Dieuwer wrote:Always thought BOS is the East Coast version of SEA. But doesn’t metro BOS has a wealthier, stronger economy than SEA?
Maybe strip out the connections and only look at OD pax to/from BOS and SEA.
iyerhari wrote:Dieuwer wrote:How does BOS compare to SEA, pax-wise?
Rank Airport Total pax Intl. pax Relative to BOS Intl. pax % 2017 pax Reported months
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8 SEA 49,849,340 5,427,551 8,907,415 10.89% 46,934,194 Dec
9 LAS 49,713,540 3,964,965 8,771,615 7.98% 48,500,194 Dec
10 MCO 47,696,627 6,600,637 6,754,702 13.84% 44,672,421 Dec
11 PHX 44,943,125 2,151,504 4,001,200 4.79% 44,071,313 Dec
12 MIA 45,044,312 21,876,691 4,102,387 48.57% 44,611,265 Dec
13 IAH 43,807,539 10,733,600 2,865,614 24.50% 40,696,216 Dec
14 EWR 43,460,191 12,903,799 2,518,266 29.69% 43,921,670 Nov
15 CLT 42,436,689 2,881,174 1,494,764 6.79% 45,909,899 Nov
16 BOS 40,941,925 7,583,887 - 18.52% 38,412,419 Dec
17 MSP 38,037,381 3,022,388 (2,904,544) 7.95% 38,034,341 Dec
18 DTW 35,236,676 3,263,378 (5,705,249) 9.26% 34,701,497 Dec
19 FLL 35,959,225 8,608,363 (4,982,700) 23.94% 32,511,053 Dec
20 PHL 31,696,564 3,938,680 (9,245,361) 12.43% 29,585,754 Dec
VS4ever wrote:airbazar wrote:VS4ever wrote:Just goes to show how seasonal BOS is, April, May are very close to BOS, Aug, Sep and Oct are bigger than IAH, but we get killed in the winter months, when all our schedules get cut back.
That's hardly a BOS issue. More like every airport that is not a southern hub.
IAH is a huge North-South hub so they get a lot of traffic to/from the rest of the country connecting to warm destinations.
Not saying it was just a BOS issue, but shows just how it is as a comparison, the fact that we are even this close to IAH now, says a lot for the growth of BOS over the past few years and the stagnation of IAH following the oil price drop in previous years. 10 years ago, we wouldnt' have even been in the same league as we are now, and says a lot.
bagoldex wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Always thought BOS is the East Coast version of SEA. But doesn’t metro BOS has a wealthier, stronger economy than SEA?
Maybe strip out the connections and only look at OD pax to/from BOS and SEA.
Google is your friend ...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/20 ... 5b3207966c
Dieuwer wrote:bagoldex wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Always thought BOS is the East Coast version of SEA. But doesn’t metro BOS has a wealthier, stronger economy than SEA?
Maybe strip out the connections and only look at OD pax to/from BOS and SEA.
Google is your friend ...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/20 ... 5b3207966c
Thanks. That list shows BOS at #11 and SEA at #!3. So, Boston is better/larger/fancier/superior than Seattle
iyerhari needs to fix the list shown earlier in post #250.
Dieuwer wrote:bagoldex wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Always thought BOS is the East Coast version of SEA. But doesn’t metro BOS has a wealthier, stronger economy than SEA?
Maybe strip out the connections and only look at OD pax to/from BOS and SEA.
Google is your friend ...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/20 ... 5b3207966c
Thanks. That list shows BOS at #11 and SEA at #!3. So, Boston is better/larger/fancier/superior than Seattle
iyerhari needs to fix the list shown earlier in post #250.
ncflyer wrote:Don’t forget HOU. I suspect BOS is gaining share from PVD and MHT whereas HOU seems to be growing pretty steadily too. Plus with the UA/CO merger DEN is a superior choice for east west connections, now that UA has better alternative than CO had 10 years ago. But saying that BOS growth damn impressive, especially internationally. I just don’t agree that Houston has stagnated.
VS4ever wrote:
Now I have to figure out how to Shoehorn this into my Terminal E analysis because I need a size 14 shoe to do it.
FGITD, any help you can provide with those who generally get towed off gates between 7 and 9 would be greatly appreciated
FGITD wrote:VS4ever wrote:
Now I have to figure out how to Shoehorn this into my Terminal E analysis because I need a size 14 shoe to do it.
FGITD, any help you can provide with those who generally get towed off gates between 7 and 9 would be greatly appreciated
As far as I know, only JAL, Copa, and TK tow off anywhere near that time range. And possibly AZ, but I believe they arrive later.
Based on what I've heard, it seems the only real "guarantees" are BA at 12, EK at 11, LH at 10, and now allegedly AF/KL at 9.
Will be very interesting to see the numbers out of E for 2019. A lot of capacity changes for the summer, and it doesn't seem like anyone downsized.
pitbosflyer wrote:FGITD wrote:VS4ever wrote:
I wonder if KL now also being in E will put any pressure on improving the AF lounge situation. Now that BA, EK, and LH all have their fancy new lounges its even more of a stark situation. Although at least the VS lounge isn't bad. Its small, but very well done.
Dieuwer wrote:I get it.
But my point is that it is "unfair" to compare Boston to hubs that historically see a lot of connecting pax. Boston will NEVER be a large connector hub.
You're not going to compare Boston to London either. It will be useless.
So to get a real measure of passenger flow, perhaps look at pax departing OD to Asia only, or whatever destination. But including connections you might as well not list Boston.
FGITD wrote:pitbosflyer wrote:FGITD wrote:
I can't pretend to know much about lounges, but I do know a little about the construction plans, which might shed some light on this. Take it all with a grain of salt, because this is dated info and this stuff changes weekly.
The current AF lounge is set to be consumed by the necessary expansion of CBP. In exchange, AF are given first pick of the new lounges in the new expansion. These will be located along the backside of the new terminal, and therefore will not have a great view of the ramp, but instead have spectacular views of the city.
Again, I have no real clue what's going on now, but awhile ago that was the plan. Wouldn't be too surprised to see AF, KL, KE all go in together on a Skyteam Lounge though.
pitbosflyer wrote:
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. A big old Skyteam Lounge when the additional gates are added. Wonder if it will ever lead to DL bringing over their international departures to free up space at A.
NickolayAv wrote:RAM is official.
3x weekly beginning June 22, 2019.
Boeing 787-8
Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays
AT 210 CMN-BOS 1705 -1930 x146
AT211 BOS-CMN 2115 - 0850 (+1 day) x146
Northeast748 wrote:So have they settled on a design for the Terminal E expansion?
iyerhari wrote:NickolayAv wrote:RAM is official.
3x weekly beginning June 22, 2019.
Boeing 787-8
Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays
AT 210 CMN-BOS 1705 -1930 x146
AT211 BOS-CMN 2115 - 0850 (+1 day) x146
BOS now gets close to joining the elite club to fly to 5 inhabitedcontinents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa. I was in the taxi last week from Logan and the taxi driver was incidentally was from Casablanca. He was excited that he could do a nonstop trip vs. having to travel to CDG or LHR and spend time in the layover zone.
B752OS wrote:Northeast748 wrote:So have they settled on a design for the Terminal E expansion?
https://www.massport.com/capitalprogram ... it%20A.pdf
Here's a good overview of the plans.
It's not too surprising that AF will be getting a new lounge. Phase 1 will have space for 4 new airline clubs.
NickolayAv wrote:RAM is official.
3x weekly beginning June 22, 2019.
Boeing 787-8
Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays
AT 210 CMN-BOS 1705 -1930 x146
AT211 BOS-CMN 2115 - 0850 (+1 day) x146
ASA wrote:iyerhari wrote:NickolayAv wrote:RAM is official.
3x weekly beginning June 22, 2019.
Boeing 787-8
Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays
AT 210 CMN-BOS 1705 -1930 x146
AT211 BOS-CMN 2115 - 0850 (+1 day) x146
BOS now gets close to joining the elite club to fly to 5 inhabitedcontinents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa. I was in the taxi last week from Logan and the taxi driver was incidentally was from Casablanca. He was excited that he could do a nonstop trip vs. having to travel to CDG or LHR and spend time in the layover zone.
Dude - did you just write off the continent inhabited by Kangaroos?!!
airbazar wrote:ASA wrote:iyerhari wrote:BOS now gets close to joining the elite club to fly to 5 inhabitedcontinents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa. I was in the taxi last week from Logan and the taxi driver was incidentally was from Casablanca. He was excited that he could do a nonstop trip vs. having to travel to CDG or LHR and spend time in the layover zone.
Dude - did you just write off the continent inhabited by Kangaroos?!!
No but he wrote off Cape Verde as an African country. BOS joined the 5 continent club over a year ago when TACV came back to BOS.
VS4ever wrote:airbazar wrote:ASA wrote:
Dude - did you just write off the continent inhabited by Kangaroos?!!
No but he wrote off Cape Verde as an African country. BOS joined the 5 continent club over a year ago when TACV came back to BOS.
Yet Massport (for now) see TACV as European, i wonder if they will move them when RAM starts
VS4ever wrote:airbazar wrote:ASA wrote:
Dude - did you just write off the continent inhabited by Kangaroos?!!
No but he wrote off Cape Verde as an African country. BOS joined the 5 continent club over a year ago when TACV came back to BOS.
Yet Massport (for now) see TACV as European, i wonder if they will move them when RAM starts
FGITD wrote:VS4ever wrote:airbazar wrote:
No but he wrote off Cape Verde as an African country. BOS joined the 5 continent club over a year ago when TACV came back to BOS.
Yet Massport (for now) see TACV as European, i wonder if they will move them when RAM starts
Massport probably wants a little more pomp and circumstance to start flights to Africa than TACV could provide. For one thing, I'm not even sure they're a terminal tenant, and might be treated more like a semi regular charter.
That said, I heard there's going to be some big launch celebrations for KLM, Korean, and RAM. Hopefully someone gets some nice pics of them coming in the first days!
iyerhari wrote:FGITD wrote:VS4ever wrote:
Yet Massport (for now) see TACV as European, i wonder if they will move them when RAM starts
Massport probably wants a little more pomp and circumstance to start flights to Africa than TACV could provide. For one thing, I'm not even sure they're a terminal tenant, and might be treated more like a semi regular charter.
That said, I heard there's going to be some big launch celebrations for KLM, Korean, and RAM. Hopefully someone gets some nice pics of them coming in the first days!
Airbazar - if you see the latest Logan passenger details for the month, there is a line item called North Africa - it is blank for now. Once Casablanca starts, it would be filled. But Massport currently does not include Cape Verde as AfricaAustralia is blank so I am hoping they maybe next.
ghoepers wrote:BA still fly to BOS with A380?
VS4ever wrote:ghoepers wrote:BA still fly to BOS with A380?
Yep and going daily at the end of March
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s%20Boston
ghoepers wrote:BA still fly to BOS with A380?
airbazar wrote:Those are not continets. They are regions. My point is it doesn't matter what Massport says or thinks. Cape Verde is an African country and there is non-stop service to Cape Verde. Is that so difficult to understand?
North Africa is not a continent either, and neither is Middle East or Central America. How Massport aggregates the passenger statistics is completely irrelevant. BOS has non-stop service to 5 continents.
Even your original post implies that: "BOS now gets close to joining the elite club to fly to 5 inhabited continents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa."
You didn't include Massport's regions in your post. You included continents.
iyerhari wrote:airbazar wrote:Those are not continets. They are regions. My point is it doesn't matter what Massport says or thinks. Cape Verde is an African country and there is non-stop service to Cape Verde. Is that so difficult to understand?
North Africa is not a continent either, and neither is Middle East or Central America. How Massport aggregates the passenger statistics is completely irrelevant. BOS has non-stop service to 5 continents.
Even your original post implies that: "BOS now gets close to joining the elite club to fly to 5 inhabited continents: North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa."
You didn't include Massport's regions in your post. You included continents.
Good catch - I stand corrected and thanks for letting me know. I did not know about Cape Verde much and should have checked the details. The quotes here gave me an opportunity to see some stunning pics of some of the beaches and they are like Wow!
OneX123 wrote:Which runway is currently down at Logan? I heard one was inoperable due to construction. I'm guessing, based on the layout of BOS, that this will restrict arrival/departure flow if the wind is in a certain direction.
airway1 wrote:https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282910/avianca-ns19-us-inventory-changes-as-of-12feb19/
Does this mean loads are so great all classes at full fare? Should we expect more capacity?
airway1 wrote:https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282910/avianca-ns19-us-inventory-changes-as-of-12feb19/
Does this mean loads are so great all classes at full fare? Should we expect more capacity?
jworks158 wrote:Question: How frequently do flights from BOS-LAX divert for fuel?
I know it happens, as I diverted on a VX A320 in 2011 to LAS, and a family member was on AA1161 today a 321 and they informed them before the flight that they would be diverting to STL for fuel.
I know I have read in the past that this happens more frequently than most would expect.
airway1 wrote:https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282910/avianca-ns19-us-inventory-changes-as-of-12feb19/
Does this mean loads are so great all classes at full fare? Should we expect more capacity?
Dieuwer wrote:Does the Avianca pullout means that BOS has peaked? Or is this just uniquely related to Colombia?
airbazar wrote:Dieuwer wrote:Does the Avianca pullout means that BOS has peaked? Or is this just uniquely related to Colombia?
I think it's more related to the fact that people aren't really buying into BOG as a connecting hub to S.America where Brazil is the biggest market and once GRU-BOS was started whatever little valuable market there was has opted to fly with LATAM or simply there isn't enough of a market for 2 airlines.