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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:46 pm

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Back when United was in C, the San Francisco bound 757/767s often used C17.


Yes !!
And before that TWA L10's and 747's !
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:27 pm

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Back when United was in C, the San Francisco bound 757/767s often used C17.


Also worth remembering that during the last major overhaul of Terminal E, most of the international carriers left from C.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:32 pm

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Fun fact DL had c20 and c21 for a brief period before A opened and they had a 767-200 leaving for SLC at c20 while our 767-400 to ATL was at c21.


The Song 757s also used those gates back when A was being rebuilt and CO was using gates in DL's pier of Terminal C.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:37 pm

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I was stuck waiting for the bridge recently (after arriving on a red-eye from LAX, sigh), because I always use the PreFlight parking facility when I park at the airport. It didn't feel that long. I think they remodeled the bridge recently to speed up the process. Still, that process should be banned at rush hour. Bridge raising should be limited to middle of the night or middle of the day only.


Yes, the Chelsea street drawbridge was replaced about six years ago with a new span that has a more efficient and quicker lift mechanism (as well as more, wider lanes and better approaches). But "quicker" is relative when you're waiting for a slow tugboat to drag an oil tanker through the channel. The bridge opens eight to ten times a day on a busy day.

They've since added a real-time raising alert system, so it should be easier to plan for it, but with the amount of silver line buses, employee shuttles, and preflight buses means that they'll never be able to dodge it. There's even a twitter account for it.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:48 pm

dvincent wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I was stuck waiting for the bridge recently (after arriving on a red-eye from LAX, sigh), because I always use the PreFlight parking facility when I park at the airport. It didn't feel that long. I think they remodeled the bridge recently to speed up the process. Still, that process should be banned at rush hour. Bridge raising should be limited to middle of the night or middle of the day only.


Yes, the Chelsea street drawbridge was replaced about six years ago with a new span that has a more efficient and quicker lift mechanism (as well as more, wider lanes and better approaches). But "quicker" is relative when you're waiting for a slow tugboat to drag an oil tanker through the channel. The bridge opens eight to ten times a day on a busy day.

They've since added a real-time raising alert system, so it should be easier to plan for it, but with the amount of silver line buses, employee shuttles, and preflight buses means that they'll never be able to dodge it. There's even a twitter account for it.


Most folks wouldn't even believe how many early morning flights have been delayed because so many staff are caught on the buses on the wrong side of that bridge. I've even heard stories of people getting stuck while driving to the garage, then stuck again on the bus to the airport because the bridge went up again.

Explains why so many airlines will pay the higher fee to have access to the employee section of central.
 
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Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:03 pm

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Perhaps the underlying reason for all the problems is that the US is a 3rd world country masquerading as a first world country.


That is why some people are trying to Make America Great Again!!! :biggrin:

Jokes aside, you are absolutely right. Every project is either reactive or disjointed ... not part of a bigger plan ... although, I'm sure Masterplans were created at one point somewhere along the way. The whole BigDig thing was supposedly planned including airport access ... but now the whole area looks like the big dig. I may have opened a can of worms here and people will throw kitchen sinks at me ... so I am refraining from comparisons with other countries. :duck:

But there are some 'disruptive' (if I may) forces that also play a role at times and throw wrenches ... such as this whole Uber/Lyft thing ... or the explosion of cellular phone services in late 90s (changed the way people come and go and hence the cell phone lot). Public access never improved much. I hope the expansion of the International Terminal and the people mover really takes care of a good access to the T services.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:38 pm

BOS Spotter :airplane: Alert :white:

Tomorrow Iberia will be sending an A346 instead of it's typical A333.

Currently Scheduled is EC-JNQ which is one of the few aircraft left in their OLD livery.
I traveled on JNQ between MAD-LHR back in January and have attached some photos on the tweet below.
https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1123292740681388037?s=20

The last time Iberia sent an A346 was OCT 24th. This appears to be planned as a one-off A346 service.

The old liveries days are numbered (especially in BOS) so get out and check it out.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 01, 2019 6:24 pm

BOS Mar-2019 nos. are out.

Total pax for March-2019: 3,457,362
International pax for March-2019 - 631,858
International pax as a % of total pax: 18%

Total pax for March-2018: 3,197,326
AAGR - for March to March: 8.13%

YTD 2019: 8,884,122
YTD 2018: 8,378,794
AAGR: 6.0%

Detailed breakdown
------------------------------

Mar-19 Mar-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1016 2018 -49.65%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 215,487 162,094 32.94%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,601,645 2,446,720 6.33%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,818,148 2,610,832 7.94%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 142,382 117,872 20.79%
Canada 74,654 75,295 -0.85%
Central America 43,907 30,811 42.50%
Europe 265,474 256,929 3.33%
Middle East 51,602 49,652 3.93%
South America 10,846 3,779 187.01%
Trans-Pacific 42,993 43,816 -1.88%
Total International passengers 631,858 578,154 9.29%

General Aviation 7,356 8,340 -11.80%
Total Airport pax 3,457,362 3,197,326 8.13%
 
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Wed May 01, 2019 9:16 pm

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/01/ ... h-station/

"Massport Offers Big Incentives For Some Logan Express Riders, Including A Chance To Cut The Line"

Ride the Logan Express from the Back Bay, and you could now skip the security line and get a free ride back into the city.

It’s all part of Massport’s plan to double Logan Express ridership to 4 million and – hopefully – relieve congestion around Logan Airport.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 01, 2019 9:28 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Detailed breakdown
------------------------------

Mar-19 Mar-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1016 2018 -49.65%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 215,487 162,094 32.94%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,601,645 2,446,720 6.33%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,818,148 2,610,832 7.94%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 142,382 117,872 20.79%


The increase over 2018 for Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean is not really a surprise because 2018 was a bad year due to the destruction caused by hurricanes Irma and Maria.
But I've always been curious about one thing: What exactly is a "commuter passenger" and why are they tracked separately?
 
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Wed May 01, 2019 10:56 pm

airbazar wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Detailed breakdown
------------------------------

Mar-19 Mar-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1016 2018 -49.65%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 215,487 162,094 32.94%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,601,645 2,446,720 6.33%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,818,148 2,610,832 7.94%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 142,382 117,872 20.79%


The increase over 2018 for Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean is not really a surprise because 2018 was a bad year due to the destruction caused by hurricanes Irma and Maria.
But I've always been curious about one thing: What exactly is a "commuter passenger" and why are they tracked separately?

It varies slightly between airports, but tends to be anything non GA or charter that I believe is lower than 50 seats. So for example 9K, 4B
They are pretty much universally tracked separately
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 02, 2019 3:26 am

VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Detailed breakdown
------------------------------

Mar-19 Mar-18 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1016 2018 -49.65%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 215,487 162,094 32.94%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,601,645 2,446,720 6.33%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,818,148 2,610,832 7.94%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 142,382 117,872 20.79%


The increase over 2018 for Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean is not really a surprise because 2018 was a bad year due to the destruction caused by hurricanes Irma and Maria.
But I've always been curious about one thing: What exactly is a "commuter passenger" and why are they tracked separately?

It varies slightly between airports, but tends to be anything non GA or charter that I believe is lower than 50 seats. So for example 9K, 4B
They are pretty much universally tracked separately


Umm... are you sure? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but from the amount of growth coming from “commuter”, I automatically assumed it was due to the Delta commuter (non main-line) adds. Although, I could be totally wrong.... is 9k and 4B adding an extra 53,000+ pax in a single month?
 
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Thu May 02, 2019 3:47 am

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
airbazar wrote:

The increase over 2018 for Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean is not really a surprise because 2018 was a bad year due to the destruction caused by hurricanes Irma and Maria.
But I've always been curious about one thing: What exactly is a "commuter passenger" and why are they tracked separately?

It varies slightly between airports, but tends to be anything non GA or charter that I believe is lower than 50 seats. So for example 9K, 4B
They are pretty much universally tracked separately


Umm... are you sure? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but from the amount of growth coming from “commuter”, I automatically assumed it was due to the Delta commuter (non main-line) adds. Although, I could be totally wrong.... is 9k and 4B adding an extra 53,000+ pax in a single month?


Honestly you could well be right, I was using those as examples, been a long day coming back up from MCO, so for once I will defer and say i probably only had part of the story with my comment. Will know more of the story when the T-100’s come out and should confirm the DL piece.
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Fri May 03, 2019 12:27 am

I read an article suggesting that AA could bring back BOS-LHR. I suppose it’s feasible since they could do it with the ‘smaller’ 787-8 than those 777s were.

Not known is whether BA would revert back to 3x daily to enable that.
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Fri May 03, 2019 12:49 am

Inaugural MAD-BOS on DY just landed at BOS... tail number LN-LNU (Babe Ruth) got the honors for the first trip

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9272960
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Fri May 03, 2019 2:11 am

EK77WNH wrote:
I read an article suggesting that AA could bring back BOS-LHR. I suppose it’s feasible since they could do it with the ‘smaller’ 787-8 than those 777s were.

Not known is whether BA would revert back to 3x daily to enable that.


Do you have a way to link the article?

It seems odd given AAs significant downsizing in BOS
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 7:06 am

Kno wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
I read an article suggesting that AA could bring back BOS-LHR. I suppose it’s feasible since they could do it with the ‘smaller’ 787-8 than those 777s were.

Not known is whether BA would revert back to 3x daily to enable that.


Do you have a way to link the article?

It seems odd given AAs significant downsizing in BOS


Yet somewhat logical given DL's aggressive expansion on BOS-LON. DL may be trying to preempt B6, but they are definitely stinging BA/AA along the way.
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Fri May 03, 2019 11:45 am

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Yet somewhat logical given DL's aggressive expansion on BOS-LON. DL may be trying to preempt B6, but they are definitely stinging BA/AA along the way.

Aggressive expansion is a bit of an overstatement IMO. The LHR service started as 2x daily. Currently it's a 1x daily A332. The LGW announcement lacks any sort of details and it's been filed under "I believe it when I see it".
If we include VS and assume the LGW service will be started by either VS or DL then yes we can talk about aggressive expansion but as of now it's status quo IMO.
On that note I am very curious to find out what sort of LF VS is getting on their morning departure. I've always thought that BOS has been under served in that time slot since AA dropped theirs.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 12:35 pm

Kno wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
I read an article suggesting that AA could bring back BOS-LHR. I suppose it’s feasible since they could do it with the ‘smaller’ 787-8 than those 777s were.

Not known is whether BA would revert back to 3x daily to enable that.


Do you have a way to link the article?

It seems odd given AAs significant downsizing in BOS


Indeed ... also considering there are so many TATL options from their One World partners
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 12:51 pm

Kno wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
I read an article suggesting that AA could bring back BOS-LHR. I suppose it’s feasible since they could do it with the ‘smaller’ 787-8 than those 777s were.

Not known is whether BA would revert back to 3x daily to enable that.


Do you have a way to link the article?

It seems odd given AAs significant downsizing in BOS

Ditto. AA typically has retrenched any market when there has been primarily two carriers - namely B6 and DL on the market. With B6 also planning to enter the LON market, chances seems extremely remote. The market is as-is quite heated and when B6 enters the market, there will surely be a price war.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 1:55 pm

Do you think there will be a price war if B6 is forced to choose a place other than LHR or LGW?
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Fri May 03, 2019 3:31 pm

airbazar wrote:
ramzi wrote:
Yet somewhat logical given DL's aggressive expansion on BOS-LON. DL may be trying to preempt B6, but they are definitely stinging BA/AA along the way.

Aggressive expansion is a bit of an overstatement IMO. The LHR service started as 2x daily. Currently it's a 1x daily A332. The LGW announcement lacks any sort of details and it's been filed under "I believe it when I see it".
If we include VS and assume the LGW service will be started by either VS or DL then yes we can talk about aggressive expansion but as of now it's status quo IMO.
On that note I am very curious to find out what sort of LF VS is getting on their morning departure. I've always thought that BOS has been under served in that time slot since AA dropped theirs.


I don't know. When all the 'I'll believe it when I see it' flights are added, how many dailies would DL/VS have? Besides, BA has lots of room to decrease seats on their flights, so adding an AA 788 can be easily adjusted for. Of course all of that being said, I still don't particularly see what the benefit to an odd AA flight would be.
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Fri May 03, 2019 3:43 pm

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Do you think there will be a price war if B6 is forced to choose a place other than LHR or LGW?


I hope so! :D
Business class airfare is outrageous as it is, considering the relatively short distance to LON.
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 4:46 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
I read an article suggesting that AA could bring back BOS-LHR. I suppose it’s feasible since they could do it with the ‘smaller’ 787-8 than those 777s were.

Not known is whether BA would revert back to 3x daily to enable that.


I just had a PTSD flash back to a LHR-BOS AA flight on an ancient 757. If that wasn't bad enough the bathrooms all stopped working over Greenland, so they stopped serving drinks. I had purposely tried to avoid this flight and was booked on BA, but I ended up having to leave later than originally planned. :lol:
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 5:10 pm

Anyone hear rumors or Logan express starting Worcester to Logan?
 
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Fri May 03, 2019 8:32 pm

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Anyone hear rumors or Logan express starting Worcester to Logan?


I would think Massport would want the new ORH flights to be used and not launch something that could hurt those flights.
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Fri May 03, 2019 9:42 pm

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mspdl wrote:
Anyone hear rumors or Logan express starting Worcester to Logan?


I would think Massport would want the new ORH flights to be used and not launch something that could hurt those flights.


Totally agree, they are putting massive investment into ORH to provide service, the last thing they are going to do is flip around and give folks a simple alternative to fly up I-90 to Logan, kind of defeats the object of the exercise.

To give you an idea.

There are currently
$56.6m of on-going projects (albeit $32m of that is the CAT III, which is almost done.
$16.8m of proposed projects most of which is runway rehab and upgrading
$6.25m of yet unfunded projects.

So a grand total of nearly $80m between now and June 2025, so no I don't think they will be planning to put in LEX in Worcester, it just wouldn't make sense. They've got to keep hold of what's there first.

http://www.massport.com/media/3120/boar ... rogram.pdf (page 51 onwards)
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Sat May 04, 2019 5:33 pm

mspdl wrote:
Anyone hear rumors or Logan express starting Worcester to Logan?


I should hope that’s not that case.

Folks in Worcester can already access LEX through Framingham, and massport has worked hard to add airline service to ORH. A bus to Worcester would make zero sense.

It’s been said several times here but if they want to expand LEX service riverside in Newton is the obvious no brainer. Theres a high percentage of frequent travelers in the area with no way to get to the airport than by car (the T service is so awful it’s not even a suggestible option).
 
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Sun May 05, 2019 11:39 pm

VS4ever wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
mspdl wrote:
Anyone hear rumors or Logan express starting Worcester to Logan?


I would think Massport would want the new ORH flights to be used and not launch something that could hurt those flights.


Totally agree, they are putting massive investment into ORH to provide service, the last thing they are going to do is flip around and give folks a simple alternative to fly up I-90 to Logan, kind of defeats the object of the exercise.

I don't think the two would compete. Bus or car it's still a long drive and I-90 doesn't have an HOV lane like I-93 does. The only advantage LEX would provide is cheaper parking for those already going to Logan because ORH parking is already only $7/day which is the same as LEX parking. In my opinion, LEX from Worcester would not be an incentive to skip ORH. Anyone who finds ORH acceptable is always going to used it. The rest are either driving to Framingham to catch LEX or all the way to Logan.
Personally I think that expanding LEX is a great idea. There should be more. I wish the Woburn LEX went all the way to the NH border where I live :)
 
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Mon May 06, 2019 1:13 am

I was listening on NPR about proposals for high-speed trains from Boston to Springfield in Western Mass. This might hurt ORH , if built, but it would be a great boost for Central and Western Mass.
 
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Mon May 06, 2019 1:27 am

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I was listening on NPR about proposals for high-speed trains from Boston to Springfield in Western Mass. This might hurt ORH , if built, but it would be a great boost for Central and Western Mass.


Those trial balloons go up in the air every other year or so. I am still waiting for the promised rail link to Montreal for instance... :roll:
 
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Mon May 06, 2019 1:50 am

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I was listening on NPR about proposals for high-speed trains from Boston to Springfield in Western Mass. This might hurt ORH , if built, but it would be a great boost for Central and Western Mass.


It would and the Worcester folks have a powerful lobby, but we can't even build a couple of miles of extension line to the Green Line, let alone put the necessary work into HS rail out there when they still share the tracks with CSX. Highly unlikely to happen. Plenty of other things they can spend 100's of millions on to make the the transport network better.
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Mon May 06, 2019 10:06 am

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Back when United was in C, the San Francisco bound 757/767s often used C17.



Btw, does anyone know if there’s any chance that United will bring back 777 to perform SFO-BOS ?
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Mon May 06, 2019 10:33 am

ghoepers wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Back when United was in C, the San Francisco bound 757/767s often used C17.



Btw, does anyone know if there’s any chance that United will bring back 777 to perform SFO-BOS ?


I think unlikely because the other airlines are forcing their hand with ‘premium-heavy’ 757s (not to mention Mint A321s). Those 777s were high-density Hawaiian cattle cars, so not a ‘good look’ by comparison.
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Mon May 06, 2019 11:56 am

ghoepers wrote:
tlecam wrote:
Back when United was in C, the San Francisco bound 757/767s often used C17.



Btw, does anyone know if there’s any chance that United will bring back 777 to perform SFO-BOS ?


When did they take them off the schedule?
 
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Mon May 06, 2019 5:51 pm

No sure, but with the dump of capacity into the market, i'm not surprised that they did.
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Mon May 06, 2019 6:41 pm

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Dieuwer wrote:
Low loads on SK indeed. Maybe it will work better as a seasonal flight?


Not so sure, loads have been pretty bad all year, I think a frequency reduction is in order, just too much capacity for the route. DY did ok when they were on the route, but they only flew 1-2 weekly at most.


Jouhou wrote:
Is this just reflecting the much larger aircraft being flown in comparison to what was being flown for them before?


Perhaps the data from VS4ever is flawed? SAS itself claims "Big Demand" for Boston:

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/big-demand- ... epartures/

To meet growing demand from both business travelers and holidaymakers, SAS will operate daily flights starting with the 2019 summer program. “Boston is a popular destination in the summer, and we are therefore delighted to be able to offer daily flights from Copenhagen. The timetable is really good and offers our customers in Sweden and Norway the opportunity to fly via Kastrup”, says Karl Sandlund, EVP Commercial, SAS.


So the demand seem to originate mostly FROM EUROPE?
 
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Mon May 06, 2019 7:14 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Low loads on SK indeed. Maybe it will work better as a seasonal flight?


Not so sure, loads have been pretty bad all year, I think a frequency reduction is in order, just too much capacity for the route. DY did ok when they were on the route, but they only flew 1-2 weekly at most.


Jouhou wrote:
Is this just reflecting the much larger aircraft being flown in comparison to what was being flown for them before?


Perhaps the data from VS4ever is flawed? SAS itself claims "Big Demand" for Boston:

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/big-demand- ... epartures/

To meet growing demand from both business travelers and holidaymakers, SAS will operate daily flights starting with the 2019 summer program. “Boston is a popular destination in the summer, and we are therefore delighted to be able to offer daily flights from Copenhagen. The timetable is really good and offers our customers in Sweden and Norway the opportunity to fly via Kastrup”, says Karl Sandlund, EVP Commercial, SAS.


So the demand seem to originate mostly FROM EUROPE?


My Caveat has always been, the data I produce is only as good as the data published by the DOT, if that's flawed, so is my data. It is just how it is unfortunately Sadly I'm not an insider so don't have access to internal airline data. That article is also 9 months old, and the shoulder season didn't exactly set the world on fire.

To be honest the issue hasn't been CPH POS, it's BOS POS, definitely the lower of the two directions. If SAS feel that they can attract more pax with a daily service, fair play to them and i can't wait to see the uptick in numbers. 2018 however based on numbers received was not good.

Inbound (ex. CPH)
1.39.89%
2. 26.64%
3. 56.75%
4. 48.56%
5. 55.21%
6. 80.84%
7. 86.76%
8. 77.02%
9. 75.32%
10. 73.99%
YTD: 64.36%

Outbound (ex BOS)
1. 29.19%
2. 23.37%
3. 47.83%
4. 50.43%
5. 63.06%
6. 80.98%
7. 76.76%
8. 82.01%
9. 63.12%
10. 63.27%
YTD: 60.83%

Seat counts were based roughly on their A333 with 263 seats with the odd 343 thrown in at 247 in places. I do think that's way too much capacity based on these numbers, but if SK see future performance and with few other fleet options, their choice is double down or run.. right now, it's double down.. brave move.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 06, 2019 7:58 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Not so sure, loads have been pretty bad all year, I think a frequency reduction is in order, just too much capacity for the route. DY did ok when they were on the route, but they only flew 1-2 weekly at most.


Jouhou wrote:
Is this just reflecting the much larger aircraft being flown in comparison to what was being flown for them before?


Perhaps the data from VS4ever is flawed? SAS itself claims "Big Demand" for Boston:

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/big-demand- ... epartures/

To meet growing demand from both business travelers and holidaymakers, SAS will operate daily flights starting with the 2019 summer program. “Boston is a popular destination in the summer, and we are therefore delighted to be able to offer daily flights from Copenhagen. The timetable is really good and offers our customers in Sweden and Norway the opportunity to fly via Kastrup”, says Karl Sandlund, EVP Commercial, SAS.


So the demand seem to originate mostly FROM EUROPE?


My Caveat has always been, the data I produce is only as good as the data published by the DOT, if that's flawed, so is my data. It is just how it is unfortunately Sadly I'm not an insider so don't have access to internal airline data. That article is also 9 months old, and the shoulder season didn't exactly set the world on fire.

To be honest the issue hasn't been CPH POS, it's BOS POS, definitely the lower of the two directions. If SAS feel that they can attract more pax with a daily service, fair play to them and i can't wait to see the uptick in numbers. 2018 however based on numbers received was not good.

Inbound (ex. CPH)
1.39.89%
2. 26.64%
3. 56.75%
4. 48.56%
5. 55.21%
6. 80.84%
7. 86.76%
8. 77.02%
9. 75.32%
10. 73.99%
YTD: 64.36%

Outbound (ex BOS)
1. 29.19%
2. 23.37%
3. 47.83%
4. 50.43%
5. 63.06%
6. 80.98%
7. 76.76%
8. 82.01%
9. 63.12%
10. 63.27%
YTD: 60.83%

Seat counts were based roughly on their A333 with 263 seats with the odd 343 thrown in at 247 in places. I do think that's way too much capacity based on these numbers, but if SK see future performance and with few other fleet options, their choice is double down or run.. right now, it's double down.. brave move.


I wonder if they retweaked the hub for better connections in CPH - That may help! Also SK should look into interlining with B6.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 06, 2019 8:19 pm

tlecam wrote:
No sure, but with the dump of capacity into the market, i'm not surprised that they did.

It's an enormous market especially when you consider that there are no *A flights from BOS to Asia so UA connects a lot of people to/from Asia via SFO.
I suspect the 777's were primarily a stop-gap measure until they could get enough 752's with flat beds.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 12:54 am

airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
No sure, but with the dump of capacity into the market, i'm not surprised that they did.

It's an enormous market especially when you consider that there are no *A flights from BOS to Asia so UA connects a lot of people to/from Asia via SFO.
I suspect the 777's were primarily a stop-gap measure until they could get enough 752's with flat beds.


the number of UA 752s (all of which have lie-flats) hasn't increased. more 752 frames are available for BOS because the 78J and 772 are both now regularly scheduled on the EWR p.s. routes.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 1:16 am

adamh8297 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:



Perhaps the data from VS4ever is flawed? SAS itself claims "Big Demand" for Boston:

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/big-demand- ... epartures/



So the demand seem to originate mostly FROM EUROPE?


My Caveat has always been, the data I produce is only as good as the data published by the DOT, if that's flawed, so is my data. It is just how it is unfortunately Sadly I'm not an insider so don't have access to internal airline data. That article is also 9 months old, and the shoulder season didn't exactly set the world on fire.

To be honest the issue hasn't been CPH POS, it's BOS POS, definitely the lower of the two directions. If SAS feel that they can attract more pax with a daily service, fair play to them and i can't wait to see the uptick in numbers. 2018 however based on numbers received was not good.

Inbound (ex. CPH)
1.39.89%
2. 26.64%
3. 56.75%
4. 48.56%
5. 55.21%
6. 80.84%
7. 86.76%
8. 77.02%
9. 75.32%
10. 73.99%
YTD: 64.36%

Outbound (ex BOS)
1. 29.19%
2. 23.37%
3. 47.83%
4. 50.43%
5. 63.06%
6. 80.98%
7. 76.76%
8. 82.01%
9. 63.12%
10. 63.27%
YTD: 60.83%

Seat counts were based roughly on their A333 with 263 seats with the odd 343 thrown in at 247 in places. I do think that's way too much capacity based on these numbers, but if SK see future performance and with few other fleet options, their choice is double down or run.. right now, it's double down.. brave move.


I wonder if they retweaked the hub for better connections in CPH - That may help! Also SK should look into interlining with B6.


Speaking of BOS Point of sale. I played around with some summer dates earlier. Connections in CPH to big BOS tourist markets such as ATH and FCO are not that great on the return home.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 3:31 am

January board deck finally got posted, 196 slides, so it's quite the read.
http://www.massport.com/media/3162/janu ... ermark.pdf

plenty of "ra-ra" as you might expect, they seemed to survive the shutdown pretty well , slides 8-9
Next piece of interest: slide 25-31, which includes pieces about ORH
slides 48-52 Dec 18 final pax count and 2019 new service
slides 79- 86, future plans, slide 86 is particularly interesting, as BOS note a slowdown in traffic growth to 50m by Dec 2027, which is still faster than from 30-40m, 500K from Dec 2020 to 2021 as E holds back under construction, then 800K per year after, that. Their prediction for 2019 is 42.8m, which is already looking on the conservative side based on the first quarter along with the plan to grow ORH to 400K pax, i assume over the same period. that's a huge growth trajectory with 4 gates and AA"s cutbacks on PHL is already making that look very tricky..
Slides 87-90 detail the high level projects, based on the capital plan released, there are an awful lot more, but you just won't see them.
slides 104-110 detail a new branding concept for Logan.
slides 178- 188 details potential solar sites at one end of ORH.

you can read the rest of course, but those are the salient points.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 3:33 am

adamh8297 wrote:
And IND or CVG is probably next. Who knows what A220 may make viable.


I agree that B6 adding BOS-IND and BOS-CVG nonstop service will probably happen since IND and CVG are two of the top destinations traveled to from BOS that aren't currently served by B6.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 11:48 am

rnav2dlrey wrote:
airbazar wrote:
tlecam wrote:
No sure, but with the dump of capacity into the market, i'm not surprised that they did.

It's an enormous market especially when you consider that there are no *A flights from BOS to Asia so UA connects a lot of people to/from Asia via SFO.
I suspect the 777's were primarily a stop-gap measure until they could get enough 752's with flat beds.


the number of UA 752s (all of which have lie-flats) hasn't increased. more 752 frames are available for BOS because the 78J and 772 are both now regularly scheduled on the EWR p.s. routes.


At the time (2016), UA operated a mix of 757/737 with no flat beds (I think it was 753's and 739's but I could be wrong). They introduced flat beds in the Summer of 2016 by rotating a 777 from SFO as a way to quickly respond to B6's Mint which was introduced on that route in March of 2016. I think the 777 operated only in the peak Summer months but I could be wrong about that. I suspect the Polaris conversions also interfered with their ability to quickly schedule all 752's on BOS-SFO. But today all flights are 752's with flat beds.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 1:57 pm

airbazar wrote:
rnav2dlrey wrote:
airbazar wrote:
It's an enormous market especially when you consider that there are no *A flights from BOS to Asia so UA connects a lot of people to/from Asia via SFO.
I suspect the 777's were primarily a stop-gap measure until they could get enough 752's with flat beds.


the number of UA 752s (all of which have lie-flats) hasn't increased. more 752 frames are available fokr BOS because the 78J and 772 are both now regularly scheduled on the EWR p.s. routes.


At the time (2016), UA operated a mix of 757/737 with no flat beds (I think it was 753's and 739's but I could be wrong). They introduced flat beds in the Summer of 2016 by rotating a 777 from SFO as a way to quickly respond to B6's Mint which was introduced on that route in March of 2016. I think the 777 operated only in the peak Summer months but I could be wrong about that. I suspect the Polaris conversions also interfered with their ability to quickly schedule all 752's on BOS-SFO. But today all flights are 752's with flat beds.


The 777s were seasonal for a time but eventually year round. For a brief period they even had 2x a day.

It’s a shame to lose the only domestic 777 Bos has ever had regularly scheduled but on a brighter note we still do have one domestic widebody with DLs 763 to slc.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 3:10 pm

VS4ever wrote:
January board deck finally got posted, 196 slides, so it's quite the read.
http://www.massport.com/media/3162/janu ... ermark.pdf

plenty of "ra-ra" as you might expect, they seemed to survive the shutdown pretty well , slides 8-9
Next piece of interest: slide 25-31, which includes pieces about ORH
slides 48-52 Dec 18 final pax count and 2019 new service
slides 79- 86, future plans, slide 86 is particularly interesting, as BOS note a slowdown in traffic growth to 50m by Dec 2027, which is still faster than from 30-40m, 500K from Dec 2020 to 2021 as E holds back under construction, then 800K per year after, that. Their prediction for 2019 is 42.8m, which is already looking on the conservative side based on the first quarter along with the plan to grow ORH to 400K pax, i assume over the same period. that's a huge growth trajectory with 4 gates and AA"s cutbacks on PHL is already making that look very tricky..
Slides 87-90 detail the high level projects, based on the capital plan released, there are an awful lot more, but you just won't see them.
slides 104-110 detail a new branding concept for Logan.
slides 178- 188 details potential solar sites at one end of ORH.

you can read the rest of course, but those are the salient points.


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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 3:20 pm

jworks158 wrote:

I am having trouble getting this link to load.


It takes a while to load because of the number of slides,

You could try clicking the link on this page
http://www.massport.com/massport/about- ... -meetings/
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 4:13 pm

Thanks for the heads up on the board meeting!

Looking at slide 49, it looks like Terminal A is going to get more interesting in the afternoons and evenings in about two weeks - Lisbon and Edinburgh 757 flights start May 23rd.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 07, 2019 5:03 pm

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