Iksu
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:37 pm

kruiseri wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
kruiseri wrote:

It would be bit of a gamble, the kind I am not sure I would be willing to wager...

What if the demand is not there ? You have a subfleet of XLRs in your fleet that you have no use for. With A330s/A350s you can always deploy the plane elsewhere.

Or what if the PAX simply detest the idea of spending 8+ hours on a A321 ? Yes, you can still install lie flat seats etc, but if you look at AAs Transcon fleet then you end up with only about 100 PAX. Would that make the economics work ?


Why would you have no use for it? It is still, at heart, an A321. May not be as cheap to run as an ordinary A321neo on short routes, but not bad either.

I think most envision a capacity of around 150-190 sears, including some lie-flat. Thats similar to what TATL 757s have.


Finnairs current A321 capacity is 209 seats in all economy config. Current business config is on average maybe 8 seats less so we are talking about around 200 seats. These are still economy seats, they are not suitable for long haul flights. So a 190 seat config with lie flat seats would be very economy heavy, that's not where the margins are. AA has managed to fit 10 lie flat seats in the space between the L1 and L2 doors where AY has 9 rows. So if you want a config that has say 20 lie flat seats you take 18 rows from the current config of 36 rows. That means a total seat count of 128 which I believe would be the best we could hope for. Even then the economy seats would have the 31 inch pitch which may not be desirable for a long haul config.

So as someone already meantioned, anything to the east is a no go because of the Russian overflight fees. What we have left is the US east coast, with the likes of BOS,PHL or IAD. and maybe YYZ in Canada. There is no demand in Africa to justify these planes, and DXB / Canaries can already be served with the current sharkleted A321s. So where would you see the need for these planes ? even routes to India need to overfly Russia btw...


You are a bit off here. AA seats you are referring to are First class product seating 1+1. Take a look for example to Qatar, who has 144 seats on A320 with 12 full flat business seats. 128 total seats on A321 is way too low...
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:36 pm

Bostrom wrote:
akb88 wrote:
Maybe someone here can assist me a bit. I've been going through flights I've been on in the last few years. In June 2013 I flew a short flight from Hamburg to Copenhagen with SAS.
I found the old confirmation email and it says I was on the CRJ-900, a jet. However I so vividly remember it being a propeller engine plane. It is possible that I'm misremembring of course but the memory of it being a prop is so strong. I was in fact sure it was a Q400 until I started looking into this and it saw that SAS had ditched their Q400s by 2013. So what did I fly on?

SK1648
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Sometimes last minute changes happen. But at that time the Q400s and the F50s had both left the fleet and it was still a few months before the first ATR was delivered. But they had a few Saab 2000s, could it have been one of them?


Hmm...when was the first ATR delivred? If it wasn't the Q400 then I was sure it was the ATR cause they both have the wings on top which is how I remember it.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:50 pm

akb88 wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
akb88 wrote:
Maybe someone here can assist me a bit. I've been going through flights I've been on in the last few years. In June 2013 I flew a short flight from Hamburg to Copenhagen with SAS.
I found the old confirmation email and it says I was on the CRJ-900, a jet. However I so vividly remember it being a propeller engine plane. It is possible that I'm misremembring of course but the memory of it being a prop is so strong. I was in fact sure it was a Q400 until I started looking into this and it saw that SAS had ditched their Q400s by 2013. So what did I fly on?

SK1648
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13:25 - 14:15


Sometimes last minute changes happen. But at that time the Q400s and the F50s had both left the fleet and it was still a few months before the first ATR was delivered. But they had a few Saab 2000s, could it have been one of them?


Hmm...when was the first ATR delivred? If it wasn't the Q400 then I was sure it was the ATR cause they both have the wings on top which is how I remember it.


The first ATR was delivered 2013-10-18. But if SASViking is correct, it might have been an ATR operated by Cimber.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:13 pm

Bostrom wrote:
akb88 wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

Sometimes last minute changes happen. But at that time the Q400s and the F50s had both left the fleet and it was still a few months before the first ATR was delivered. But they had a few Saab 2000s, could it have been one of them?


Hmm...when was the first ATR delivred? If it wasn't the Q400 then I was sure it was the ATR cause they both have the wings on top which is how I remember it.


The first ATR was delivered 2013-10-18. But if SASViking is correct, it might have been an ATR operated by Cimber.

OY-CIB (plain white livery, with a blue SAS square on the tail) and EC-LNS (in Azul livery but with SAS titles on the tail) was operated by Cimber on behalf of SAS from early-Spring 2013 to summer 2015-ish. There's probably pictures of them in the database, though I haven't looked there myself. They mainly operated CPH-AAR/GDN/HAJ/HAM
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:07 pm

Next weekend, Sat 15th and Sun 16th, there is an Air Show at TKU. AY will do a fly-over with A350 and SK (actually CityJet) will show their CRJ900. A YouTube vlogger tapio_on_the_move (a Finnish captain for CityJet) will also attend.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:09 am

ARN 5/19

Domestic: 440,116 (-12.0%)
International: 1,843,522 (-4.4%)
Total: 2,283,638 (-5.9%)

The total after the first five months is about ~300K lower than in 2017.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:22 am

Iksu wrote:
kruiseri wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Why would you have no use for it? It is still, at heart, an A321. May not be as cheap to run as an ordinary A321neo on short routes, but not bad either.

I think most envision a capacity of around 150-190 sears, including some lie-flat. Thats similar to what TATL 757s have.


Finnairs current A321 capacity is 209 seats in all economy config. Current business config is on average maybe 8 seats less so we are talking about around 200 seats. These are still economy seats, they are not suitable for long haul flights. So a 190 seat config with lie flat seats would be very economy heavy, that's not where the margins are. AA has managed to fit 10 lie flat seats in the space between the L1 and L2 doors where AY has 9 rows. So if you want a config that has say 20 lie flat seats you take 18 rows from the current config of 36 rows. That means a total seat count of 128 which I believe would be the best we could hope for. Even then the economy seats would have the 31 inch pitch which may not be desirable for a long haul config.

So as someone already meantioned, anything to the east is a no go because of the Russian overflight fees. What we have left is the US east coast, with the likes of BOS,PHL or IAD. and maybe YYZ in Canada. There is no demand in Africa to justify these planes, and DXB / Canaries can already be served with the current sharkleted A321s. So where would you see the need for these planes ? even routes to India need to overfly Russia btw...


You are a bit off here. AA seats you are referring to are First class product seating 1+1. Take a look for example to Qatar, who has 144 seats on A320 with 12 full flat business seats. 128 total seats on A321 is way too low...


Well the AA seats are the same seats Finnair is using on their A350, so it is a fair comparison. Also the Qatar seats in that config are not full flat business, but recliner seats. Their Full flat version is C12+Y120, a total of 132. My example was with 20 business seats, so we are getting into similar numbers. According to their row numbering that 12 seats take 8 rows.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:36 pm

South Korea's president Moon Jae-in started his Nordic tour this week from Finland and, among other things, Finland and South Korea signed an agreement to make flights between Busan and HEL possible. For a long time the Korean government was reluctant to allow (with lobbying from KE and OZ) long-haul flights from PUS, so it would be interesting to know if AY will be able to fly there completely freely or if they had to make some sacrifices.

Moon and Niinisto also agreed that active exchanges between the people of the two countries are the basis of improving bilateral ties. To this end, they agreed to open a new direct air route between Busan and Helsinki.
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According to the Blue House, the two countries signed a memorandum of understanding that a Busan-Helsinki route will be operated starting in March 2020. Three weekly flights will be offered and it will be the first direct route to Europe from Gimhae International Airport.


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Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:38 pm

 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:33 pm

Bostrom wrote:


«Old» photo as it has even been painted
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:03 pm

Someone83 wrote:
«Old» photo as it has even been painted


You're right, I didn't check the date of the photo. It looks a lot better with paint!

ImageF-WWCE by Luc Verkoyen, on Flickr
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:17 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
«Old» photo as it has even been painted


You're right, I didn't check the date of the photo. It looks a lot better with paint!

ImageF-WWCE by Luc Verkoyen, on Flickr


Looks good! I look forward to fly it, hopefully later this year, or next :-)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am

Airlineroute.net reports that Atlantic Airways based in the Faeroe Islands will extend their recently launched route from Vagar to Paris, to be twice weekly throughout the winter 2019/2020 season with an A319

Not sure what to make of this apart but it seems like a lot of seats to fill when the weather is poor. Maybe someone who knows the air transport market in the Faeroe Islands better than me might be able to comment or provide useful insight
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:33 am

Maybe not completely relevant but anyone seen what's been going on with Iceland and Turkey? :rotfl:
Their national team landed here yesterday after a direct charter from Konya. They had to go through airport security and passport check at KEF after landing and that has set off a diplomatic incident.
Because they had to go through security........at an airport....with luggage full of liquid and electronics......at an airport...... :spin:

Anyway, they're in for a shock if they ever play a match in the US for instance :rotfl:
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:56 am

akb88 wrote:
Maybe not completely relevant but anyone seen what's been going on with Iceland and Turkey? :rotfl:
Their national team landed here yesterday after a direct charter from Konya. They had to go through airport security and passport check at KEF after landing and that has set off a diplomatic incident.
Because they had to go through security........at an airport....with luggage full of liquid and electronics......at an airport...... :spin:

Anyway, they're in for a shock if they ever play a match in the US for instance :rotfl:


Immigration or passport control is in the secure area of the airport. To get there you have to go through security check.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:59 am

mjoelnir wrote:
akb88 wrote:
Maybe not completely relevant but anyone seen what's been going on with Iceland and Turkey? :rotfl:
Their national team landed here yesterday after a direct charter from Konya. They had to go through airport security and passport check at KEF after landing and that has set off a diplomatic incident.
Because they had to go through security........at an airport....with luggage full of liquid and electronics......at an airport...... :spin:

Anyway, they're in for a shock if they ever play a match in the US for instance :rotfl:


Immigration or passport control is in the secure area of the airport. To get there you have to go through security check.


Yes....and that's what they are upset about, amongst other things. You'd think pro footballers who travel all over the world would know this..........
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:05 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Airlineroute.net reports that Atlantic Airways based in the Faeroe Islands will extend their recently launched route from Vagar to Paris, to be twice weekly throughout the winter 2019/2020 season with an A319

Not sure what to make of this apart but it seems like a lot of seats to fill when the weather is poor. Maybe someone who knows the air transport market in the Faeroe Islands better than me might be able to comment or provide useful insight

Once Faroese people have landed in Paris they have unlimited posibilities to reach places with nice weather and other nice places. Even more so than relying solely on Copenhagen and London as stepping stones to reach the world. Three stones are better than two.

Maybe you imagine that this winter service is mainly to serve foreign tourism on the islands? I don't.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:15 am

Oykie wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
«Old» photo as it has even been painted


You're right, I didn't check the date of the photo. It looks a lot better with paint!

ImageF-WWCE by Luc Verkoyen, on Flickr


Looks good! I look forward to fly it, hopefully later this year, or next :-)


When is the expected delivery date to SK?
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:49 am

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When is the expected delivery date to SK?


Late June or early July
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:17 am

Someone83 wrote:
aviationlover7 wrote:

When is the expected delivery date to SK?


Late June or early July


So about 1 month late. Anybody know why delivery was delayed? Seat installation?
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:15 am

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Late June or early July


So about 1 month late. Anybody know why delivery was delayed? Seat installation?[/quote]

It was either seat or other interior items. It was also sent to CHR for paint, before it returned to TLS for its cabin
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:33 am

According to The Kathmandu Post, Finland wants to sign an air service agreement with Nepal. Apparently, Finnair has expressed its interest in operating direct flights to Kathmandu, as the site says. TK is currently the only carrier flying directly between Europe and Kathmandu. I can see AY flying to Nepal in the future but not very soon.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:14 pm

German carrier WDL Aviation will operate AY's flights to HAM and HAJ during July and August. It's the same airline that ended up to EDI instead of DUS from LCY earlier this year.
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:16 pm

Keflavík Airport May numbers

departing 182,351, arriving 195,666, transferring 202.684, together 580.701, down 30.4% from May 2018
The biggest redaction is transfer passengers at - 46.2%

Year today
departing 951,209, arriving 949,191, transferring 785,086, together 2,685,486, down 17.9% from 2018
The biggest redaction is transfer passengers at - 33.9%
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:48 am

Check-in.dk says SAS' first A350 will be based at CPH and will be flying on routes to Beijing, Chicago, New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and San Francisco.

What do you think about how the A350s will be distributed among SAS' hubs? I believe most of them will be based at CPH.
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:51 am

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SAS' first A350 will be based at CPH and will be flying on routes to Beijing, Chicago, New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and San Francisco.

Check-in.dk

First "proper" flight is 28 January 2020. SK943 CPH-ORD (currently still listed as operated by an A340). However in December 2019 and early January 2020 it will operate training flights in Scandinavia
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:02 am

Configuration will be: 40 SAS Business / 32 SAS Plus / 228 SAS Go

The aircraft will be based at CPH and first route will be Chicago from January 28 2020, and during 2020 is is also planned to be used on Beijing, New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and San Francisco.

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-announc ... -features/

However I assume it will be used on short haul for traning/familization flight before this

All A350s will probably be based at CPH
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:52 am

Bostrom wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
«Old» photo as it has even been painted


You're right, I didn't check the date of the photo. It looks a lot better with paint!

ImageF-WWCE by Luc Verkoyen, on Flickr


Those two-tone engines make it look like they have replaced cowling with some random parts.
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:50 am

They don’t say anything what will happen with the 340 it replaces? Will they take it off or try out something new?
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:55 am

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They don’t say anything what will happen with the 340 it replaces? Will they take it off or try out something new?


SAS and the A340? The spare A340, LN-RKP, will leave the fleet when the new A330 arrives. I assume the A340 it replaces will become the new spare long haul plane.
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:03 am

They have not said anything about what will happen with the remaining 7 A340s, after LN-RKP leaves within a month and the A350s start arriving. While it in the start w can be held as back-up, the A350s are intended to replace the A340s. However, while nothing concrete or final, SAS has previously suggested they might keep some in able to start some new routes. Or at least that was/is a possibility
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:15 am

Someone83 wrote:
They have not said anything about what will happen with the remaining 7 A340s, after LN-RKP leaves within a month and the A350s start arriving. While it in the start w can be held as back-up, the A350s are intended to replace the A340s. However, while nothing concrete or final, SAS has previously suggested they might keep some in able to start some new routes. Or at least that was/is a possibility


I don't see a case for the A340's at SAS, after the arrival of the A350's. Remember SAS will also get A321LR's to start new routes in eastern US/Canada from OSL/ARN/CPH or secondary Scandinavian cities. There could be a case for GOT-EWR with A321LR's, in rotation to ARN, so ARN-EWR gets +3 weekly, and GOT-EWR is 4 weekly.

From what I've heard, the Eco Plus cabin on the A350's will be 2-4-2, which would be great!
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:45 am

The A350 will be SAS largest aircraft (by seats), since the 747-200's, which was phased out in 1987 (pax version).
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:14 pm

I have read somewhere that if the oil price is low their position was to wait and perhaps use them for new routes, as a try out. I wasn’t sure if they now also announced anything on that
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:57 pm

Norwegian will start year-round 5x weekly KEF-TFS and 2x weekly KEF-LPA flights, starting in late October. This means they're now by far the largest carrier in the Iceland-Spain market, given they already operate year-round to ALC, BCN and MAD.
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:47 pm

Eurowings resumes daily HAM-OSL flights from winter 2019.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w19/
 
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:05 pm

Today on June 13, Eurostat released the route statistics for the entire 2018. The most notable things are London first time ever (I believe) surpassing the milestone of 1,000,000 passengers from HEL and Tokyo surpassing 400,000 passengers. HEL–CPH is not far away from surpassing 1,000,000 passengers either. PAX numbers to FRA and TXL saw a slight decline but other 18 routes in Top 20 saw growth in PAX volume. For me, intercontinental traffic is more interesting than European traffic from HEL and thus I listed the Top 14 intercontinental routes out of HEL:

    Airport__PAX volume________PLF
  1. NRT____425,576 (+22.2%)____89.4%
  2. BKK____357,542 (+18.7%)____91.5%
  3. HKG____278,599 (+17.5%)____88.8%
  4. ICN_____216,836 (+8.8%)_____90.4%
  5. DOH____208,767 (+91.3%)____71.5%
  6. SIN_____197,564 (+9.9%)_____87.5%
  7. PVG____188,306 (+1.8%)_____87.7%
  8. PEK____186,606 (+7.3%)_____82.2%
  9. JFK_____175,101 (+3.2%)_____85.6%
  10. KIX_____161,799 (-0.3%)_____87.5%
  11. NGO____138,933 (+3.8%)_____78.5%
  12. DEL_____118,974 (+21.5%)____84.4%
  13. DXB____118,480 (+22.3%)_____80.5%
  14. ORD____90,550 (+36.9%)______83.7%

PLFs are also decent. DOH is only 71% but that I think is similar to loads from CPH and ARN to DOH.

For 2019's statistics, I expect PVG to increase to nearly 300,000 (if not over 300K) as Juneyao launches daily flights to HEL. HKG will surely go over 300,000 (more likely around 350,000). Osaka, Singapore and Beijing have also good chances to surpass PAX volume of 200,000 this year.

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Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:39 pm

minilinde wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
They have not said anything about what will happen with the remaining 7 A340s, after LN-RKP leaves within a month and the A350s start arriving. While it in the start w can be held as back-up, the A350s are intended to replace the A340s. However, while nothing concrete or final, SAS has previously suggested they might keep some in able to start some new routes. Or at least that was/is a possibility


I don't see a case for the A340's at SAS, after the arrival of the A350's. Remember SAS will also get A321LR's to start new routes in eastern US/Canada from OSL/ARN/CPH or secondary Scandinavian cities. There could be a case for GOT-EWR with A321LR's, in rotation to ARN, so ARN-EWR gets +3 weekly, and GOT-EWR is 4 weekly.

From what I've heard, the Eco Plus cabin on the A350's will be 2-4-2, which would be great!


They own most of the A340s, so there are no leasing costs. And the resale value is low, so it doesn't cost much for SAS to keep them, even if they don't fly daily. They also have better range than the A321LRs.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:41 pm

SASViking wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
SAS' first A350 will be based at CPH and will be flying on routes to Beijing, Chicago, New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and San Francisco.

Check-in.dk

First "proper" flight is 28 January 2020. SK943 CPH-ORD (currently still listed as operated by an A340). However in December 2019 and early January 2020 it will operate training flights in Scandinavia


Excellent..Does it mean we will see it soon on some intra-Scandinc/European flights out of CPH/ARN? If so keep us posted so we can book!!
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:48 pm

Just walked past the new E pier at CPH - looked very nice on my way to the rather more scruffy F pier

I understand that flights at the E pier began on 04 June (ie last week) but has the whole pier become operational or just a section of it ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:58 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Just walked past the new E pier at CPH - looked very nice on my way to the rather more scruffy F pier

I understand that flights at the E pier began on 04 June (ie last week) but has the whole pier become operational or just a section of it ?


It is just the first part. Something like one or two gates and some bus gates
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:05 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
SASViking wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
SAS' first A350 will be based at CPH and will be flying on routes to Beijing, Chicago, New York, Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong and San Francisco.

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First "proper" flight is 28 January 2020. SK943 CPH-ORD (currently still listed as operated by an A340). However in December 2019 and early January 2020 it will operate training flights in Scandinavia


Excellent..Does it mean we will see it soon on some intra-Scandinc/European flights out of CPH/ARN? If so keep us posted so we can book!!

It will be delivered in late-November. But yes, the plan is to operate some crew familiarization flights on short haul. Whether or not these will be bookable is not yet confirmed, but if/when it is, I will definitely keep you updated :)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:06 am

marcogr12 wrote:
Excellent..Does it mean we will see it soon on some intra-Scandinc/European flights out of CPH/ARN? If so keep us posted so we can book!!


Yes, from internal announcement: By end of 2019, the aircraft will be delivered from the Airbus factory in Toulouse. Following delivery, it will fly training flights in Scandinavia during December and January to educate pilots and crew.

Just like when SAS received the first A330/340's, training on intrascand flights.
I'll update here once the first A350's are in the schedule!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:16 pm

Last SK 737-600 flight in the schedule right now is UME-ARN SK35 on 1st of December.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:33 pm

The same for CPH. Here is the list of Top 14 intercontinental routes out of CPH, including PAX volume and load factors for each route.

    Code___PAX volume________PLF
  1. NYC____386,382 (+6.1%)____88.9%
  2. DXB____352,789 (+0.8%)____76.1%
  3. DOH____315,643 (+11.4%)___71.0%
  4. BKK____269,203 (-4.3%)_____81.1%
  5. PEK____170,714 (+20.7%)____75.1%
  6. YYZ____163,163 (+4.1%)_____84.6%
  7. SFO____151,497 (+3.4%)_____85.4%
  8. NRT____147,011 (+1.8%)_____88.9%
  9. PVG____141,421 (-1.7%)_____82.6%
  10. ORD____139,969 (+5.5%)_____78.9%
  11. IAD_____136,147 (+0.8%)_____78.6%
  12. SIN_____120,194 (+2.4%)_____87.0%
  13. LAX_____77,763 (+3.1%)_____86.4%
  14. DEL_____75,911 (N/A)________78.3%

PLFs on these routes are not as good as on comparable routes to HEL but not bad at all. The PAX growth on these routes, however, is surprisingly low in general.

Eurostat – Database
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:19 am

According to cph facebook site QR Will operate an A350-1000 tomorrow.

https://www.facebook.com/10833548255700 ... 643841701/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:35 pm

So has AY officially announced PUS? It's been added in Wikipedia but no direct flights available at finnair.com yet.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:47 pm

Very strong rumours that QR are happy with their new Gothenburg service and will increase the 787 route to a daily flight in November, less than a year after it was launched as 5 weekly!
During winter season the most popular connections are to Southeast Asia, while during summer season that shifts to Middle East (mainly Iran & Iraq!).

And Cargo is apparently performing exceptionally well!
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:09 pm

Eurostat statistics show that 53,159 passengers flew between Copenhagen and Hong Kong last year onboard Cathay Pacific and SAS. The total passenger traffic between CPH and China (including HKG) was 368,015 (+29.0%). Anyone know how are the loads on Air China's and SAS' flights to PEK and HKG respectively?
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
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