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Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:59 am

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:21 am

A measles alert has been issued after a passenger was found to have them on SQ225 SIN-PER on 22 Oct

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:52 am

Australian government has backflipped on the ban on Lion group with officials still permitted on Malindo and Batik

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Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:11 pm

In reference to the post in last months thread about Nauru Airlines making flights to Adelaide for refugee transfers... Nauru Airlines is basically funded by the offshore detention centre as it helps to fill their RPT BNE-INU flights, they operate a lot of charters to Nauru and Manus and other places for both refugees and staff.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:38 am

BITRE for August now available

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1808.pdf

Qantas numbers on PER-LHR were quite even for August

MEL-PER-LHR 1687 LF23.06%
PER-LHR 5187 LF70.9%
Total OUT 5874 LF93.96%

LHR-PER 5189 LF70.93%
LHR-PER-MEL 1682 LF22.99%
Total IN 6871 LF93.92%
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:19 am

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MEL-PER-LHR 1687 LF 23.06%
PER-LHR 5187 LF 70.9%
Total OUT 5874 LF 93.96%


So i don't misunderstand - does this mean that passengers flying MEL-PER-LHR were occupying 23.06/100 seats available, PER-LHR only we're 70.9/100, giving total load of 93.96?

If so, obviously a strong O&D traffic level from PER. Though i wonder what the cutoff is for transit, ie if someone stayed for 5 days in PER before or after the LHR leg, where that is counted?

Id have to observe also then that there has obviously been a huge uptick in QF passengers from PER, potentially at the expense of QF passengers from MEL (given 9/10 was ex SIN/DXB). Perhaps more people are connecting to QF1/2 from MEL now?
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:28 am

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qf789 wrote:

MEL-PER-LHR 1687 LF 23.06%
PER-LHR 5187 LF 70.9%
Total OUT 5874 LF 93.96%


So i don't misunderstand - does this mean that passengers flying MEL-PER-LHR were occupying 23.06/100 seats available, PER-LHR only we're 70.9/100, giving total load of 93.96?

If so, obviously a strong O&D traffic level from PER. Though i wonder what the cutoff is for transit, ie if someone stayed for 5 days in PER before or after the LHR leg, where that is counted?

Id have to observe also then that there has obviously been a huge uptick in QF passengers from PER, potentially at the expense of QF passengers from MEL (given 9/10 was ex SIN/DXB). Perhaps more people are connecting to QF1/2 from MEL now?


I have often wondered this about the new QF9/10. Previously QF flew an A380 ex MEL to LHR. Were there so few passengers on these flights? If only 23% of the 789 is from MEL, then that is only about 55 pax per day. Are there a lot of pax now flying via SIN to LHR on QF?

Regarding the 70% from PER - I believe this encapsulates PER originating pax plus any connecting pax from any city other than MEL on the direct service.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:31 am

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qf789 wrote:

MEL-PER-LHR 1687 LF 23.06%
PER-LHR 5187 LF 70.9%
Total OUT 5874 LF 93.96%


So i don't misunderstand - does this mean that passengers flying MEL-PER-LHR were occupying 23.06/100 seats available, PER-LHR only we're 70.9/100, giving total load of 93.96?

If so, obviously a strong O&D traffic level from PER. Though i wonder what the cutoff is for transit, ie if someone stayed for 5 days in PER before or after the LHR leg, where that is counted?

Id have to observe also then that there has obviously been a huge uptick in QF passengers from PER, potentially at the expense of QF passengers from MEL (given 9/10 was ex SIN/DXB). Perhaps more people are connecting to QF1/2 from MEL now?


It is really hard to read those stats.
Especially when you consider who are ex ADL, SYD etc into Perth.
Also those passengers who are doing a stop over EX Perth.
Be interesting to see once numbers come through with EY out of the market.

However those passengers on the Perth-Melbourne sectors must only be those continuing on to or from London. As I am sure you can book domestically that flight would be just filled up with domestic passengers.


But hey good numbers either way, roll on CDG.... I hope.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:28 am

Its only those continuing on to LHR from Melbourne, MEL-PER-MEL traffic is counted as domestic.

Melbourne is only filling 23% or so of the flight because its going out so full, he rest are going with other carriers or QF via SIN, part of the reason MEL-SIN-MEL was up 25% in August and now Australia's busiest international route.

Also from Bitre International pax for August 2018 vs 2017

Adelaide +6%
Brisbane +10%
Gold Coast: -4.8%
Melbourne +11.2%
Perth +3.4%
Sydney +4.7%
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:28 am

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:

MEL-PER-LHR 1687 LF 23.06%
PER-LHR 5187 LF 70.9%
Total OUT 5874 LF 93.96%

So i don't misunderstand - does this mean that passengers flying MEL-PER-LHR were occupying 23.06/100 seats available, PER-LHR only we're 70.9/100, giving total load of 93.96?
If so, obviously a strong O&D traffic level from PER. Though i wonder what the cutoff is for transit, ie if someone stayed for 5 days in PER before or after the LHR leg, where that is counted?

As discussed in one of the other threads on PER - LHR the 70.9% for PER includes everybody NOT continuing on to/from MEL on QF 9/10. So passengers laying over, connecting to ADL, SYD, BNE or indeed anywhere, EXCEPT MEL, are included in the PER figures.

So from these numbers we cannot tell how many are PER O&D, something it would be great to know.

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Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:11 am

I think what we are seeing is a bit of choice returning to the kangaroo QF route. There are definitely people (finance) that use the Singapore route as an opportunity to stop in Singapore for business on the way to/from London. Some MEL traffic is clearly going that way as well as through Perth. Same goes for Sydney.

Would love to know exactly how many pax are ex Perth though.
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:12 am

Proposed new SIDs and STARs for HBA have been released by Air Services Australia:

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/projects/flight-path-changes/hobart-airport-standard-arrivals-and-departures/
 
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:17 pm

This seems to have either been missed or not announced, Scoot has increased PER to 9 weekly as of this week
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Qantas has opened in upgraded MEL domestic lounges today


I was at the MEL Qantas Club on Tuesday and I can't say that I was particularly impressed with the lack of external views and the limited food selection (although the sweets matched my taste...Not sure what that says about me!). Found a fairly comfy seat though. Preferred the SYD Qantas Club lounge.
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Qantas has opened in upgraded MEL domestic lounges today


I was at the MEL Qantas Club on Tuesday and I can't say that I was particularly impressed with the lack of external views and the limited food selection (although the sweets matched my taste...Not sure what that says about me!). Found a fairly comfy seat though. Preferred the SYD Qantas Club lounge.


Where the lounge is located, it is impossible to have spectacular view anyway. It’s a very old terminal.
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:58 pm

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This seems to have either been missed or not announced, Scoot has increased PER to 9 weekly as of this week


Certainly interesting considering they went to a split schedule between the 788 and 789. Are the increased services on the 788? Also good to see quite a significant increase in capacity to Singapore after SQ upgauging one service to the 78X.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:37 am

getluv wrote:
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Qantas has opened in upgraded MEL domestic lounges today


I was at the MEL Qantas Club on Tuesday and I can't say that I was particularly impressed with the lack of external views and the limited food selection (although the sweets matched my taste...Not sure what that says about me!). Found a fairly comfy seat though. Preferred the SYD Qantas Club lounge.


Where the lounge is located, it is impossible to have spectacular view anyway. It’s a very old terminal.

The lounges use the same footprint as before but have been reconfigured with the Qantas Club on the eastern side (landside) and the Business Lounge using the entire western side (airside) of the floor.
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This seems to have either been missed or not announced, Scoot has increased PER to 9 weekly as of this week


Certainly interesting considering they went to a split schedule between the 788 and 789. Are the increased services on the 788? Also good to see quite a significant increase in capacity to Singapore after SQ upgauging one service to the 78X.

Looks like the addtional services are a mix of 788 and 789. The timing of the services, especially the later TR16/17, are far from ideal (arrival at 0225 in SIN) unless you were connecting. I assume the loads must still be OK though as they've moved to 9pw.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:25 am

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Qantas has opened in upgraded MEL domestic lounges today


I was at the MEL Qantas Club on Tuesday and I can't say that I was particularly impressed with the lack of external views and the limited food selection (although the sweets matched my taste...Not sure what that says about me!). Found a fairly comfy seat though. Preferred the SYD Qantas Club lounge.



I used the Sydney club for the first time a while ago and left. I honestly don’t see the point. It was busier in the club than it was in the terminal. Last time I did the Sydney business lounge it was crazy busy too. The Perth business lounge is nice. I usually don’t bother with the lounges as i arrive JIT and minimise time at airport as much as possible.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:10 am

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qf789 wrote:
This seems to have either been missed or not announced, Scoot has increased PER to 9 weekly as of this week


Certainly interesting considering they went to a split schedule between the 788 and 789. Are the increased services on the 788? Also good to see quite a significant increase in capacity to Singapore after SQ upgauging one service to the 78X.

Looks like the addtional services are a mix of 788 and 789. The timing of the services, especially the later TR16/17, are far from ideal (arrival at 0225 in SIN) unless you were connecting. I assume the loads must still be OK though as they've moved to 9pw.


TR16/17 is now daily while TR8/9 is 2 weekly, the increase has seen 1 788 and 1 789 service added, overall there are 4 788 and 5 789 services to PER. Their loads are 90% plus, it is very rare to see the numbers dip under 90% LF. This may also counter the increase from D7 which will go to 11 weekly from 1 Dec, though that is only seasonal.

From the numbers I have observed from SQ over a period of time their numbers are quite consistant, they do not experience the high and low load factors as most of the other carriers do out of PER. They only other exceptions would be TR, D7 and JQ. The SQ215/216 rotation which currently sees the 78X I cant say that I have ever seen that flight under 90% LF and quite often its closer to 100%. Moving forward I would exoect to see another flight upgraded some time next year, I would also expect that when the 333/772's are replaced PER will see a mix of 78X/359's.

I would also say that some that have previously flown EY and that are loyal to VA are flying SQ now. I have not be able to determine where the numbers that where flying EY have now gone. Both QR and EK LF's out of PER in recent weeks have been woeful to say the least and at the moment I can not put my finger on where those passenger numbers are going.
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:44 am

Now for Flashback Friday

Today mark's 96 years (being 1922) since the inaugural Qantas Charleville - Cloncurry mail service began

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Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:52 am

Qantas has announced they will be expanding discounts for those in regional WA, previously a discount of 20-30% has been given for 4 return flights a year, that has now been extended to 12 return flights per year

https://thewest.com.au/news/regional/qa ... 881008824z
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Certainly interesting considering they went to a split schedule between the 788 and 789. Are the increased services on the 788? Also good to see quite a significant increase in capacity to Singapore after SQ upgauging one service to the 78X.

Looks like the addtional services are a mix of 788 and 789. The timing of the services, especially the later TR16/17, are far from ideal (arrival at 0225 in SIN) unless you were connecting. I assume the loads must still be OK though as they've moved to 9pw.


TR16/17 is now daily while TR8/9 is 2 weekly, the increase has seen 1 788 and 1 789 service added, overall there are 4 788 and 5 789 services to PER. Their loads are 90% plus, it is very rare to see the numbers dip under 90% LF. This may also counter the increase from D7 which will go to 11 weekly from 1 Dec, though that is only seasonal.

From the numbers I have observed from SQ over a period of time their numbers are quite consistant, they do not experience the high and low load factors as most of the other carriers do out of PER. They only other exceptions would be TR, D7 and JQ. The SQ215/216 rotation which currently sees the 78X I cant say that I have ever seen that flight under 90% LF and quite often its closer to 100%. Moving forward I would exoect to see another flight upgraded some time next year, I would also expect that when the 333/772's are replaced PER will see a mix of 78X/359's.

I would also say that some that have previously flown EY and that are loyal to VA are flying SQ now. I have not be able to determine where the numbers that where flying EY have now gone. Both QR and EK LF's out of PER in recent weeks have been woeful to say the least and at the moment I can not put my finger on where those passenger numbers are going.



Funny you mention that was just talking with friends who came over from the UK to Perth last week. They usually do QR or EY via middle east. However this time they said Sq was cheapest by far. Maybe pricing and flight times are now more attractive.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:34 pm

EVA Air 787-10 coming to Brisbane next year with the 787-9. No Brisbane increases planned and no other Australia destinations to be launched.

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Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:42 am

Does anyone know why Fedex have been operating SIN/SYD FDX 5284 flights this week ? Is this a new regular service, a series of charters, etc ? Don't normally see them coming in from Asia, so curious as to the reason for these flights.
 
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Gold Coast: -4.8%

What's happening there? I've always wondered if they could get more Chinese flights, like one from CZ? Or, an ME3 flight? QR?

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What's happening there? I've always wondered if they could get more Chinese flights, like one from CZ? Or, an ME3 flight? QR?

Cheers,

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How long has the Hong Kong Airlines route been suspended? That would probably do it.
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:03 am

Did QF upgauge PER this year over the June/July school holidays to a 332? I’m looking at booking SIN-PER next July in J but don’t want to pay and end up on a recliner 738.
 
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Did QF upgauge PER this year over the June/July school holidays to a 332? I’m looking at booking SIN-PER next July in J but don’t want to pay and end up on a recliner 738.

QF did but it was to combine two flights into one due to 738 pilot shortage. If you don't want recliner try avoid QF on PERSIN as a higher chance for you is the recliner instead of lie flat..

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Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:26 am

The Broome fare discount scheme has now reached 10,000 tickets sold

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Does anyone know why Fedex have been operating SIN/SYD FDX 5284 flights this week ? Is this a new regular service, a series of charters, etc ? Don't normally see them coming in from Asia, so curious as to the reason for these flights.


Someone posted this link on another forum:
https://www.stattimes.com/australian-businesses-to-benefit-from-fedex-new-sydneysingapore-flight-air-cargo

FedEx Express (FedEx) has launched a new dedicated flight four times per week between Sydney, Australia and Singapore.


As an aside, I wonder whether MD-11 will still be flying when WSZ opens. They are relatively noisy, and nighttime noise will be a sensitive topic for a while give the curfew status of the two Sydney airports.
 
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:17 pm

Hey MooLor,
I agree with you about the MD-11's noise. I wonder if FedEx (and UPS, DHL etc for that matter) would consider making the move to SWZ and seek 'curfew-busting' flights?
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Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:39 pm

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Does anyone know why Fedex have been operating SIN/SYD FDX 5284 flights this week ? Is this a new regular service, a series of charters, etc ? Don't normally see them coming in from Asia, so curious as to the reason for these flights.


Someone posted this link on another forum:
https://www.stattimes.com/australian-businesses-to-benefit-from-fedex-new-sydneysingapore-flight-air-cargo

FedEx Express (FedEx) has launched a new dedicated flight four times per week between Sydney, Australia and Singapore.


As an aside, I wonder whether MD-11 will still be flying when WSZ opens. They are relatively noisy, and nighttime noise will be a sensitive topic for a while give the curfew status of the two Sydney airports.


Thanks for that, answered my question perfectly.

As for WSZ, I can see all, or at least most freighters operating from there, though with the exception of the domestic freighters, I can't see to much difference from their current schedules. The UPS/Fedex flights arrival time, allows next day delivery to just about everywhere in the country. It is also worth remembering that every intergrator like Fedex, UPS, DHL all have large volumes of their freight coming on other airlines flights as belly cargo, so if they do move their operations to SWZ that will all need to be trucked to any new facilities they build at SWZ.

As for MD11's they meet current noise regs and they aren't any louder than the 747's operated by UPS, SQ, QF, etc, so can't see them being a problem at SWZ, providing of course FX is still sending them this way when it opens and if they do move.
 
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RE: ME3/QR....Wouldn't the facilities also be completely inadequate for these full service airlines?

QR is flying to places like UTP in Thailand now - compared to that, I don't think OOL is that bad for a full-service L/H carrier?

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RE: ME3/QR....Wouldn't the facilities also be completely inadequate for these full service airlines?

QR is flying to places like UTP in Thailand now - compared to that, I don't think OOL is that bad for a full-service L/H carrier?

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For a full service carrier like QR, OOL wouldn't be great. Plus runway is not long enough to support fully loaded 77W and or A359/788.
 
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RE: ME3/QR....Wouldn't the facilities also be completely inadequate for these full service airlines?

QR is flying to places like UTP in Thailand now - compared to that, I don't think OOL is that bad for a full-service L/H carrier?

Cheers,

C.


For a full service carrier like QR, OOL wouldn't be great. Plus runway is not long enough to support fully loaded 77W and or A359/788.

Yep - very true re runway length. They could do a tag though, like DOH/DXB/AUH - SIN - OOL. I think QR should consider this, because 1) they can't fly to BNE under the current regulations, and 2) they are more open to secondary cities (think CWL, PEN, UTP, etc).

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If the runway was longer I wouldn’t rule out QR at OOL so long as the bilateral isn’t amended. If they can’t fly to BNE then it is their best option to enter the SEQ market, and frankly QR fly some routes that make less sense than OOL. I still think it’s a long shot though, and that they’ll wait for the bilateral to be amdended so they can serve BNE.
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QR is flying to places like UTP in Thailand now - compared to that, I don't think OOL is that bad for a full-service L/H carrier?

Cheers,

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For a full service carrier like QR, OOL wouldn't be great. Plus runway is not long enough to support fully loaded 77W and or A359/788.

Yep - very true re runway length. They could do a tag though, like DOH/DXB/AUH - SIN - OOL. I think QR should consider this, because 1) they can't fly to BNE under the current regulations, and 2) they are more open to secondary cities (think CWL, PEN, UTP, etc).

Cheers,

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I wonder where would the best transit port be? If Scoot have SIN covered, and D7 KUL, maybe HKG? BKK would be too low yielding I would have thought and not add any further traffic.

Further long shot, use OOL as a transit port - DOH-OOL-CHC/WLG with a 77L could the runway support a 77L?

Is there much expansion planned or a proper international pier? Last time I was there was Jammers - wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more Tasman expansion out of OOL, NZ are already upgrading some services to 321s admittedly only 40 extra seats but a vote of confidence
 
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oskarclare wrote:

For a full service carrier like QR, OOL wouldn't be great. Plus runway is not long enough to support fully loaded 77W and or A359/788.

Yep - very true re runway length. They could do a tag though, like DOH/DXB/AUH - SIN - OOL. I think QR should consider this, because 1) they can't fly to BNE under the current regulations, and 2) they are more open to secondary cities (think CWL, PEN, UTP, etc).

Cheers,

C.


I wonder where would the best transit port be? If Scoot have SIN covered, and D7 KUL, maybe HKG? BKK would be too low yielding I would have thought and not add any further traffic.

Further long shot, use OOL as a transit port - DOH-OOL-CHC/WLG with a 77L could the runway support a 77L?

Is there much expansion planned or a proper international pier? Last time I was there was Jammers - wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more Tasman expansion out of OOL, NZ are already upgrading some services to 321s admittedly only 40 extra seats but a vote of confidence


There is project LIFT which was to add two MARS aerobridges, extend the terminal south and move all international travel there, opening up the North for better domestic flow, but this seems to continually get delayed. They only managed to complete the realignment of bays and apron expansion.

I think QR would do well on a DOH-DPS-OOL service, just extend one of the 788s they have to DPS onwards. BKK I think could be another option with SIN/KUL served already.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:12 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey MooLor,
I agree with you about the MD-11's noise. I wonder if FedEx (and UPS, DHL etc for that matter) would consider making the move to SWZ and seek 'curfew-busting' flights?
Cheers
Bunumuring


I think it's a given they will use SWZ eh? SYD is closer to many businesses so there's that courier traffic that will stay there, but SWZ has all that "empty"' space around it for warehouses etc. - Commercial real estate media often mentions land acquisitions in the area for that sort of purpose. Look at all the distribution centres that quickly sprung up along the M7 corridor when it opened.

I live 20km out under the SYD flight path and it's only the MD-11s as well as the (early model) 747 freighters that I notice flying over - they are just that bit louder than the newer aircraft. Can you imagine the kerfuffle if those are flying in to SWZ at 03.00? (It's a pity Lord Sydney was not actually called Lord Nimby - 'Nimby' would be a perfect name for this city! :D )
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:41 am

jupiter2 wrote:

Thanks for that, answered my question perfectly.

As for WSZ, I can see all, or at least most freighters operating from there, though with the exception of the domestic freighters, I can't see to much difference from their current schedules. The UPS/Fedex flights arrival time, allows next day delivery to just about everywhere in the country. It is also worth remembering that every intergrator like Fedex, UPS, DHL all have large volumes of their freight coming on other airlines flights as belly cargo, so if they do move their operations to SWZ that will all need to be trucked to any new facilities they build at SWZ.

As for MD11's they meet current noise regs and they aren't any louder than the 747's operated by UPS, SQ, QF, etc, so can't see them being a problem at SWZ, providing of course FX is still sending them this way when it opens and if they do move.


There are still plenty of people popping up on social media demanding a curfew for SWZ. I fear frequent older / noisier jets will have more joining their cause. Remember the 'no aircraft noise' party in the late 1980s protesting SYD's 3rd runway? Swung a state election I believe.

I read somewhere this week that it was a BA 747 go-around at some ungodly hour was the straw that broke the camel's back re SYD curfew / restrictions. I'd be interested to hear more if anyone knows the details...

Besides all of that and getting back on topic, the SYD freight terminal seems a bit cramped? SAC have had it in recent five year plans to relocate it, but it's still there taking up valuable real estate beside T1. A partial exodus to SWZ would not surprise me; with all the road infrastructure under construction a distribution centre near SWZ would be easily accessible from most parts of the city / region.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:13 am

MooLor wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:

Thanks for that, answered my question perfectly.

As for WSZ, I can see all, or at least most freighters operating from there, though with the exception of the domestic freighters, I can't see to much difference from their current schedules. The UPS/Fedex flights arrival time, allows next day delivery to just about everywhere in the country. It is also worth remembering that every intergrator like Fedex, UPS, DHL all have large volumes of their freight coming on other airlines flights as belly cargo, so if they do move their operations to SWZ that will all need to be trucked to any new facilities they build at SWZ.

As for MD11's they meet current noise regs and they aren't any louder than the 747's operated by UPS, SQ, QF, etc, so can't see them being a problem at SWZ, providing of course FX is still sending them this way when it opens and if they do move.


There are still plenty of people popping up on social media demanding a curfew for SWZ. I fear frequent older / noisier jets will have more joining their cause. Remember the 'no aircraft noise' party in the late 1980s protesting SYD's 3rd runway? Swung a state election I believe.

I read somewhere this week that it was a BA 747 go-around at some ungodly hour was the straw that broke the camel's back re SYD curfew / restrictions. I'd be interested to hear more if anyone knows the details...

Besides all of that and getting back on topic, the SYD freight terminal seems a bit cramped? SAC have had it in recent five year plans to relocate it, but it's still there taking up valuable real estate beside T1. A partial exodus to SWZ would not surprise me; with all the road infrastructure under construction a distribution centre near SWZ would be easily accessible from most parts of the city / region.


The freight terminals next to T1 are cramped, but functional and until the SAC can come up with a viable alternative, none of the tenants will want to move. Even after SWZ is up and running, there will still be a healthy volume of freight being handled at SYD.

A major problem for any relocated freight terminal at SYD will be road access for the volume of vehicles that use the freight terminals. Anything to close to General Holmes Drive, or Foreshore Road, will have a disastrous effect on those roads and spill over to the M5, Qantas Drive, Botany Road, etc. Likewise, when SWZ opens up, local traffic maybe fine around the airport, the problem will be deliveries further away around Sydney on our crappy road network.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:19 am

qantas747 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Yep - very true re runway length. They could do a tag though, like DOH/DXB/AUH - SIN - OOL. I think QR should consider this, because 1) they can't fly to BNE under the current regulations, and 2) they are more open to secondary cities (think CWL, PEN, UTP, etc).

Cheers,

C.


I wonder where would the best transit port be? If Scoot have SIN covered, and D7 KUL, maybe HKG? BKK would be too low yielding I would have thought and not add any further traffic.

Further long shot, use OOL as a transit port - DOH-OOL-CHC/WLG with a 77L could the runway support a 77L?

Is there much expansion planned or a proper international pier? Last time I was there was Jammers - wouldn’t surprise me if there was a bit more Tasman expansion out of OOL, NZ are already upgrading some services to 321s admittedly only 40 extra seats but a vote of confidence


There is project LIFT which was to add two MARS aerobridges, extend the terminal south and move all international travel there, opening up the North for better domestic flow, but this seems to continually get delayed. They only managed to complete the realignment of bays and apron expansion.

I think QR would do well on a DOH-DPS-OOL service, just extend one of the 788s they have to DPS onwards. BKK I think could be another option with SIN/KUL served already.


I hadn’t thought of DPS, good idea! Especially the 788 seems the perfect capacity. 22J and 232Y 4-5 days a week with a combination of DPS and DOH bound traffic seems like a reasonable config!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:44 am

Spotted an AN-124 in Rockhampton today when I flew in. Was loading helicopters for what looked like the Singapore air force. Shame I could not hang around to see her leave
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:53 am

VA getting grilled today on Social Media over an announced policy to give veterans priority boarding and thank them for their service over the PA. Qantas have refused to do similar simply stating it carried "exceptional people every day", and singling a group out as part of the boarding process would be hard to do. and the head of the Australian Defence Association, called the move "tokenistic" and described it as a manifestation of American culture that was unlikely to translate well in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-05/ ... s/10464592

Their facebook page is getting slammed by negative comments on the announcement, but it seems they have listened with a recent post saying they will take time to speak to community groups about the best way forward. Sounds to me like the half brained idea of some American marketing consultant who didn't take the time to learn the cultural differences between AU and the US.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:25 am

My only "claim to fame" as a Viet Vet is the sticker on my car. Virgins idea seems totally tokenistic to me. Darren Chester, the Minister responsible for Veterans Affairs has put it in the right context, "we carry ourselves under a bushel". I agree with the "American marketing consultant" comment above. Virgin, ditch the idea and fast please
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:24 am

Perhaps VA should focus on things like making sure their IFE works on their planes, and providing something more than a protein ball and cup of OJ to passengers on flights, rather than gimmicks like this.

Or perhaps they should actually provide some staff at SYD. Last time I checked in there (TR coming up for this BTW), they had 4 staff on, and the line was nearly out the door. Also didn't help that the check-in agent I had the misfortune of dealing with was too preoccupied talking to her neighbour I nearly had to remind her she actually had a customer in front of her she was halfway through doing a bag drop for.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2018

Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:33 am

a320fan wrote:
VA getting grilled today on Social Media over an announced policy to give veterans priority boarding and thank them for their service over the PA. Qantas have refused to do similar simply stating it carried "exceptional people every day", and singling a group out as part of the boarding process would be hard to do. and the head of the Australian Defence Association, called the move "tokenistic" and described it as a manifestation of American culture that was unlikely to translate well in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-05/ ... s/10464592

Their facebook page is getting slammed by negative comments on the announcement, but it seems they have listened with a recent post saying they will take time to speak to community groups about the best way forward. Sounds to me like the half brained idea of some American marketing consultant who didn't take the time to learn the cultural differences between AU and the US.


Good, they deserve to get roasted on this. Absolutely American style nonsense, spearheaded by the abysmal Newscorp, no less. And a classy response by QF. What an idiotic own goal by VA.

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