Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

asuflyer · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:06 am

Breaking News a Lion Air 737MAX8 PK-LQP has crashed operating JT610 from Jakarta to Pangal Pinang. Search and rescue has been initiated. The aircraft reportedly crashed into the sea approximately 13 minutes after takeoff.

https://ekonomi.kompas.com/read/2018/10 ... ang-kontak
( In Bahasa Indonesia)

PA727 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:08 am

Per Reuters:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1056728047494332416

"BREAKING: Lion Air flight from Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang has crashed - Indonesia search and rescue official."

PotatoPappas · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:12 am

asuflyer wrote:
Breaking News a Lion Air 737MAX8 PK-LQP has crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang. Links to follow

https://ekonomi.kompas.com/read/2018/10 ... ang-kontak
( In Bahasa Indonesia)

Anything in English?

DexSwart · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:14 am

Oh no.

Looks like it’s mostly an overwater flight.

Thunderstorms around Jakarta as well.

Hopefully everyone gets out okay. Hopefully.

hongkongflyer · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:15 am

again....they always crash the new plane

ikolkyo · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:17 am

Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318

A333MSPtoAMS · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:17 am

The only thing is this snippet from the Sydney Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/lion- ... 50cmu.html

l87e · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:20 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318

And on Flightaware:
Time (EDT) Latitude Longitude Course kts mph feet Rate
Sun 07:31:50 PM -5.8221 107.1213 ↗ 34° 383 441 2,800 -7,688 Descending

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PKL ... K/tracklog

ikolkyo · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:22 am

l87e wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318

And on Flightaware:
Time (EDT) Latitude Longitude Course kts mph feet Rate
Sun 07:31:50 PM -5.8221 107.1213 ↗ 34° 383 441 2,800 -7,688 Descending

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/PKL ... K/tracklog

Sheesh, I hope there are some survivors but this is not a good sign.

Aaron747 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:35 am

No good indications here - a seemingly unusual climb profile, and airspeed was on significant uptick when tracking was lost.

Kickert · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:36 am

BBC has picked it up:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-460 ... ws_central

Newbiepilot · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:40 am

Aaron747 wrote:
No good indications here - a seemingly unusual climb profile, and airspeed was on significant uptick when tracking was lost.

7 minutes at 5,000ft and over 300 knots seems unusual.

haydenschool · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:41 am

Brand new aircraft gone bye bye...

Bradin · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:41 am

Assuming it is registry PK-LQP, it was delivered August 2018.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/98qgSk0O

LUV737 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:42 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Flight path is interesting climbs to about 5400ft and bounces around between 5400ft and 4900ft and then dips down to 4500, climbs up to 5500ft then suddenly dips down and contact is lost.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#1e5ff318

Pitot covers missed on walk around?

afterburner · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:45 am

In an Indonesian leading English newspaper website: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018 ... plane.html

Zkpilot · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:45 am

A ship reportedly saw it falling from the sky. Would indicate either a catastrophic failure or something like a stall a la AF447 perhaps.

gia777 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:46 am

I am from Indonesia and Lion Air - Air Asia - both are on my BANNED list. I am reconsidering Batik Air as well since they belong to Lion Group. Soo sad 1 month plane and passengers now gone.
The problem with Indonesian pilots are their CRM training very poor. 3000ft is not that high... and the water is not that deep, maybe they can land the plane. I know those area.

and one thing that pissed me off is, they didn't put any update news on their website and never will

716131 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:50 am

There safety record might have been always at risk and since around this year and before are always delays before the lost.

a320fan · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:55 am

Ouch sad to loose a max8 so soon after introduction. Here’s hoping there’s at least some survivors.

Jshank83 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:57 am

I’ve seen a few comments on it already but I just wanted to ask the question outright since I don’t know a ton about Asian carriers.

I’ve heard of lionair but I don’t know much about them. ULCC? Thoughts on their safety in general? If they are buying new planes that usually is good sign in my mind that they aren’t just buying old ones. Just some background from some of you that have flown them or know them better than me. Thanks.

flight152 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:57 am

It’s absolutely insane how bad the safety record is for this airline. Blows my mind anyone would step on one of their aircraft.

asuflyer · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:57 am

The relatives of the passenger are being taken to a waiting room. The authorities in PGK will be conducting a press conference.

https://www.facebook.com/bangkapos/videos/737145766672452/

RetroRoo · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:59 am

A little baffled at some people above who seem to be sadder about a 737Max8 being destroyed than the people who were inside it...

ikolkyo · Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:59 am

Jshank83 wrote:
I’ve seen a few comments on it already but I just wanted to ask the question outright since I don’t know a ton about Asian carriers.

I’ve heard of lionair but I don’t know much about them. ULCC? Thoughts on their safety in general? If they are buying new planes that usually is good sign in my mind that they aren’t just buying old ones. Just some background from some of you that have flown them or know them better than me. Thanks.

Airline is a joke, their Safety record is a complete disaster.

YellowJ · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:01 am

Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

smileymilo · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:01 am

Zkpilot wrote:
A ship reportedly saw it falling from the sky. Would indicate either a catastrophic failure or something like a stall a la AF447 perhaps.

Looking at FR24 radar the speed was good throughout but certainly had control issues as was deviating +/- 800ft and last report shows 2,800ft and 383 knots with a down velocity of + 7,000ft per minute. Not good.
Hopefully a miracle. Must open the question to sabotage as well as maintenance should be fine on a 2 month aircraft.

Fingers crossed for everyone on board.

Regards

Miles

Zone1 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:02 am

Bloomberg reporting 178 pax, 3 children, and 7 crew on board.

musman9853 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:03 am

haydenschool wrote:
Brand new aircraft gone bye bye...

Screw the plane, just hope there are survivors

hongkongflyer · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:03 am

smileymilo wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
A ship reportedly saw it falling from the sky. Would indicate either a catastrophic failure or something like a stall a la AF447 perhaps.

Looking at FR24 radar the speed was good throughout but certainly had control issues as was deviating +/- 800ft and last report shows 2,800ft and 383 knots with a down velocity of + 7,000ft per minute. Not good.
Hopefully a miracle. Must open the question to sabotage as well as maintenance should be fine on a 2 month aircraft.

Fingers crossed for everyone on board.

Regards

Miles

Not the first time they crashed a brand new 2 months plane

PlanesNTrains · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:04 am

YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

The GOL crash was a three week old frame, and I know there have been others that were younger.

KICT · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:05 am

This airline needs to be shut down. They are out of control.

Veigar · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:06 am

Yeesh, this is really horrific... then again, Lion Air's safety record is hot garbage, so I'm going to call this one out on pilot error as my gut says.

PlanesNTrains · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:06 am

KICT wrote:
This airline needs to be shut down. They are out of control.

And I’m sorry but what caused this crash?

Planeyguy · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:07 am

Let's hope its not the problem with the 737MAX...

musman9853 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:07 am

YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.

gia777 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:07 am

YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Most probably yes and I remembered they did it before with their brand new 737-800 crashed just short of the runway in Bali (everyone survived)

Lion Air has becoming a joke in my country and they always always always screw up on many things... the problem is...they are cheap to fly so most below avarage ppl take Lion.

I am no rich but I always travel with Garuda no matter what. sometimes by train too. less trouble. damn I am flying in 3 days.... lol

PlanesNTrains · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:08 am

Planeyguy wrote:
Let's hope its not the problem with the 737MAX...

I’m assuming you don’t work for LionAir because I guarantee you they want it to be the MAX. They have a lousy record as a carrier but things happen that surprise us sometimes.

ikolkyo · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:08 am

musman9853 wrote:
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.

I think I remember reading about a 707 on delivery flight that crashed.

afterburner · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:09 am

I'm disappointed, though not surprised, reading the negative comments about this airline. Lion Air was one of the first few Indonesian airlines that were removed from the EU airline blacklist.

716131 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:10 am

gia777 wrote:
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Most probably yes and I remembered they did it before with their brand new 737-800 crashed just short of the runway in Bali (everyone survived)

Lion Air has becoming a joke in my country and they always always always screw up on many things... the problem is...they are cheap to fly so most below avarage ppl take Lion.

I am no rich but I always travel with Garuda no matter what. sometimes by train too. less trouble. damn I am flying in 3 days.... lol

They are, even before the crash it appears their safety record are kind of at risk. They always blame customers for delays, cancellation, no complimentary food etc. So I hope this airline will ceased flying soon no matter what happen. P.S if everyone dies in this flight and the airline will file for bankruptcy soon I would appreciate this.

KICT · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:12 am

afterburner wrote:
Lion Air was one of the first few Indonesian airlines that were removed from the EU airline blacklist.

Who did they pay off under the table to achieve that goal?

716131 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:13 am

Update: Pertamina says the plane crash near offshore of the gas station according to source in Bahasa.

http://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2018 ... silitasnya

afterburner · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:14 am

ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.

I think I remember reading about a 707 on delivery flight that crashed.

How about British Midland flight 92 that crashed in Kegworth, Leicestershire, UK? The 737-400 was less than four months old.

727LOVER · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:14 am

YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Google N7071....I think it has that honor as it had not even been delivered.

716131 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:16 am

afterburner wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:

Even China Airlines 605 lasted 3 months.

I think I remember reading about a 707 on delivery flight that crashed.

How about British Midland flight 92 that crashed in Kegworth, Leicestershire, UK? The 737-400 was less than four months old.

That's something similar, but this crash might killed everyone against just some passengers on board.

musman9853 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:16 am

Reuters reporting debris has been found.

Check out @Reuters’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1056 ... 82497?s=09

edu2703 · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:18 am

YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

An Etihad A340-600 crashed during a ground test before its first flight

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20071115-0

Also, an EMB-120 Brasilia crashed on its delivery flight, minutes after takeoff

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 19860919-1

KPDX · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:18 am

Very sad news. How in the hell has this airline not been shut down by the government? Atrocious.

zakuivcustom · Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:20 am

YellowJ wrote:
Not to take away the focus from this sad situation; but is this a record from delivery to crash for any airline and/or aircraft made?

Gol Flight 1907, 3 weeks after delivery, should be up there as a “new plane”.

As for the flight, hoping for the best but things are certainly not looking good. And this is with Lion at least improving their safety record somewhat compare to the “one incident per month” a few years back.

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