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Silver1SWA wrote:SANFan wrote:blacksoviet wrote:Can the Frontier A321 fit into Gate 11? If not, then I guess Frontier will have to stay at Gate 12. They could also move to the Eastern Spur. I believe Gate 2 can handle a A321.
The main problem with WN's (or anyone's) use of gate 2 is that it very much crowds gate 3 (on the rotunda.) I'm not sure that WN can currently use those 2 gates at the same time! Perhaps Silver1SWA can jump in and explain the situation with gates 1-1A-2 regarding WN. He would know first-hand!
WN briefly ran -800s out of gate 2 when they first entered the fleet but because of the significant uphill grade it became a tipping risk. I believe the stop mark was moved up a bit to avoid conflict with gate 3 but it really is very tight at 2 and 3 with the current configuration. So 1A, 1 and 2 are -700s only.
That said, there are plans to significantly expand our T-Point (Bag Room) which will extend into the gate 2 ramp space and last I heard (plans keep delaying/changing) gate 2 will be eliminated.
I’ve heard rumors of 1A and 1 going to another airline like Frontier but I have no idea how that would work.
blacksoviet wrote:Silver1SWA wrote:SANFan wrote:The main problem with WN's (or anyone's) use of gate 2 is that it very much crowds gate 3 (on the rotunda.) I'm not sure that WN can currently use those 2 gates at the same time! Perhaps Silver1SWA can jump in and explain the situation with gates 1-1A-2 regarding WN. He would know first-hand!
WN briefly ran -800s out of gate 2 when they first entered the fleet but because of the significant uphill grade it became a tipping risk. I believe the stop mark was moved up a bit to avoid conflict with gate 3 but it really is very tight at 2 and 3 with the current configuration. So 1A, 1 and 2 are -700s only.
That said, there are plans to significantly expand our T-Point (Bag Room) which will extend into the gate 2 ramp space and last I heard (plans keep delaying/changing) gate 2 will be eliminated.
I’ve heard rumors of 1A and 1 going to another airline like Frontier but I have no idea how that would work.
I think the best idea is to have Frontier move to Gate 1A and Allegiant move to Gate 1. Gate 1A can handle Frontier A321s while Gate 1 can handle Allegiant A320s. This way, Southwest can gain full control of both banjos. It looks like Terminal 2 East will be around a lot longer than Terminal 1.
blacksoviet wrote:Does anybody remember when there was a Gate 19? This gate was at the western end of Terminal 1. Does anybody remember which airline used this gate?
SANFan wrote:When T1 opened in March 1967, it was a 20 gate terminal; gate 20 was off the west end of the terminal building, just as gate 1 was off the east end.. That was of course before TSA and security checks so gates 19 & 20 were fit in to the left of the ticket counters at the west end of the terminal.
I remember too that HP used gate 19 for some period of time. And when T2E opened in July 1979, gate 20 was 'relocated' from T1 to T2. Gate 19 was eliminated eventually when security checkpoints became permanent features at US airports; for a while, and up until the gate went away, I believe the airport did have a baggage screening and rudimentary security check in place just to serve gate 19 departures. That was eliminated fairly soon and T1 became an 18 gate terminal.
Regarding the gates at the east end of T1, that whole tarmac area is very crowded and space-constrained. I really don't think the airport would be able to put more than one airline there. IMO, there is really room for 1 highly-usable gate but gate 2, as Silver' emphasized, can't really be used when gate 3 is occupied, and gate 1A is very constrained. (I don't think WN even uses it anymore except for RON parking or extreme overflow scenarios.)
I have no idea what AirBus models will fit into gate 1 or 1A or if both gates could even be used simultaneously. Blacksoviet you state that a F9 A321 will work in gate 1A; source please? I seriously doubt that is true. In fact, I don't think there have ever been any AirBi at any gates at the east end of T1...
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SANFan wrote:In fact, I don't think there have ever been any AirBi at any gates at the east end of T1...
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SANAV8R wrote:
My other guess would be possibly United? They were in the east rotunda of T1 at one point.
jplatts wrote:WN is likely going to be offering connections to AUS, MDW, DAL, DEN, HOU, MCI, LAS, PHX, and SAT from Hawaii through SAN by Summer 2019.
blacksoviet wrote:When will Terminal 2 East be demolished?
Silver1SWA wrote:We actually use gate 1A full time now. It used to handle the international departures but due to high connecting volume they moved them to the rotunda.
crescent wrote:All the Hawaii flights will depart CA in the morning, then go interisland, then return to CA around 1-2pm. There is no sane way to schedule flights westbound to SAN to connect to an early morning departure to HI.
To do connections, you must presume the aircraft returns from HI on a red-eye; WN is reluctant to do that.
SANFan wrote:
Source please?
This is the most detailed info I've seen anywhere regarding WN's upcoming HI schedules and it does differ from past rumors about what we might see in SAN.
crescent wrote:SANFan wrote:
Source please?
This is the most detailed info I've seen anywhere regarding WN's upcoming HI schedules and it does differ from past rumors about what we might see in SAN.
I'll try to find it- I think it was in a brokerage report on LUV stock. I suspect it was in a report someone wrote when WN announced the Hawaii entry back in April. That was a while ago, and the company didn't come close to launching in late-2018 like everyone hoped, so it's quite possible things have changed since then.
Silver1SWA wrote:Well today was my last day at SAN and I officially turned in my badge. It’s been a wonderful 14 years at the littlest big airport but it’s time to start a new chapter. I’ll probably be back someday but for now I’ll be following this thread from some rock in the middle of the Pacific.
SANFan wrote:Silver1SWA wrote:Well today was my last day at SAN and I officially turned in my badge. It’s been a wonderful 14 years at the littlest big airport but it’s time to start a new chapter. I’ll probably be back someday but for now I’ll be following this thread from some rock in the middle of the Pacific.
ALOHA Silver1SWA! I know you'll enjoy your new Island life but hope you do keep in touch with us over here off-the-Rock!
(Heck, we may continue to have some questions about life at WN in SAN and I hope you'll indulge us.)
And Hawaii may not know it yet but they're getting themselves one great photographer soon! Keep those pic coming please, RP!
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crescent wrote:I've wondered why DL chooses to serve LAS-SAN LAS-SJC LAS-SNA
crescent wrote:I've wondered why DL chooses to serve LAS-SAN LAS-SJC LAS-SNA
SANFan wrote:crescent wrote:I've wondered why DL chooses to serve LAS-SAN LAS-SJC LAS-SNA
My guess is they are all routes that AS might want to enter sooner or later; AAG already flies LA/SF-Vegas but hasn't gotten around to the other routes yet. DL simply wanted to start them first.
I also think that since DL has a fairly healthy operation in LAS -- not a focus city really, but.... -- and those 3 CA cities that DL does fly are certainly popular routes that have plenty of travelers, why not? They prolly use what, maybe 2+ a/c to serve the 3 routes so not a huge investment but perhaps easy money.
hawaiian717 wrote:The Mayor and SANDAG are proposing to build a new "grand central" transit center at the SPAWAR site adjacent to Old Town that would include a rail connection to the airport terminals.
https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/ ... it-vision/
hawaiian717 wrote:The Mayor and SANDAG are proposing to build a new "grand central" transit center at the SPAWAR site adjacent to Old Town that would include a rail connection to the airport terminals.
https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/ ... it-vision/
SANAV8R wrote:
It sounds good but a private-public thing will probably lead to years of red tape like the Navy Broadway complex that Doug Manchester is redeveloping.
SANFan wrote:I wanted to share a couple of remarks I found in the minutes of the Dec 2018 SDCRAA Board Meeting found at SAN.org.
In the Chair's report, it is stated that in March 2019, JL "will be providing some different aircrafts." JL also told SDIA officials that they are very pleased with the status of the current route.
I know someone reported in the 2018 SAN thread that JL was going to be changing the aircraft used on the SAN route; this seems to be confirmation and providing a timeline of the changes. (I think it was going to be a change to the 787-9 with a new seating configuration?)
In the President's report, Kimberly Baker noted that in meetings with BA, the carrier stated they are "very pleased with route performance overall." (Nothing was reported regarding any schedule changes.)
The final remark was that pax growth at SAN in 2018 has been greatest from WN, AS and UA.
Nothing earthshattering but some nice things to hear. I'd sure like to hear some reports of how LH is doing and feeling about their newest US route.
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ibthebigd wrote:I would like to see the discussion SAN has with Delta about CDG or AMS on DL or KL/AF.
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I've been noticing lots of SAN-bound flights diverting to LAX this morning, AS's GEG-SAN and JL's NRT-SAN both diverted to LAX, and there may be some more flights as well. Is this weather related?
I would like to see the discussion SAN has with Delta about CDG or AMS on DL or KL/AF.
I'm very surprised that SAN doesn't have an AMS flight yet. I think it'd be a great route for KLM to start with a daily 787-9.
FA9295 wrote:I've been noticing lots of SAN-bound flights diverting to LAX this morning, AS's GEG-SAN and JL's NRT-SAN both diverted to LAX, and there may be some more flights as well. Is this weather related?
gon2fly wrote:FA9295 wrote:I've been noticing lots of SAN-bound flights diverting to LAX this morning, AS's GEG-SAN and JL's NRT-SAN both diverted to LAX, and there may be some more flights as well. Is this weather related?
Haven’t seen any news on this, but as we were pushing off the gate in DEN we were told to shut ‘em down for a ground stop in SAN. Disabled aircraft on the runway, blown tire, etc. Dispatch said 30-40 minute delay, and Clearance stated we would have an update in one hour....and several minutes later the ground stop was lifted and off we went. Still no news on who/what, etc, but it might explain some of the diversions earlier this morning.
blacksoviet wrote:Are both banjos going to be demolished at the same time?
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:blacksoviet wrote:Are both banjos going to be demolished at the same time?
As I recall in the general details, there will be no loss of gates during the reconstruction, as this would cause undo hardship upon airlines. A new 15-ish gate portion of the new Terminal 1 would be built east of the current site. Then Southwest will move its operations over to the new gates, allow the demolition of Terminal 1 East. Clear the site, build the next phase, move in the tenants of Terminal 1 West, tear that down, and the final phase (yet to be finalized, to my knowledge) is the removal of Terminal 2 East after completion of the now-completely-connected pre-and-post-security Terminal 1 is completed. 60 gates, total, 60 operations per hour at maximum.
However, only time will tell.
blacksoviet wrote:Does the 767-300ER have enough range to fly from SAN to CDG? Maybe Delta could start seasonal service to CDG with the 767-300ER. Does Delta still operate a hub at CDG?
blacksoviet wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:blacksoviet wrote:Are both banjos going to be demolished at the same time?
As I recall in the general details, there will be no loss of gates during the reconstruction, as this would cause undo hardship upon airlines. A new 15-ish gate portion of the new Terminal 1 would be built east of the current site. Then Southwest will move its operations over to the new gates, allow the demolition of Terminal 1 East. Clear the site, build the next phase, move in the tenants of Terminal 1 West, tear that down, and the final phase (yet to be finalized, to my knowledge) is the removal of Terminal 2 East after completion of the now-completely-connected pre-and-post-security Terminal 1 is completed. 60 gates, total, 60 operations per hour at maximum.
However, only time will tell.
When the construction is completed, will Terminal 1 be bigger than Terminal 2?
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Agreed on the SkyTeam representation missing, but if I remember correctly from last year's topic, LH is here because of a financial incentive program that allows a new entrant, such as Lufthansa and Edelweiss, time to develop the product whilst simultaneously not splitting high yielding traffic with LAX. After a certain time, the incentive program is over, and full fees are assessed.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:This scheduling issue is tough - how does one do Hawai'i without red-eye flights AND offer connections to the rest of the U.S.?
Given the five hour flight time - plus the three hour time difference - means this is effectively an eight-hour flight (based on departure time and arrival). Arriving on the west coast at 6 PM means a 9 AM departure time from Honolulu, and unless Southwest is going to start 4 AM - 6 AM departure times at HNL, planes are going to arrive on the west coast in the evening, severely restricting their ability to make connections.
I keep wondering if Southwest's delay into Hawai'i is because of their refusal to do red-eyes. Wasn't this a topic here at a.net a while back?
crescent wrote:Someone wrote on the AS thread that AS would move from Terminal 1 to Terminal 2 East and get 7 gates there. Is this possible? Are there 7 open gates anywhere in T2?