jayunited wrote:calpsafltskeds wrote:For what its worth if UA wanted lie flat seating on all transcon flights here are the numbers using Thursday Jun 20, 2019 flights. Total roundtrips transcons are 84 per day:
EWR 38 daily, SFO15, LAX12, SEA4, SAN3, PDX2, SMF1, YVR1,
IAD 24 daily, SFO7, LAX8, SEA4, SAN3, PDX1, SMF1,
LAX 6 more daily, BOS3, MCO2, BWI1 (Total 26 departures)
SFO 18 more daily, BOS8, MCO3, BWI2, PHL2 TPA2, FLL1 (Total 40 departures)
As for Hawaii using Thursday June 20, 2019 flights. Total roundtrips are 37 per day. At this point only widebodies and 752s have lie flat seats on Hawaiian service
HNL 15 daily, SFO5, LAX5, DEN1, ORD1, IAH1, EWR1, IAD1
OGG 10 daily, SFO5, LAX3, DEN1, ORD1
KOA 6 daily, SFO3, LAX2, DEN1
LIH 5 daily, SFO2, LAX2, DEN1
ITO 1 daily, LAX/1
There are enough Diamond 772 seats coming off the sCO 772ER to cover all 19 772As with Diamond seats. The newest sCO units are 2007 (2) & 2010 (2) - it would need half the seats from 1999-2002 build aircraft. Question is if is worth moving lavs and galleys for mostly 1995/96 build units (6 are 2000 build). If UA could get another 10 years out of these aircraft 772As could cover lots of transcons/Hawaii and move the 753 onto hub to hub routes. Of course a split fleet could have Diamond and back/forward lie flat seats, but flexibility would be impacted.
After doing a bit of research you are absolutely correct looking at the current seat map for the GE powered 77Es there are 26 seats between door 1L/R and 2L/R. However if they were to refurbish these seats and place them on the 77A's UA could probably get 30 diamond seats in the same space because the LAV located at door 1L and the closet currently located at 5K/L on the GE 77Es are not on the domestic 77As. Also a slight shift with the galleys and LAVs on the 77As would be enough to fit 30 seats upfront and we can finally be rid of all IPTE seating arrangements. Even if UA didn't want to spend money to shift the 2 LAVs and galley behind first class just the fact that there is no LAV taking out 1A/B means UA could still have 28 seats upfront.
However I do have a question, if UA does in fact start taking delivery of the A359s in 2022 will we see all 77Es begin their retirement or do you think there is a chance some of these 77Es get a second lease on life within the UA fleet but relegated to domestic service in a domestic configuration? Or do you believe once all the 77As are retired the domestic wide body fleet will be made up of entirely of 764s, supplemented by internationally configured the 78Js and A359s?
I think that we'll see the pmCO 77E fleet extended, as they are newer than the pmUA PW 77E's, and have more engine commonality with the 77W's. But I think that affords UA the opportunity to shift the newer PW 77E's into a subfleet, possibly replacing the 77A's, if UA is still interested in that type of fleet. If not, I think they will just make a subfleet of the PW 77E's that are dedicated to certain routes, to maintain parts supply chain, as the fleet is slowly retired. I expect the pmCO GE 77E's to be the last ones at UA eventually.