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AirAsia X considering converting some A330neo's to A321neo's, doesnt rule out ordering 787's in the future

Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:56 am

AirAsia X is considering some of the A330-900neo's that where announced and remain as a MOU could be converted into A321neo's instead so the carrier can grow into markets where widebody aircraft are too big and also allow for seasonal adjustments.

AirAsia X says that the orginal order for 66 A330-900 neo's is firm while the remaining 34 are still up in the air. They have also not ruled out ordering the 787 in the future if potential problems with the RR engines for the A330-900neo arise. If an order for 787's is considered they will come with GE engines

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aira ... SKCN1NE0A7
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:18 am

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AirAsia X is considering some of the A330-900neo's that where announced and remain as a MOU could be converted into A321neo's instead so the carrier can grow into markets where widebody aircraft are too big and also allow for seasonal adjustments.

AirAsia X says that the orginal order for 66 A330-900 neo's is firm while the remaining 34 are still up in the air. They have also not ruled out ordering the 787 in the future if potential problems with the RR engines for the A330-900neo arise. If an order for 787's is considered they will come with GE engines

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aira ... SKCN1NE0A7


A321neo probably has more varied uses in their fleet than A339, which may only be good for low-cost long-haul, a model that is increasingly failing.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:23 am

They just dropped AKL, which is due to be the second NZ failed attempt. The Air Asia X model is erratic. They seem to be very strong in South-East Asia, and some other corridors like Japan-tourist Asian centres, India-SEAsia.... but all the rest falls apart.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:26 am

No pressure on RR lol

They have also not ruled out ordering the 787 in the future if potential problems with the RR engines for the A330-900neo arise.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:34 am

Or probably a potential sweet deal offered by Boeing/GE. It’s not in their interest that the A330neo is selling.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:13 am

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They just dropped AKL, which is due to be the second NZ failed attempt. The Air Asia X model is erratic. They seem to be very strong in South-East Asia, and some other corridors like Japan-tourist Asian centres, India-SEAsia.... but all the rest falls apart.


Air Asia X seems to be one of the most erratic operations. They keep trying routes, but don’t have a whole lot of stability in their long haul network. The fleet planning for the A330s seems equally erratic. Given all the starting and stopping of operations I truly wonder why they are planning to acquire 100 A330neos. A320s and A321s are probably much better for their operation
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:32 am

qf789 wrote:
AirAsia X is considering some of the A330-900neo's that where announced and remain as a MOU could be converted into A321neo's instead so the carrier can grow into markets where widebody aircraft are too big and also allow for seasonal adjustments.

AirAsia X says that the orginal order for 66 A330-900 neo's is firm while the remaining 34 are still up in the air. They have also not ruled out ordering the 787 in the future if potential problems with the RR engines for the A330-900neo arise. If an order for 787's is considered they will come with GE engines

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aira ... SKCN1NE0A7


Let us look at what is newsworthy here.

1. Air Asia mulls exchanging some of the 34 A330neo orders that seem to be not firm yet (not booked yet at Airbus as orders), for A321LR.
Has been talked about before, no decision made.

2. On the question by the journalist if AirAsia could possible buy some 787 in the future, Ismail said the airline had yet to rule out the future purchase of Boeing Co (BA.N) 787s as a result of potential problems with the Rolls-Royce Holdings PLC (RR.L) engines on the A330neo.

I have the feeling both the Reuters journalist and the thread starter try to make more out of this news, than there is really behind it. I would never expect Ismail to rule out that AirAsia could possible sometime in the future buy some 787, it would be bad for business. It is already quite strong to say that only when the A330neo should experiences engine trouble with their rollers, they will think about the 787.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:35 am

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Or probably a potential sweet deal offered by Boeing/GE. It’s not in their interest that the A330neo is selling.

They will not get 787's. The A339 is the most commonsense option for them. 100? That's a real lot, and subbing out that last third for A321s would be a smart and flexible decision.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:54 am

Doesn't Air Asia have a large A321neo order already, 100 ?
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:15 pm

'Had yet to rule out' is pretty weak language. One could yet to rule out that a maintenance base could be struck by an asteroid...
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:22 pm

God the drama. It’s perpetual Groundhog Day with some airlines (and indeed, on anet :lol: )
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:26 pm

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Doesn't Air Asia have a large A321neo order already, 100 ?

AirAsia has an order for 100 A321neo, AirAsia X doesn't.

AirAsia could of course transfer some to AirAsia X, but they will want to take all of those 100 A321s for the regional operations of AirAsia. So if AirAsia X goes A321neoLR it will come from a new order, be it a completely new order, or a conversion of the A330neo order.


As for the possibility of a 787 order. I could see them ordering the 787 for a new Japan AirAsia X brand with long haul flights from Japan to non Asian destinations where the 9 abreast A330 might not work anymore. But the alternative, going 8 abreast on a subfleet of the A339 will also be an option of course.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:31 pm

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Doesn't Air Asia have a large A321neo order already, 100 ?


304 A320neo and 100 A321neo, about 30 A320neo delivered.

AirAsia has of course also the possibility, to convert some A320 or A321neo orders to A321LR.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:07 pm

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a350lover wrote:
They just dropped AKL, which is due to be the second NZ failed attempt. The Air Asia X model is erratic. They seem to be very strong in South-East Asia, and some other corridors like Japan-tourist Asian centres, India-SEAsia.... but all the rest falls apart.


Air Asia X seems to be one of the most erratic operations. They keep trying routes, but don’t have a whole lot of stability in their long haul network. The fleet planning for the A330s seems equally erratic. Given all the starting and stopping of operations I truly wonder why they are planning to acquire 100 A330neos. A320s and A321s are probably much better for their operation

Their strategies seems be changing pretty fast too? There was a time they said they're going to launch SE.Asia-Japan-America flight, and then they said they've no intention of doing so in foreseeable future or they probably stated something similar in other wordings, however it's then clarified that it actually mean not in the next one or two years before they get 330neo
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:19 pm

The 66 A339s in the original order remain firm, which many on this site doubted before Farnborough only a few months ago.

Perhaps that is the real news here!
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:55 pm

Please note that Airasia (operating flights not exceeding 4 hours) and Airasia X (operating flights over 4 hours) are two different legal entities, each with their own Stock Exchange listings. The major shareholders of these two companies are not identical either. Airasia has their order book of A320 family aircraft while Airasia X's order book is for A330Neo/A350 aircraft.

Within Airasia, there are several country AOCs (Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines, India, Japan) - made necessary due to the way aviation is regulated. Airasia X has AOCs for Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand.

Most people see all these different companies as one entity, Airasia. That shows how successful their branding and marketing has become. However, managing these disparate AOCs is not an easy task for management. Fleet planning is one that is causing them quite a few headaches!

The A321Neo LR would be a very useful addition to Airasia X as a little brother to the A333/A339. It can be used on their flights of 6 to 7 hours (e.g. India, China, Western Australia) during off peak seasons or for new routes.

It would be wise of them not to discount the B787 for the future. With RR in deep trouble sorting out their new generation of engines, the Boeing/GE combo will provide a good solution should RR also mess up the T7000. They have also got the other solution, the A350, still on the order book. So, they are quite well covered.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:28 pm

flee wrote:
Please note that Airasia (operating flights not exceeding 4 hours) and Airasia X (operating flights over 4 hours) are two different legal entities, each with their own Stock Exchange listings. The major shareholders of these two companies are not identical either. Airasia has their order book of A320 family aircraft while Airasia X's order book is for A330Neo/A350 aircraft.

Within Airasia, there are several country AOCs (Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines, India, Japan) - made necessary due to the way aviation is regulated. Airasia X has AOCs for Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand.

Most people see all these different companies as one entity, Airasia. That shows how successful their branding and marketing has become. However, managing these disparate AOCs is not an easy task for management. Fleet planning is one that is causing them quite a few headaches!

The A321Neo LR would be a very useful addition to Airasia X as a little brother to the A333/A339. It can be used on their flights of 6 to 7 hours (e.g. India, China, Western Australia) during off peak seasons or for new routes.

It would be wise of them not to discount the B787 for the future. With RR in deep trouble sorting out their new generation of engines, the Boeing/GE combo will provide a good solution should RR also mess up the T7000. They have also got the other solution, the A350, still on the order book. So, they are quite well covered.


Thanks for the great write up.

Does the A321 make money or sense for an ULCC on routes as long as 6-7 hours? I thought that was the whole premise of AirAsia/X, if going above the 4-5 hour range, you need planes packed with lowest CASM/RASM to make money in the low-cost model.

Is there a chance they pivot or start to move up market?
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:02 pm

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The 66 A339s in the original order remain firm, which many on this site doubted before Farnborough only a few months ago.

Perhaps that is the real news here!

You missed the news, they had firmed it up during Farnborough. The real news here is that the 787 is still in play despite losing out on the 34 plane "order".
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:25 pm

I wonder if they're looking at the 787 for range (787-9) or capacity (787-10)? If Boeing starts to discount the -10, a 440-seat 787-10 would be completely unbeatable on CASM for routes up to 10 hours.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:29 am

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I wonder if they're looking at the 787 for range (787-9) or capacity (787-10)? If Boeing starts to discount the -10, a 440-seat 787-10 would be completely unbeatable on CASM for routes up to 10 hours.

They are currently firm on 66 A339's but they will look at B787/GEs if the T7000 is not as reliable as promised by RR.
 
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:25 am

So the order probably has some engine related performance clause.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:11 am

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I wonder if they're looking at the 787 for range (787-9) or capacity (787-10)? If Boeing starts to discount the -10, a 440-seat 787-10 would be completely unbeatable on CASM for routes up to 10 hours.


What is the likelihood they would switch to 787?

It seems improbable they would order 787.

And if they order 787, what would be the first delivery date?
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:40 am

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qf789 wrote:
AirAsia X is considering some of the A330-900neo's that where announced and remain as a MOU could be converted into A321neo's instead so the carrier can grow into markets where widebody aircraft are too big and also allow for seasonal adjustments.

AirAsia X says that the orginal order for 66 A330-900 neo's is firm while the remaining 34 are still up in the air. They have also not ruled out ordering the 787 in the future if potential problems with the RR engines for the A330-900neo arise. If an order for 787's is considered they will come with GE engines

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aira ... SKCN1NE0A7


Let us look at what is newsworthy here.

1. Air Asia mulls exchanging some of the 34 A330neo orders that seem to be not firm yet (not booked yet at Airbus as orders), for A321LR.
Has been talked about before, no decision made.

2. On the question by the journalist if AirAsia could possible buy some 787 in the future, Ismail said the airline had yet to rule out the future purchase of Boeing Co (BA.N) 787s as a result of potential problems with the Rolls-Royce Holdings PLC (RR.L) engines on the A330neo.

I have the feeling both the Reuters journalist and the thread starter try to make more out of this news, than there is really behind it. I would never expect Ismail to rule out that AirAsia could possible sometime in the future buy some 787, it would be bad for business. It is already quite strong to say that only when the A330neo should experiences engine trouble with their rollers, they will think about the 787.


I suspect the Reuters journalist is simply reporting on what AirAaia X said about its commitment to the A330NEO at the CAPA summit.

On the flip side, to expect the journalist to report anything else would be asking the journalist to misrepresent the news itself
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:41 am

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What is the likelihood they would switch to 787?

It seems improbable they would order 787.

And if they order 787, what would be the first delivery date?


These are rhetorical questions, yes?
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scbriml wrote:
VV wrote:
What is the likelihood they would switch to 787?

It seems improbable they would order 787.

And if they order 787, what would be the first delivery date?


These are rhetorical questions, yes?


Perhaps it is not so rhetorical because AirAsiaX' boss said he could potentially consider ordering 787.
Since he said it, the probability it could happen is not zero any more.

So what's the likelihood he would order 787?
And if the airline orders 787 what would the first delivery date be?
 
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What is the likelihood they would switch to 787?

It seems improbable they would order 787.

The likelihood of a switch would be high if the Trent 7000s on the A339 start giving problems that the Trent 1000 has been presenting to existing B787 operators. The A339 will be alright if the Trent 7000s gives similar experience as the Trent XWB.

Airasia's core infrastructure (training, pilots, MRO, etc.) is exclusively Airbus now even though their early history shows that they operated B733s. They have managed to cut costs to such an extent that their CASK/CASM is amongst the world's lowest. To support another aircraft type, some additional investment will be required. This cost will, no doubt, be high in management's mind.

Their existing route network is suitable for B787-10 operations. With the B787, CASK/CASM will be further reduced but its competitive advantage will be lower due to many airlines already adopting 9 abreast economy on the B787 while not many airlines do that on the A333. As we are not privy to their future business model, it will be difficult to determine what aircraft they will need in future.
 
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VV wrote:
Perhaps it is not so rhetorical because AirAsiaX' boss said he could potentially consider ordering 787.
Since he said it, the probability it could happen is not zero any more.


In that case...

VV wrote:
So what's the likelihood he would order 787?


13.43%

VV wrote:
And if the airline orders 787 what would the first delivery date be?


June 2022.
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:22 pm

So, 9-abreast A330neo vs 9-abreast B787?

Yeah, no chance for B787.
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:52 pm

So, 9-abreast A330neo vs 9-abreast B787?

Yeah, no chance for B787.
 
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scbriml wrote:
VV wrote:
Perhaps it is not so rhetorical because AirAsiaX' boss said he could potentially consider ordering 787.
Since he said it, the probability it could happen is not zero any more.


In that case...

VV wrote:
So what's the likelihood he would order 787?


13.43%

VV wrote:
And if the airline orders 787 what would the first delivery date be?


June 2022.


Those are rhetorical numbers, right?
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:04 pm

Oh man, a.net gets thrown into a tizzy everytime someone in the airline industry uses the press to try and assert some control over their suppliers.

Vaguely stating their concerns about the RR engines and that they wouldn't rule out the 787 is just industry speak for 'get it right RR/Airbus when you start delivering or else'. It doesn't mean they're days away from an HA-style swap. The addition of the A321, especially the LR, might be a great idea for them on some thin/mid-haul routes.
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:12 pm

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VV wrote:
VV wrote:
And if the airline orders 787 what would the first delivery date be?


June 2022.

I believe the first slots are in 2020 if anyone really needs it. 2019 is sold out.
 
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Those are rhetorical numbers, right?


You might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
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JerseyFlyer wrote:
The 66 A339s in the original order remain firm, which many on this site doubted before Farnborough only a few months ago.

Perhaps that is the real news here!

You missed the news, they had firmed it up during Farnborough. The real news here is that the 787 is still in play despite losing out on the 34 plane "order".


Very little sense in operating such a mixed fleet. This is just Air Asia X indirectly telling RR to get their shit together.
 
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VV wrote:
scbriml wrote:
VV wrote:
What is the likelihood they would switch to 787?

It seems improbable they would order 787.

And if they order 787, what would be the first delivery date?


These are rhetorical questions, yes?


Perhaps it is not so rhetorical because AirAsiaX' boss said he could potentially consider ordering 787.
Since he said it, the probability it could happen is not zero any more.

So what's the likelihood he would order 787?
And if the airline orders 787 what would the first delivery date be?


He did not say he would potentially consider the 787, he did say he would not rule it out, I assume the answe to the question by the reporter.
Would you expect him to rule out that the ever will look at the 787?
 
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Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:18 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
VV wrote:
scbriml wrote:

These are rhetorical questions, yes?


Perhaps it is not so rhetorical because AirAsiaX' boss said he could potentially consider ordering 787.
Since he said it, the probability it could happen is not zero any more.

So what's the likelihood he would order 787?
And if the airline orders 787 what would the first delivery date be?


He did not say he would potentially consider the 787, he did say he would not rule it out, I assume the answe to the question by the reporter.
Would you expect him to rule out that the ever will look at the 787?


Honestly, I think he has NOT thought ordering 787, neither would he consider evaluating the aircraft.
This whole story may be bogus.
 
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scbriml wrote:
VV wrote:


June 2022.

I believe the first slots are in 2020 if anyone really needs it. 2019 is sold out.

Something is wrong if Boeing isn't selling out for 18 months. Late 2020 would be consistent with keeping a few slots available to win new orders. Unless white tails are built, there is no bringing in closer.

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Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:21 pm

Isn't there some Primera Air A321neo sitting around after it went bankrupt? Pretty new too. They can always lease if they need them urgently. Don't seems to be the case.

As for the 787, oh boy, here we go again. Previously plan was 50 + 20 frames, went out the window after Airbus heavily discounted the 34.
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Honestly, I think he has NOT thought ordering 787, neither would he consider evaluating the aircraft.
This whole story may be bogus.

He was at a CAPA conference in Singapore - lots of media reporters around asking all sorts of funny questions to feed their publications. What he said is just standard stuff. But looking at their statements this year, it looks like RR is the target of their frustrations.
 
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VV wrote:
Honestly, I think he has NOT thought ordering 787, neither would he consider evaluating the aircraft.
This whole story may be bogus.

He was at a CAPA conference in Singapore - lots of media reporters around asking all sorts of funny questions to feed their publications. What he said is just standard stuff. But looking at their statements this year, it looks like RR is the target of their frustrations.


Why is that?

The airline has a lot of A330-300 powered by Trent 700. What's his frustration about?
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/AirAsia-X
 
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:35 am

seahawk wrote:
The Trent 7000


They don't have them yet, do they?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:19 am

A lot of hype on this forum as soon as AirAsiaX and 787 is mentioned. Myself (and many others here) would like to see how D7 successfully can deploy the current 66 A339 on order.
A conversion of the last 34 to A321neo without any additional widebody order sounds like a reasonable move to reduce the risk for the company.
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Re: AirAsia X considering converting some A330neo's to A321neo's, doesnt rule out ordering 787's in the future

Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:20 pm

Asiaflyer wrote:
A lot of hype on this forum as soon as AirAsiaX and 787 is mentioned. Myself (and many others here) would like to see how D7 successfully can deploy the current 66 A339 on order.
A conversion of the last 34 to A321neo without any additional widebody order sounds like a reasonable move to reduce the risk for the company.


Exactly.

What's their plan with those ordered aircraft?
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:24 pm

VV wrote:
flee wrote:
VV wrote:
Honestly, I think he has NOT thought ordering 787, neither would he consider evaluating the aircraft.
This whole story may be bogus.

He was at a CAPA conference in Singapore - lots of media reporters around asking all sorts of funny questions to feed their publications. What he said is just standard stuff. But looking at their statements this year, it looks like RR is the target of their frustrations.


Why is that?

The airline has a lot of A330-300 powered by Trent 700. What's his frustration about?
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/AirAsia-X

A330-900s aren't powered by Trent 700.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:24 pm

VV wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The Trent 7000


They don't have them yet, do they?

The statement was an if.
 
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:22 pm

c933103 wrote:
VV wrote:
seahawk wrote:
The Trent 7000


They don't have them yet, do they?

The statement was an if.


An "if"? An if of what?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:50 am

VV wrote:
c933103 wrote:
VV wrote:

They don't have them yet, do they?

The statement was an if.


An "if"? An if of what?

Surely you're just toying with us at this point. But in case you really aren't clear:

The 'if' was in relation to the known issues/delays facing the engine they have opted for on their A339s. The 'if' was about vocalizing that they will not put up with RR causing big delays/problems. The 'if' was to clarify, as any company would, that if a supplier can't correct the issue that they're already seeing by the time it comes to deliver the product AirAsia X ordered, they're willing to look at something else.

The only action here was to place public pressure on a problematic supplier, they're just doing it in advance of the delivery given the issues others have faced.
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Re: AirAsia X considering converting some A330neo's to A321neo's, doesnt rule out ordering 787's in the future

Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:27 am

VV wrote:
flee wrote:
VV wrote:
Honestly, I think he has NOT thought ordering 787, neither would he consider evaluating the aircraft.
This whole story may be bogus.

He was at a CAPA conference in Singapore - lots of media reporters around asking all sorts of funny questions to feed their publications. What he said is just standard stuff. But looking at their statements this year, it looks like RR is the target of their frustrations.

Why is that?

The airline has a lot of A330-300 powered by Trent 700. What's his frustration about?
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/AirAsia-X

We have short memories - Trent 700 also suffered from fan blade fatigue and they did not handle that issue to Tony Fernandes' satisfaction. Tony is also not amused with the year long delay in the A339 deliveries - they had to source more leased A333s because of that.

They are also not happy with RR comms - insufficient information communicated to customers to help overcome issues with RR products. Is it any wonder that EK is not signing on the dotted line yet for more Trent 900s for their A380's?
 
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Re: AirAsia X considering converting some A330neo's to A321neo's, doesnt rule out ordering 787's in the future

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:01 am

The A321neo (with one auxiliary tank) might actually have a better place in the D7 network for routes that are 3000 nmi or shorter including an acceptable alternate (which would include as far as ICN) in a W8Y210 configuration or similar (AirAsia X does carry belly cargo, and so the A321LR would not work for them). For routes between 4 and 7 hours, the A321neo could be the "route starter".

Now, as for the A339, AirAsia Group, DL, and TP are the only major customers of significant size for it. TP will be getting A339s, but Airbus can't afford to lose the AirAsia Grpup. Other than to airports like LGW and maybe ORY, where would D7 fly its A339s other than to where the A333s go plus LGW and maybe ORY? The current order book is for 66 frames, and currently the entire group operates 33 A330-300s (with 2 more due)...counting the 2 due in, that would be 9 owned, 26 leased.

I have to wonder if Boeing might try to swoop in to steal this order by collaborating with lessors (including itself with 6 B789s that Boeing will place as a lessor) and finding delivery slots for direct orders for a 400-seat configuration (the current densest configuration for a B789 currently would be NH's domestic B789s, which have 395 seats). with something like W18 Y382...and offering the GEnx engine.

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