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Southwest 737 overran runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:46 pm
by Revelation
https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1 ... 9183498240 says:

Steve Trimble @TheDEWLine

I’m at the @fly_BUR Burbank airport. It appears a Southwest 737 slid off the runway. A witness in the parking garage told me he saw passengers evacuate by the emergency slides.


And pic:

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Any additional confirmation?

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:50 pm
by PlanesNTrains
I’m having flashbacks.....

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm
by Chemist
Here's a better picture:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtwCt-VUUAATzQe.jpg:large

It's raining heavily today in SoCal.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm
by evank516
Deja vu all over again.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm
by NIKV69
Socal can never handle rain!

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:52 pm
by Chemist
Looks like EMAS saved the day, would have been like the incident a decade or so ago, same runway and location.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:53 pm
by LAXBUR
NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!


Seems like more of a Southwest problem.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:58 pm
by NIKV69
LAXBUR wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!


Seems like more of a Southwest problem.


Runway 8 not even 6000'?

Hmmmm

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:04 pm
by mcdu
The 737 is unforgiving on short runways. Add wet and a potentially unstabalaized approach and it’s the recipe for an overrun.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:05 pm
by badgervor

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:08 pm
by LAXBUR
BUR closed to arrivals - obviously. Some diverting back to their origin.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm
by joeblow10
Frankly I’m shocked this doesn’t happen more often at the likes of BUR, SNA, MDW, EYW, etc. where these large jets fly in ... especially when it rains

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm
by Bradin
I'm hearing on the local LA media it is Southwest Flight #278.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:13 pm
by SWALUV
Listening to the Live ATC recording of it now, area of heavy precipitation was over the field at the time of WN278 landing. Glad to see that EMAS worked perfectly.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:13 pm
by MSPNWA
Chemist wrote:
Looks like EMAS saved the day, would have been like the incident a decade or so ago, same runway and location.

Definitely. Chalk one up for EMAS. Could have been bad otherwise.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:17 pm
by electro3k
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Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:18 pm
by traindoc
Oops! Time for duct tape! On a more serious note, looks like all the pax are OK!

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:19 pm
by cynlb

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:21 pm
by WN732
Must not have been going too fast at the point of reaching the EMAS. It didn't go very far into it.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:28 pm
by WPvsMW

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:28 pm
by mcdu
WN732 wrote:
Must not have been going too fast at the point of reaching the EMAS. It didn't go very far into it.


Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:33 pm
by Chemist
I wonder how fast they were going when they hit it? Will be interesting to read the report on this one.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:35 pm
by sixtyseven
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit. :o

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:37 pm
by SurfandSnow
It's been a *very* rainy morning here in LA. Landings at BUR almost always occur on 5,802 ft (1,768 m) Runway 8 since that is the only runway with ILS and clear terrain for approach. This will always be challenging on wet days like today (and March 5th, 2000) but runway extension is out of the question thanks to the NIMBY voters of Burbank. Looks like EMAS is the best possible solution given these operational constraints. Are commercial ops banned at nearby VNY (Van Nuys Airport), where a nice 8,001 ft (2,439 m) runway is available?

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:38 pm
by alasizon
mcdu wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Must not have been going too fast at the point of reaching the EMAS. It didn't go very far into it.


Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.


I'd agree with the veering to the left but based on how far into the EMAS they are; I would have to argue they were traveling at least 50-60 knots still. As I recall, the EMAS is roughly 200' long and is designed to stop a plane going 100 knots by the time you reach the end and the plane is about 120' into it.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:39 pm
by LAXBUR
sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit. :o


As stated several times in this post and linked news article... it was landing. Geesh.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:41 pm
by sixtyseven
LAXBUR wrote:
sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit. :o


As stated several times in this post and linked news article... it was landing. Geesh.


It’s a joke. Ever seen a southwest plane taxi? Cowboy central.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:41 pm
by scbriml
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia. :scratchchin:

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:42 pm
by TWA302
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:43 pm
by PlanesNTrains
sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit. :o


Outfit? .....

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:43 pm
by ltbewr
While I understand that the airport has strict rules on approach for safety and noise limits, like the previous crash there it is likely this plane came in too high and fast and compounded by the wet conditions. As this was built in 1999 this is for sure going to scrap after the investigation. WN is having a bad year after so many good ones.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:44 pm
by WayexTDI
SurfandSnow wrote:
It's been a *very* rainy morning here in LA. Landings at BUR almost always occur on 5,802 ft (1,768 m) Runway 8 since that is the only runway with ILS and clear terrain for approach. This will always be challenging on wet days like today (and March 5th, 2000) but runway extension is out of the question thanks to the NIMBY voters of Burbank. Looks like EMAS is the best possible solution given these operational constraints. Are commercial ops banned at nearby VNY (Van Nuys Airport), where a nice 8,001 ft (2,439 m) runway is available?

Who flies commercially into VNY? Isn't it just GA there?

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:44 pm
by PlanesNTrains
scbriml wrote:
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia. :scratchchin:


So the slights hurled at them and the comment that 737’s are unforgiving aren’t enough for you?

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:50 pm
by electro3k
Looking at the photos... it ended up around here:

Image

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:52 pm
by GalaxyFlyer
WayexTDI wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
It's been a *very* rainy morning here in LA. Landings at BUR almost always occur on 5,802 ft (1,768 m) Runway 8 since that is the only runway with ILS and clear terrain for approach. This will always be challenging on wet days like today (and March 5th, 2000) but runway extension is out of the question thanks to the NIMBY voters of Burbank. Looks like EMAS is the best possible solution given these operational constraints. Are commercial ops banned at nearby VNY (Van Nuys Airport), where a nice 8,001 ft (2,439 m) runway is available?

Who flies commercially into VNY? Isn't it just GA there?


Nobody commercial, busy GA airport with lots of runway. KBUR is a mess. Once in the EMAS the pilots have virtually no steesage, the concrete crumbles as it will and pulls the plane esp when the gear is damaged

GF

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:53 pm
by Revelation
TWA302 wrote:
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Look at the bright side: they ended up within walking distance to Starbucks! :biggrin:

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:55 pm
by vikkyvik
mcdu wrote:
Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.


They may not have actually steered left; airplane could simply have started veering left due to loss of traction.

electro3k wrote:
Looking at the photos... it ended up around here:


Interesting thing is, unlike most EMAS installations I've seen, the EMAS there is actually significantly extended to the left of the runway. That may have been a lucky break...

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:55 pm
by sixtyseven
PlanesNTrains wrote:
sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit. :o


Outfit? .....


Southwest Airlines.

Or to fit in around here, WN.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:56 pm
by mcdu
PlanesNTrains wrote:
scbriml wrote:
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia. :scratchchin:


So the slights hurled at them and the comment that 737’s are unforgiving aren’t enough for you?


How is saying the 737 is unforgiving a slight? Fortunately the CVR/FDR will provide the insight into what took place here.

Looks like a -700 and that is the most forgiving on short runways. The investigation results will be interesting to read.

There is a very easy way to not be the object of internet humor for sliding off of runways.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:58 pm
by PlanesNTrains
mcdu wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
scbriml wrote:
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia. :scratchchin:


So the slights hurled at them and the comment that 737’s are unforgiving aren’t enough for you?


How is saying the 737 is unforgiving a slight? Fortunately the CVR/FDR will provide the insight into what took place here.

Looks like a -700 and that is the most forgiving on short runways. The investigation results will be interesting to read.

There is a very easy way to not be the object of internet humor for sliding off of runways.


I didn’t say that was a slight.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:00 pm
by RL757PVD
Curious for the shape of that EMAS (full size mirror to the north), I've never seen that before....

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:01 pm
by IADCA
Revelation wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Look at the bright side: they ended up within walking distance to Starbucks! :biggrin:


That Marriott also has a nice bar, as well as places to change one's pants.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:02 pm
by many321
Revelation wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Look at the bright side: they ended up within walking distance to Starbucks! :biggrin:

That's what I said. I'll take a venti Chai Latte with that banana bread. :D

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:02 pm
by BWIAirport
Quite possibly the worst airport for a runway excursion based off the proximity of the apron to the runway. If the aircraft had veered off in the other direction, it could've been much worse

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:03 pm
by mcdu
vikkyvik wrote:
mcdu wrote:
Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.


They may not have actually steered left; airplane could simply have started veering left due to loss of traction.

electro3k wrote:
Looking at the photos... it ended up around here:


Interesting thing is, unlike most EMAS installations I've seen, the EMAS there is actually significantly extended to the left of the runway. That may have been a lucky break...



Thrust reversers were stowed so not sure it drifted or was steered. Looking at the photos they are almost halfway into the EMAS. The speed may have been significant at entry into ht EMAS?

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:11 pm
by TWA772LR
EMAS to the rescue!

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:19 pm
by lightsaber
NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!

Tell me about it, two of my team members will need new radiators...

It would be off topic to vent on how the storm drains haven't been properly cleaned out this year and the street water, for such a minor rain, created too many issues. Yes minor rain. But I grew up in Florida. My wipers never left intermittent...

But why a DejaVu event with WN?

Lightsaber

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:23 pm
by mjoelnir
So overruns do not just happen in Indonesia.

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm
by badgervor
lightsaber wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!

But why a DejaVu event with WN?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest ... light_1455

Re: Southwest 737 slides off runway at BUR

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm
by starrion
ltbewr wrote:
While I understand that the airport has strict rules on approach for safety and noise limits, like the previous crash there it is likely this plane came in too high and fast and compounded by the wet conditions. As this was built in 1999 this is for sure going to scrap after the investigation. WN is having a bad year after so many good ones.


Written off? Until they pull it out, we don't even know if there is serious damage. SW repaired the last one, and it suffered worse damage.