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WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:26 pm

Dead ones live longer…. ;)
WOW Air again is just flying long range with A 321 TF-CAT. This is no "neo". In the past they sometimes used TF-SKY, A 321neo for this route and in most times he did it nonstop. So I'm curious if CAT can do it non-stop too…. 6,942 km = 4,3135 nm....more than 8 hours ...

https://www.flightradar24.com/WOW173/1ec2d31b
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:36 pm

It would need to be very weight restricted to make this.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:38 pm

Just saw that yesterday they already used their A 321neo TF-DTR on this route and even this plane made a technical stop at YEG (I guess for refuelling). DTR will soon be back on her way to KEF...
https://www.flightradar24.com/WOW174/1ec33018
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:39 pm

I'm curious to the pax count. That thing had to arrive in LAX running on fumes.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:42 pm

Did Wow cancel (or have cancelled) their A330-Neo order ? I know the CEO birds went away last week...
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:46 pm

2 days ago they also put an A321 on this route, TF-PRO. It didn't make it to Los Angeles, diverted to Edmonton.

Looking at the route of this aircraft versus the great circle route, it's a bit far north. I wouldn't be surprised if this one is going to Edmonton as well, following it's current heading that seems to be on the way.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:48 pm

Checking WOW's website it looks like there is a planned fuel stop at YEG

KEF-YEG 1520-1530
YEG-LAX 1550-1815.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:58 pm

B747forever wrote:
Checking WOW's website it looks like there is a planned fuel stop at YEG

KEF-YEG 1520-1530
YEG-LAX 1550-1815.


So it's a planned flight of 3,069 miles KEF-YEG. Not extraordinary. 757s yawn.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:04 pm

Yikes! Is this an Indigo cost-cutting exercise? I seem to recall KEF-LAX being about 9 hours. I believe I was on an A321 for about 4 hours BCN-KEF and it was quite uncomfortable. Then again, KEF-LAX may be a mission better suited to an FI 767 anyways...
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:30 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Did Wow cancel (or have cancelled) their A330-Neo order ? I know the CEO birds went away last week...


Not all of them.

What TF-GAY is doing? Why is it sitting on the ground in KEF instead of flying to LAX?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tf-gay
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:46 pm

workhorse wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Did Wow cancel (or have cancelled) their A330-Neo order ? I know the CEO birds went away last week...


Not all of them.

What TF-GAY is doing? Why is it sitting on the ground in KEF instead of flying to LAX?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tf-gay


Minimize losses? If the payload was low, far cheaper to do on a 321...
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:51 pm

Looks like TF-CAT (doing KEF-LAX) and TF-DTR (LAX-KEF) are going to meet in YEG. Both are descending right now.

Someone in Edmonton with a camera?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:53 pm

WW173 and 174 are both landing in YEG for fuel.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:55 pm

arcticcruiser wrote:
workhorse wrote:
What TF-GAY is doing? Why is it sitting on the ground in KEF instead of flying to LAX?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tf-gay


Minimize losses? If the payload was low, far cheaper to do on a 321...


Looks like it.

How does the cost of a fuel stop compare to the cost difference of a 333 and a 321 flight?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:10 pm

Gas’n’go, a tech stop only with limited handling is fairly cheap.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Its a bit surprising they kept the route even though they lost their A330 to fly it. They won’t keep passengers long if they miss connections due to tech stops
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:14 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Checking WOW's website it looks like there is a planned fuel stop at YEG

KEF-YEG 1520-1530
YEG-LAX 1550-1815.


So it's a planned flight of 3,069 miles KEF-YEG. Not extraordinary. 757s yawn.

That's cute, but it's probably ~20% cheaper per seat depending on load (even being a "vintage" CEO) soo.. yawn.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:14 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Its a bit surprising they kept the route even though they lost their A330 to fly it


They still have one A330, that's the thing. It's currently sitting on the ground in KEF.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:17 pm

workhorse wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Its a bit surprising they kept the route even though they lost their A330 to fly it


They still have one A330, that's the thing. It's currently sitting on the ground in KEF.


Thanks for the clarification. I thought they lost all the A330s to the lessor who took them back
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:18 pm

All right, both are on the ground in YEG. Parked next to each other, I guess. ;)

Must look weird to pax and locals. Hey, Wow Air has opened a new hub! :rotfl:


...Joking but, seriously, they could try to sell tickets on KEF-YEG-KEF segment. Make lemonade out of lemons.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:26 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. I thought they lost all the A330s to the lessor who took them back


The two that were leased from Avolon left the fleet. But the one owned by ICBC is still with WOW, as far as I understand.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:32 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
2 days ago they also put an A321 on this route, TF-PRO. It didn't make it to Los Angeles, diverted to Edmonton.

Looking at the route of this aircraft versus the great circle route, it's a bit far north. I wouldn't be surprised if this one is going to Edmonton as well, following it's current heading that seems to be on the way.

A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:37 pm

JakubH wrote:
A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.


How did they explain that (the unwillingness to rebook)?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:41 pm

workhorse wrote:
All right, both are on the ground in YEG. Parked next to each other, I guess. ;)

Must look weird to pax and locals. Hey, Wow Air has opened a new hub! :rotfl:


...Joking but, seriously, they could try to sell tickets on KEF-YEG-KEF segment. Make lemonade out of lemons.


Now that would make things complicated and add A LOT of cost.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:43 pm

JakubH wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
2 days ago they also put an A321 on this route, TF-PRO. It didn't make it to Los Angeles, diverted to Edmonton.

Looking at the route of this aircraft versus the great circle route, it's a bit far north. I wouldn't be surprised if this one is going to Edmonton as well, following it's current heading that seems to be on the way.

A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.

It seems that these are planned fuel stops. I can't imagine how they wouldn't be. Was your friend not notified of a schedule change? If not, then that's some bad customer service.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:43 pm

arcticcruiser wrote:
Now that would make things complicated and add A LOT of cost.


I see.

You mean, in a fuel stop like that, the plane does not even stop at a gate, right? And the pax stay on board?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:47 pm

workhorse wrote:
JakubH wrote:
A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.


How did they explain that (the unwillingness to rebook)?


If the flight is full and if WOW won’t spend the money on interline tickets, I could see that happening

arcticcruiser wrote:
workhorse wrote:
All right, both are on the ground in YEG. Parked next to each other, I guess. ;)

Must look weird to pax and locals. Hey, Wow Air has opened a new hub! :rotfl:


...Joking but, seriously, they could try to sell tickets on KEF-YEG-KEF segment. Make lemonade out of lemons.


Now that would make things complicated and add A LOT of cost.


Given the number of flights Wow has canceled on short notice, someone would have to be a real bargain hunter to risk buying such a ticket. Who knows what will happen next since YEG is just an unplanned Fuel stopover? With missed connections from people on the LAX flights, I don’t imagine the route lasting long unless they get their A330 back in service
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:51 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
workhorse wrote:
JakubH wrote:
A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.


How did they explain that (the unwillingness to rebook)?


If the flight is full and if WOW won’t spend the money on interline tickets, I could see that happening


Sure, but there's a number of different ways of announcing it to the pax between "we are terribly sorry, but..." and "go screw yourself".
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:55 pm

arcticcruiser wrote:
workhorse wrote:
All right, both are on the ground in YEG. Parked next to each other, I guess. ;)

Must look weird to pax and locals. Hey, Wow Air has opened a new hub! :rotfl:


...Joking but, seriously, they could try to sell tickets on KEF-YEG-KEF segment. Make lemonade out of lemons.


Now that would make things complicated and add A LOT of cost.

Indeed. Not to mention, inconvenience. Canada is generally an inconvenient country for transiting. Unless I'm mistaken, if you are going to open the plane doors, everyone would have to deplane, and go through Canadian immigration. Then, to depart for LAX, you would have to go through US preclearance. The return journey wouldn't be much better either.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:58 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Given the number of flights Wow has canceled on short notice, someone would have to be a real bargain hunter to risk buying such a ticket. Who knows what will happen next since YEG is just an unplanned Fuel stopover?


Well, that was my point, make it a planned stopover, with the possibility to deplane/board pax. But maybe the market is too small to cover the additional costs.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:00 pm

aerolimani wrote:
Indeed. Not to mention, inconvenience. Canada is generally an inconvenient country for transiting. Unless I'm mistaken, if you are going to open the plane doors, everyone would have to deplane, and go through Canadian immigration. Then, to depart for LAX, you would have to go through US preclearance. The return journey wouldn't be much better either.


Point taken. Bad idea. It's a pity though.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:01 pm

JakubH wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
2 days ago they also put an A321 on this route, TF-PRO. It didn't make it to Los Angeles, diverted to Edmonton.

Looking at the route of this aircraft versus the great circle route, it's a bit far north. I wouldn't be surprised if this one is going to Edmonton as well, following it's current heading that seems to be on the way.

A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.

Is WOW responsible for paying for a hotel, meals and ground transportation for one or two nights?

Seems like booking him on another airline to Amsterdam would be cheaper...
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:13 pm

Sounds like WOW should get into the hotel business: Sorry we can't re-book you for another 2 days but here's a "nice" hotel you can stay at. We'll give you a good price :)
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:56 pm

STLflyer wrote:
JakubH wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
2 days ago they also put an A321 on this route, TF-PRO. It didn't make it to Los Angeles, diverted to Edmonton.

Looking at the route of this aircraft versus the great circle route, it's a bit far north. I wouldn't be surprised if this one is going to Edmonton as well, following it's current heading that seems to be on the way.

A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.

Is WOW responsible for paying for a hotel, meals and ground transportation for one or two nights?

Seems like booking him on another airline to Amsterdam would be cheaper...

He knew about the delay ahead of time and called to ask for a different routing. WOW said all flights from KEF to Europe are overbooked or departing before his delayed arrival. They said they *cannot* book on another airline even when he offered to fly to any other airport in Western Europe. When mentioning the cost of hotel for 2 nights etc., they said they understand a direct flight would be cheaper (LAX-AMS on any other airline) but cannot do so due to technical reasons. He is still stranded in KEF...
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:04 am

JakubH wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
JakubH wrote:
A friend of mine was on the return from LAX to KEF with a 6-hour delay leaving LAX and refueling at YEG. He missed his onward connection to AMS in KEF, with WOW unwilling to rebook him on another flight until 24-48 hours later (with no guarantees as to when). He is not flying WOW again after this experience.

Is WOW responsible for paying for a hotel, meals and ground transportation for one or two nights?

Seems like booking him on another airline to Amsterdam would be cheaper...

He knew about the delay ahead of time and called to ask for a different routing. WOW said all flights from KEF to Europe are overbooked or departing before his delayed arrival. They said they *cannot* book on another airline even when he offered to fly to any other airport in Western Europe. When mentioning the cost of hotel for 2 nights etc., they said they understand a direct flight would be cheaper (LAX-AMS on any other airline) but cannot do so due to technical reasons. He is still stranded in KEF...


Yeah but the flight was cheaper right.....when are people going to get this? You book cheaper flights with low cost airlines and this is the chance you take. If all goes well, you saver money, if things go sideways, you bitch and complain about it and have no back up!!!
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:42 am

Whiteguy wrote:
JakubH wrote:
STLflyer wrote:
Is WOW responsible for paying for a hotel, meals and ground transportation for one or two nights?

Seems like booking him on another airline to Amsterdam would be cheaper...

He knew about the delay ahead of time and called to ask for a different routing. WOW said all flights from KEF to Europe are overbooked or departing before his delayed arrival. They said they *cannot* book on another airline even when he offered to fly to any other airport in Western Europe. When mentioning the cost of hotel for 2 nights etc., they said they understand a direct flight would be cheaper (LAX-AMS on any other airline) but cannot do so due to technical reasons. He is still stranded in KEF...


Yeah but the flight was cheaper right.....when are people going to get this? You book cheaper flights with low cost airlines and this is the chance you take. If all goes well, you saver money, if things go sideways, you bitch and complain about it and have no back up!!!

No complaining on his or my part. Just saying the airline could have saved money if they were willing to rebook rather than pay for accommodation.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:10 am

JakubH wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
JakubH wrote:
He knew about the delay ahead of time and called to ask for a different routing. WOW said all flights from KEF to Europe are overbooked or departing before his delayed arrival. They said they *cannot* book on another airline even when he offered to fly to any other airport in Western Europe. When mentioning the cost of hotel for 2 nights etc., they said they understand a direct flight would be cheaper (LAX-AMS on any other airline) but cannot do so due to technical reasons. He is still stranded in KEF...


Yeah but the flight was cheaper right.....when are people going to get this? You book cheaper flights with low cost airlines and this is the chance you take. If all goes well, you saver money, if things go sideways, you bitch and complain about it and have no back up!!!

No complaining on his or my part. Just saying the airline could have saved money if they were willing to rebook rather than pay for accommodation.


In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:26 am

estorilm wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
B747forever wrote:
Checking WOW's website it looks like there is a planned fuel stop at YEG

KEF-YEG 1520-1530
YEG-LAX 1550-1815.


So it's a planned flight of 3,069 miles KEF-YEG. Not extraordinary. 757s yawn.

That's cute, but it's probably ~20% cheaper per seat depending on load (even being a "vintage" CEO) soo.. yawn.


All the 757's will be gone in a few years from pax service, and 1994 (A321 CEO EIS) was 25 years ago - just about vintage.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:32 am

it looks like they need a fuel stop in Edmonton, I checked and all A321s operating on that route have diverted to Edmonton, must be for fuel wouldn't be anything else
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:46 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
JakubH wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:

Yeah but the flight was cheaper right.....when are people going to get this? You book cheaper flights with low cost airlines and this is the chance you take. If all goes well, you saver money, if things go sideways, you bitch and complain about it and have no back up!!!

No complaining on his or my part. Just saying the airline could have saved money if they were willing to rebook rather than pay for accommodation.


In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?

Yes, that is what I suggested he claims for this delay caused by the airline. Still cannot fathom why WOW would not rebook on KLM or Delta to AMS directly that day.
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:39 am

TF-DTR arrived at KEF only 70min later as scheduled at 5.30 am, so all connecting flights to Europe could be achieved...
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:56 am

JakubH wrote:
Still cannot fathom why WOW would not rebook on KLM or Delta to AMS directly that day.

Because that last minute one way ticket would have been much more expensive than a few hotel nights in Iceland? Did your friend check the prices for one way travel from Los Angeles to Europe himself that day?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:47 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
It would need to be very weight restricted to make this.


I guess, due to Iceland unique geographical location, ETOPS is not a problem - right?!
Seems to be the newest high fashion in aviation, using Medium Haul on Long Range - like LH flying A319 from FRA to PNQ...

clrd4t8koff wrote:
In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?


Yes, if it wasn't an act of god - like weather etc. he is entitled to 600€.

:alert: :alert: But there is a new judgement, nobody knows of! The highest court of Austria (OGH) ruled against AUA to rebook passengers on the next available AUA flight plus accommodation. According to the ruling, an airline must rebook passengers under EU261 on the next available flight; no matter what airline/alliance etc.! If not, passengers can arrange their own travel home and the airline has to refund all costs that occurred doing so. The chances are pretty high, that other countries courts will follow this ruling in similar cases.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:07 pm

JakubH wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
JakubH wrote:
No complaining on his or my part. Just saying the airline could have saved money if they were willing to rebook rather than pay for accommodation.


In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?

Yes, that is what I suggested he claims for this delay caused by the airline. Still cannot fathom why WOW would not rebook on KLM or Delta to AMS directly that day.

debonair wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
It would need to be very weight restricted to make this.


I guess, due to Iceland unique geographical location, ETOPS is not a problem - right?!
Seems to be the newest high fashion in aviation, using Medium Haul on Long Range - like LH flying A319 from FRA to PNQ...

clrd4t8koff wrote:
In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?


Yes, if it wasn't an act of god - like weather etc. he is entitled to 600€.

:alert: :alert: But there is a new judgement, nobody knows of! The highest court of Austria (OGH) ruled against AUA to rebook passengers on the next available AUA flight plus accommodation. According to the ruling, an airline must rebook passengers under EU261 on the next available flight; no matter what airline/alliance etc.! If not, passengers can arrange their own travel home and the airline has to refund all costs that occurred doing so. The chances are pretty high, that other countries courts will follow this ruling in similar cases.


Iceland is not part of the EU, and the issue was occurring on US (and Iceland) soil, not on the return from the EU. So depending on Iceland’s laws he may not be entitled to anything.
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 pm

Polot wrote:
JakubH wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?

Yes, that is what I suggested he claims for this delay caused by the airline. Still cannot fathom why WOW would not rebook on KLM or Delta to AMS directly that day.

debonair wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
It would need to be very weight restricted to make this.


I guess, due to Iceland unique geographical location, ETOPS is not a problem - right?!
Seems to be the newest high fashion in aviation, using Medium Haul on Long Range - like LH flying A319 from FRA to PNQ...

clrd4t8koff wrote:
In addition to paying for his accommodation and meals, doesn't EU261 compensation apply also, so he'd be due €600 as well correct?


Yes, if it wasn't an act of god - like weather etc. he is entitled to 600€.

:alert: :alert: But there is a new judgement, nobody knows of! The highest court of Austria (OGH) ruled against AUA to rebook passengers on the next available AUA flight plus accommodation. According to the ruling, an airline must rebook passengers under EU261 on the next available flight; no matter what airline/alliance etc.! If not, passengers can arrange their own travel home and the airline has to refund all costs that occurred doing so. The chances are pretty high, that other countries courts will follow this ruling in similar cases.


Iceland is not part of the EU, and the issue was occurring on US (and Iceland) soil, not on the return from the EU. So depending on Iceland’s laws he may not be entitled to anything.


Iceland is still a part of the EU laws regarding aviation. WOW (and Icelandair for that matter) also counts as an "EU airline", so yes he was entitled to compensation

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/t ... dex_en.htm
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:52 pm

workhorse wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Did Wow cancel (or have cancelled) their A330-Neo order ? I know the CEO birds went away last week...


Not all of them.

What TF-GAY is doing? Why is it sitting on the ground in KEF instead of flying to LAX?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/tf-gay


TF-GAY is sitting in KEF because it's due to fly the maiden flight KEF-DEL tomorrow 12/6
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:26 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
JakubH wrote:
Still cannot fathom why WOW would not rebook on KLM or Delta to AMS directly that day.

Because that last minute one way ticket would have been much more expensive than a few hotel nights in Iceland? Did your friend check the prices for one way travel from Los Angeles to Europe himself that day?

Yes. A direct one-way on KLM or Delta was around $1100. With the compensation included, it would have been in WOW's interest to rebook (but they said they did not have the technical ability anyways, so I guess that's where the problem is).
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:56 pm

One would think that when a passenger can book a ticket himself, an airline can also do it. What is the difference between rebooking and buying a ticket?
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:22 pm

mac550 wrote:
TF-GAY is sitting in KEF because it's due to fly the maiden flight KEF-DEL tomorrow 12/6


Great sense of humour - well done!! The maiden flight, for the press only I guess?! :rotfl:
And what comes after the media event? An Airbus A320/A321 via GYD (like LH's A319 PNQ route)?! :duck:

MartijnNL wrote:
One would think that when a passenger can book a ticket himself, an airline can also do it. What is the difference between rebooking and buying a ticket?


Are you serious?!
AFAIK WOW is not having any interline agreement with other carriers in case of rebooking. So WOW needs to book and pay like a normal passenger would do - difficult with an airline which is virtually bankrupt... Also, in most cases WOW will argument that the cancellation was actually an act of good - like bad weather, strike etc.! If WOW is believing that they are not responsible for the cancellation, why should they rebook?! And believe me, WOW is not refunding either - only, if you are holding a valid court order!
 
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Re: WOW AIR nonstop KEF-LAX with A 321 today

Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:29 pm

debonair wrote:
Are you serious?!
AFAIK WOW is not having any interline agreement with other carriers in case of rebooking. So WOW needs to book and pay like a normal passenger would do - difficult with an airline which is virtually bankrupt... Also, in most cases WOW will argument that the cancellation was actually an act of good - like bad weather, strike etc.! If WOW is believing that they are not responsible for the cancellation, why should they rebook?! And believe me, WOW is not refunding either - only, if you are holding a valid court order!

This will be interesting to see - if they stall on EU-mandated refund, what is a customer's best way to get it without paying for lawyers and bringing the case to court (in Iceland?). Btw. the delay was not weather-related in KEF, YEG or LAX based on our best knowledge.
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