough demand for an even larger seating capacity like a 738/9.

fsafsx · Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:12 pm

I would love to see Allegiant begin flight from Sarasota to Toledo.

727LOVER · Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:25 pm

I noticed this on Elite's site a few days ago...and now it's official.

SRQ-TVC
once weekly starting March 16
https://srq-airport.com/elite-airways-a ... vc-and-srq

flymco753 · Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:56 pm

727LOVER wrote:
I noticed this on Elite's site a few days ago...and now it's official.

SRQ-TVC
once weekly starting March 16
https://srq-airport.com/elite-airways-a ... vc-and-srq

Now that TVC has the same frequency to SRQ as DTW, and GRR has more seats to SRQ than DTW, how much longer do we have to be a science experiment by DL? I strongly believe daily flights from SRQ to DTW can be supported.

727LOVER · Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:11 pm

flymco753 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
I noticed this on Elite's site a few days ago...and now it's official.

SRQ-TVC
once weekly starting March 16
https://srq-airport.com/elite-airways-a ... vc-and-srq
Now that TVC has the same frequency to SRQ as DTW, and GRR has more seats to SRQ than DTW, how much longer do we have to be a science experiment by DL? I strongly believe daily flights from SRQ to DTW can be supported.

I KNEW you'd love this ! :lol:

But I agree :checkmark:

flymco753 · Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:46 pm

727LOVER wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
I noticed this on Elite's site a few days ago...and now it's official.

SRQ-TVC
once weekly starting March 16
https://srq-airport.com/elite-airways-a ... vc-and-srq
Now that TVC has the same frequency to SRQ as DTW, and GRR has more seats to SRQ than DTW, how much longer do we have to be a science experiment by DL? I strongly believe daily flights from SRQ to DTW can be supported.

I KNEW you'd love this !

But I agree

I'm new to the SRQ area, forgive me. :lol:

This is TVC's first Florida route.

727LOVER · Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:59 pm

flymco753 wrote:
I strongly believe daily flights from SRQ to DTW can be supported.

Three daily from NW back in the day...Dec 15, 1992 schedule

http://www.departedflights.com/NW121592p23.html

SRQLOT · Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:21 pm

CMHSRQ wrote:
SRQ finally posted 2018 numbers 1,371,888 pax up 16%

Anyone know how all the new flights are doing?

Yes they waited till beginning of February to post the last 2 months of 2018. I think those are the best numbers since 2010?

I think flights overall are doing well, but in middle of January into February there were plenty of cancelled flights and heavy delays. I know some of JetBlue and United flights that left next day were half full as most passengers got put on other flights, probably a good number from Tampa.

I know last Wednesday Frontier to Atlanta left with only 65 passengers and that’s on a 180 seat airplane. And at $59 round trip I’m not sure how long they can support that, obviously that’s just one flight. I do wonder how they are doing overall. That flight leaves in between 3 Delta to Atlanta flights so that’s a lot of seats there. Did Delta lower their flights out of SRQ this season compared to last years? I feel like they don’t have as many flights.

Elite with the Melbourne Orlando flight, does anyone know how well that’s doing? I know it’s an add on to Portland Maine and back, but just curious to see how many passengers board in Srq to Melbourne.
They had plenty of cancellations too so with only 2 weekly they would fly the flights next day, but that’s not really a confidence builder for such a short hop.

With the new update for October and November
It’s great to see that American is stretching seasonal DFW to SRQ starting in October, but where is the ORD flight!!! Will it be back in December then? As with some SRQ flights they start out as seasonal and then get stretched longer until they are year round. I was hoping both of those would become year round. I keep complaining that ORD flights are so expensive so I can’t image American would just blow off that market.

727LOVER · Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:53 am

I feel the only reason SRQ got the numbers out was because I complained on the SRQ spotters facebook page and someone in management saw it and got the ball rolling.

SRQ was up 41% in January

AA's ORD flight....chill...they're just starting to get fall/Thanksgiving schedules going.

OAG, biggest takeaway I saw was G4 is adding more frequency to a bunch of SRQ flights.....I believe PGD and PIE also.

727LOVER · Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:44 am

Flair will be quitting PIE effective Feb 28 (MIA & PSP gone also)

727LOVER · Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:41 pm

Just noticed..@ SRQ,AA has an extra frequency to DFW on Saturday thru March and will be Sat only thru April. Originally I thought the service was to end completely on April 1

DL keeping Sat only service to DTW thru August

SRQLOT · Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:48 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Just noticed..@ SRQ,AA has an extra frequency to DFW on Saturday thru March and will be Sat only thru April. Originally I thought the service was to end completely on April 1

DL keeping Sat only service to DTW thru August

Oh nice, that’s good and yeah I was surprised that they had the flights scheduled seasonallythru April 1 when there is spring break and Easter. A good number of the once weekly are on Saturday’s.

United to Denver
American to Dallas
Delta to Detrit
Delta to New York JFK
Elite to Traverse City

SRQLOT · Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:16 pm

So SRQ posted April’s flight schedule and looks like American is upguaging the second CLT flight to a 320! First flight of the day is still 319. And a third daily is going to be more often a 319. In February AA brought in the 320 twice. So is AA getting serious about SRQ?? Or is this just an April thing. I am curious about the first morning flight to CLT, usually on the crj7 there were only about 30 or so passengers. How many more are on the 319?

Also I don’t see United’s Denver flight on Saturday’s, is it still happening?

dfwjim1 · Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:08 pm

I was not aware that G4 served SRQ until I read this thread. Looking at the G4 route map I was surprised as to how many destinations they serve from SRQ.

SRQLOT · Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:23 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
I was not aware that G4 served SRQ until I read this thread. Looking at the G4 route map I was surprised as to how many destinations they serve from SRQ.

Ah haha that is old news! In a month it will be 12 destinations and one A320 stationed.

727LOVER · Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:56 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
So SRQ posted April’s flight schedule and looks like American is upguaging the second CLT flight to a 320! First flight of the day is still 319. And a third daily is going to be more often a 319. In February AA brought in the 320 twice. So is AA getting serious about SRQ?? Or is this just an April thing. I am curious about the first morning flight to CLT, usually on the crj7 there were only about 30 or so passengers. How many more are on the 319?

Also I don’t see United’s Denver flight on Saturday’s, is it still happening?

UA timetable says it's still there

AA will keep an A319 during summer

dfwjim1 · Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:11 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
I was not aware that G4 served SRQ until I read this thread. Looking at the G4 route map I was surprised as to how many destinations they serve from SRQ.

Ah haha that is old news! In a month it will be 12 destinations and one A320 stationed.

Good stuff...I like G4!

SRQflyer · Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:10 pm

Some odd DL Charter related activity at SRQ last night.

DL8883 (757 N668DN) arrived from MCO around 7pm, and then took off to ATL at 9:30.

DL8890 ( 757 N6703D) arrived from MEM arrived at 11:15pm, and it appears to be sitting at SRQ as of this afternoon with a scheduled departure to Syracuse within the next hour.

Any thoughts on what this could be? My first thought was spring training wrapping up, but flying to SYR doesnt match up with any MLB teams.

727LOVER · Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:24 am

SRQflyer wrote:
Some odd DL Charter related activity at SRQ last night.

DL8883 (757 N668DN) arrived from MCO around 7pm, and then took off to ATL at 9:30.

DL8890 ( 757 N6703D) arrived from MEM arrived at 11:15pm, and it appears to be sitting at SRQ as of this afternoon with a scheduled departure to Syracuse within the next hour.

Any thoughts on what this could be? My first thought was spring training wrapping up, but flying to SYR doesnt match up with any MLB teams.

It was all spring training....there was a UA flight to IAH also, got my hopes up.

The guess on the SRQ spotter FB page was
"8890 is probably the Mets. They play the Orioles tomorrow and then are headed to Syracuse for a final spring training warmup with their minor league club in Syracuse"

Seems plausible

Eurowings supposedly will be bringing an A340 to RSW on Saturday

crj900lr · Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:40 am

727LOVER wrote:
RSW to consolidate TSA into one area....will add one gate to concourse B

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/travel ... MZTLVKM_Jo

If I am looking at that drawing/picture of the new TSA area at RSW, wouldn't that put it right where that restaurant, Quiznos and the hot dog place are I believe? What about the airline ticket counters that are right in front of that? There is also the escalator leading downstairs to baggage claim so are they gonna move that also for this new area? I agree there should be 1 checkpoint but that should have been thought of when they did the new terminal, not now.

727LOVER · Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:15 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Eurowings supposedly will be bringing an A340 to RSW on Saturday

CONFIRMED
on it's way
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/OOSCX

This one:

SRQflyer · Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:34 am

Driving by SRQ I noticed a DL plane at B2, which is rarely used, so i had to dig into it a bit more. Turns out DL had a bit of a mess today. DL1271 (MD90)landed on time, but went tech and couldnt make the return to ATL. They then ferried a MD88 down as DL 9932 to cover the flight, which turned into a 5 and a half hour delay, but everyone gets out. Looks like the MD90 is set to ferry back later tonight as DL9932.

Kudos to DL for not stranding everyone and all things considered having a pretty speedy recovery.

727LOVER · Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:44 pm

United starting SRQ-IAD...twice daily

https://srq-airport.com/united-airlines ... ce-srq-iad

https://www.bradenton.com/news/business ... 78489.html

I actually didn't realize that they flew RSW-IAD...when did that start?

EDIT..RSW starts same day

SRQLOT · Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:02 am

727LOVER wrote:
United starting SRQ-IAD...twice daily

https://srq-airport.com/united-airlines ... ce-srq-iad

https://www.bradenton.com/news/business ... 78489.html

I actually didn't realize that they flew RSW-IAD...when did that start?

EDIT..RSW starts same day

That’s so exciting!!! Finally some new route news for SRQ!! Just need them to move westward. I have been awaiting SRQs first quarter numbers, hopefully they’ll come out soon.

N292UX · Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:06 am

UA is launching twice daily service from IAD to RSW and SRQ.
SRQ will be 2x on E175s, and RSW will be 2x on a 73G and A320.

727LOVER · Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:15 am

727LOVER wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Eurowings supposedly will be bringing an A340 to RSW on Saturday

CONFIRMED
on it's way
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/OOSCX

This one:

A340 also came in on Tuesday and supposedly coming Saturday and next Tuesday as well

SRQLOT · Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:32 pm

For March SRQ had 197,889 passengers fly thru. That is up 33% over 2018 March, and year to date SRQ is up 36.5%!!! Has SRQ ever seen over 200k in one month???

For March PDG has 221,326 passengers fly thru, that’s up 14.71% over 2018 March.

I was kind of hoping SRQ would catch up PDG, anyone think there still is a chance?
Last year SRQ had 1.35m passengers while PDG had 1.58m. How much more growth is Allegiant planning in PDG?

Today was a beautiful spotting day at SRQ too

https://www.businessobserverfl.com/arti ... raffic?amp

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/a ... s-1-billio

I didn’t see March stats for TPA or RSW yet

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