OA412 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:OA412 wrote:Correct. DL operated FRA-BOM for many years after the route acquisition from PA. The flight was only moved to CDG after DL and AF announced their partnership, sometime in the very early 2000s.
Also MIA-FRA for a very short time after the route acquisitions.
DL also flew to MAA at one time. I don't remember where it stopped in Europe though. I flew the BOM-CDG flight once around 2003.
That's correct. It was a FRA-MAA routing. I cannot remember if it ever moved to CDG when BOM was moved, or if it was dropped prior to that.
TTailedTiger wrote:So sad. They are growing more and more dependent on AF/KLM to get their passengers to Europe and the Middle East.
LupineChemist wrote:I know some family used to work DTW-AMS-BOM on NW and that was around the time of the merger. Don't know how long that one continued for.
I also remember my first time in Europe was flying DL JFK-LYS in 2009. I also seem to remember they had AGP service which hasn't been mentioned here. But that may be a total invention on my part.
cvgComair wrote:Quite a few have been cut over the years from CVG: CVG-AMS/LGW/FRA/MUC/ZRH/BRU/FCO/ORY. Only CVG-CDG remains.
Others they flew recently but have since cut: CDG-PIT/ORD/PHL/EWR, LHR-PHL, and AMS-EWR/MEM.
Semperfi28 wrote:Don’t forget the FRA hub days. I flew them SFO-FRA, LAX-FRA. There was probably a DFW-FRA and a bunch of others. I may remember flying JFK-CPH-PRG & JFK-AMS-PRG.
OlympicATH wrote:jbs2886 wrote:OlympicATH wrote:
This is misleading and inaccurate.
Disagree completely. This is not misleading other than perhaps Norwegian which is actually multiple airlines. Either way, it is not "inaccurate" - especially as the graph is expressly by airline.The US majors fly from many ports in the US to many ports in Europe. BA only flies from LHR, AF from CDG, etc.
BA flies from LGW and LCY. AF also flies from ORY. Either way, this doesn't make a difference because the dynamics are different - it doesn't mean DL isn't bigger.The more accurate way to do this would be by airline groups. BA/IB/EI is effectively the same airline. Same for AF/KL and LH/LX/OS. Unlike the US majors, the European ones kept separate national brands for historical reasons. That's all.
Is it? So do you include AM in DL? What about a portion of AF/KLM in DL? But more importantly, each of these is a separate airline. They have separate management, etc. It would be inappropriate to lump groups together when you are doing it by airline.The no1 transatlantic airline is IAG (even if you group DL and VS together).
So basically that graph is misleading because it doesn't lead to the result you want.
I explained my thinking. I rest my case.
European airline groups kept separate brands for historical and cultural reasons. It's like Delta keeping the Northwest brand/AOC (or American/US Airways, United/Continental). In Europe you just need to keep the national brands or you lose a major brand and competitive advantage.
IAG is one company. So is AFKLM. So is the Lufthansa Group. Yes they have divisional management teams but there is one single Group management, one Board and one stock (they are all publicly listed).
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