Hi there !

I was reading an extraordinary old press article ( sorry, only in Spanish ) and some issues raised my curiosity . My question is, where in Europe flew those AR 747´s during the 70´and 80´s ? I know some destinations were MAD and ZRH, but did they go anywhere else?

Thanks !

https://www.gacetaeronautica.com/gaceta/wp-101/?p=1788

They flew them into FRA in the 80's, too

EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX was active for quite some years. I remember AR's 747s being regular visitors at MEX. In 92, we flew LAX-MEX on an AM MD-80. The AR 747 was at TBIT as we were. We departed earlier, and of course, when we arrived in MEX, the 747 had already been there for quite some time. It amazed me. Back then I didn't know the 747 was faster than pretty much any other airliner.

AR took pride in inaugurating a southern "polar" route to Oceania, can't remember if SYD or Auckland from EZE with a tech stop at Rio Gallegos around 1980. There was a featured article in the spanish version of Reader's Digest about that in the early 80's which, of course, captured my young aviation fan imagination.

Here's a link to some timetables:

http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/ar.htm#ar5012uk

SQ773 wrote:

Hi there !

I was reading an extraordinary old press article ( sorry, only in Spanish ) and some issues raised my curiosity . My question is, where in Europe flew those AR 747´s during the 70´and 80´s ? I know some destinations were MAD and ZRH, but did they go anywhere else?

Thanks !

https://www.gacetaeronautica.com/gaceta/wp-101/?p=1788

Initially they flew to AR's main destinations in Europe, MAD and FCO, beginning in 1976, but had to stop at GIG on the way (GRU was not on the cards yet) as their range did not allow them to fly nonstop between EZE & MAD. So the MAD nonstop continued on the 707s until 1979, when a new batch of 747-287B started arriving, powered with the JT9D-7Q and took over completely over all flying to Europe: MAD, FCO, FRA, CDG, LHR & ZRH. Later on AMS was added. In 1980 a 747-SP27 was added and flew nonstop from EZE to FCO and CDG. The 747s were the workhorse of the international fleet until the late 90s when the A340 was added. The -200s were gone from the fleet by 2006 and the last 3 747-400 were retired in 2012.

Most of the European flying was cancelled in the 90s: multi-stops did not cut it anymore and the airline concentrated on Spain and Italy, which remains the case until today.

AM744 wrote:

EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX was active for quite some years. I remember AR's 747s being regular visitors at MEX. In 92, we flew LAX-MEX on an AM MD-80. The AR 747 was at TBIT as we were. We departed earlier, and of course, when we arrived in MEX, the 747 had already been there for quite some time. It amazed me. Back then I didn't know the 747 was faster than pretty much any other airliner.

AR took pride in inaugurating a southern "polar" route to Oceania, can't remember if SYD or Auckland from EZE with a tech stop at Rio Gallegos around 1980. There was a featured article in the spanish version of Reader's Digest about that in the early 80's which, of course, captured my young aviation fan imagination.

747-287B LV-MLR did the honors flying EZE-RGL-AKL-HKG-LAX-EZE back in 1980, demonstrating the commercial viability of the Southern Seas route. AR developed all the navigational charts, etc, that have made the route possible today. Sadly, after 34 years of flying the route to AKL and SYD the airline cancelled the route to concentrate on Europe and North America. Parts of LV-MLR are preserved today in Buenos Aires.

A lot of FCO flying for AR 747s, and I also remember the SP at LHR?.. fuzzy memories from those lovely dark ages of deep pile carpeted cabins and lovely stewardesses...

Also MIA, JFK , YYZ , YUL, CPT, BOG, and charters to MCO and CUN. Also charters to USH, BRC (winter) and IGR ( during easter). COR-MAD, COR-MIA, ROS-MIA, for a time . The transpolar was EZE RGL AKL SYD, and back but without the stop at RGL. All of these with the -200.

SCQ was also flown in the B747 as late as 2007

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aerolin ... 75/1265331

Thanks guys ! This site is absolutely amazing !

I'm sure AR flew their 747s to Caracas in the late 80s/early 90s.
I believe the route was EZE-CCS-MIA-CCS-EZE

jmmadrid wrote:

I'm sure AR flew their 747s to Caracas in the late 80s/early 90s.
I believe the route was EZE-CCS-MIA-CCS-EZE

CCS was flown with the 747 around the early 80s, right after the Falklands conflict when AR had surplus capacity. One 747 (LV-MLO) went to Flying Tigers until 1990, flying troops for the US Armed Forces. It always kept its LV-registry. In 1990 it came back home and replaced the 747SP that went to Air Mauritius. CCS was flown until the early 90s with the sole remaining 707 in the fleet, the LV-ISC, which was kept just for these flights to CCS. Now, I don't believe AR ever did EZE-CCS-MIA (maybe in the early 80s?) but happy to be wrong on that one! When IB took over the administration, CCS was flown with the MD80s via VVI. AR no longer flies to CCS due to the Venezuelan crisis. Last operated schedule to CCS was daily with the 738s, nonstop from EZE.

dcajet wrote:

jmmadrid wrote:

I'm sure AR flew their 747s to Caracas in the late 80s/early 90s.
I believe the route was EZE-CCS-MIA-CCS-EZE

CCS was flown with the 747 around the early 80s, right after the Falklands conflict when AR had surplus capacity. One 747 (LV-MLO) went to Flying Tigers until 1990, flying troops for the US Armed Forces. It always kept its LV-registry. In 1990 it came back home and replaced the 747SP that went to Air Mauritius. CCS was flown until the early 90s with the sole remaining 707 in the fleet, the LV-ISC, which was kept just for these flights to CCS. Now, I don't believe AR ever did EZE-CCS-MIA (maybe in the early 80s?) but happy to be wrong on that one! When IB took over the administration, CCS was flown with the MD80s via VVI. AR no longer flies to CCS due to the Venezuelan crisis. Last operated schedule to CCS was daily with the 738s, nonstop from EZE.

The EZE-CCS 747 service in the early 80s continued on to JFK, and v.v. on the return.

Wonderful article. Thanks for posting! I found interesting in the article that AR's long-haul flights in '80s averaged a 60% load factor. This was pretty much the case when national air carriers were heavily protected by their governments and fares were governed by IATA strict fare rules. Under those circumstances, AR had a pretty impressive route map.




There's an Argentine movie from 1982 called "Plata Dulce" that does a great job showing the state of mind of the country at the time when it was in style to take a trip to shop in one of Miami's malls. I love that movie. In a comical way, it shows the ups and downs of Argentine psyche due to the country's economic situation which tends to repeat itself over and over to this day. I mention it because at around 52 minutes a beautiful AR 747 makes a special appearance delivering happy people from their shopping trip to the US. If you look closely you can read the arrivals sign showing different flights from the time including AR 384 LAX-MEX-LIM-EZE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBa1Wdc0Qrs

LatinPlane wrote:

Wonderful article. Thanks for posting! I found interesting in the article that AR's long-haul flights in '80s averaged a 60% load factor. This was pretty much the case when national air carriers were heavily protected by their governments and fares were governed by IATA strict fare rules. Under those circumstances, AR had a pretty impressive route map.

Yes, in the 70's and 80's having a 747 in the fleet was a symbol of prestige for flag airlines..no matter if financially it meant a complete disaster. Seems not unusual to see those load factors among many airlines during those times.

One winter Friday I flew KLM AMS to JFK (742, I guess) except a huge snow storm (Feb. '83) diverted us to YMX......was two days before we got out on our original aircraft, then circled over Kingston, NY went bingo fuel so back to YMX. KL crew was now over their hours and took the 742 back to AMS with some freight only. We got fixed up on a sked on AR, another 742 with routing YMX-JFK-MIA and EZE. The short hop to JFK was not easy at all as we circled Kingston again for an hour, then landed and taxied in a circle around JFK for an hour, finally arriving 2 days and about 5 hours late. Was happy AR saved our rear ends that weekend!

I really like this video of an AR 742 taking off from Rio Gallegos (technical stop) on its way to Auckland and Sydney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqxLe8OPwvE

I vaguely recall that in the '90s AR had two 747 flights into MIA. One was nonstop MIA-EZE and one was MIA-GRU-EZE (with 5th freedom rights). Was this correct? They left within minutes from each other when they departed MIA. I may be wrong.

LatinPlane wrote:

I really like this video of an AR 742 taking off from Rio Gallegos (technical stop) on its way to Auckland and Sydney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqxLe8OPwvE

I vaguely recall that in the '90s AR had two 747 flights into MIA. One was nonstop MIA-EZE and one was MIA-GRU-EZE (with 5th freedom rights). Was this correct? They left within minutes from each other when they departed MIA. I may be wrong.

Could well be the case. For decades, AR was the largest foreign international carrier in Brazil, first at GIG and then at GRU. The only catch about the flight you mention is that it had to be in the early 90s. Around 95-98 AR abandoned all long haul flying from/to Brazil as that stop became uncompetitive for its main market: travelers to/from EZE.

All AR 747/74L flights in June 1989 OAG:
AR 110 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:50 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:50 EZE-MAD-FCO P 0 747 2
AR 110 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 9:35 EZE-MAD-FCO P 0 747 1
AR 110 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:50 EZE-MAD-FCO P 1 747 1
AR 111 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 19:50 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 FCO-MAD-EZE P 0 747 2
AR 111 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 19:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FCO-MAD-EZE P 1 747 2
AR 111 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FCO-MAD-EZE P 0 747 2
AR 120 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:50 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 12:40 EZE-MAD-ORY-FRA P 0 747 3
AR 120 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:50 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:00 EZE-MAD-ORY-FRA P 1 747 3
AR 120 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:55 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:00 EZE-MAD-ORY-FRA P 0 747 3
AR 120 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 9:35 EZE-MAD-ORY-FRA P 0 747 2
AR 120 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 12:40 EZE-MAD-ORY-FRA P 1 747 2
AR 120 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:00 EZE-MAD-ORY-FRA P 2 747 2
AR 121 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 18:00 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 18:55 FRA-ORY-MAD-EZE P 0 747 3
AR 121 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 18:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 FRA-ORY-MAD-EZE P 1 747 3
AR 121 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 18:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FRA-ORY-MAD-EZE P 2 747 3
AR 121 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 FRA-ORY-MAD-EZE P 0 747 3
AR 121 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FRA-ORY-MAD-EZE P 1 747 3
AR 121 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FRA-ORY-MAD-EZE P 0 747 3
AR 130 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:35 EZE-GIG-FCO P 0 747 3
AR 130 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:40 EZE-GIG-FCO P 1 747 3
AR 130 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 20:50 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:40 EZE-GIG-FCO P 0 747 3
AR 131 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 7:15 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 10:20 FCO-GIG-EZE P 0 747 5
AR 131 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 23:30 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 6:00 FCO-GIG-EZE P 0 747 4
AR 131 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 23:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 10:20 FCO-GIG-EZE P 1 747 4
AR 140 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:50 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 12:50 EZE-MAD-ZRH-FRA P 0 747 5
AR 140 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:50 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:00 EZE-MAD-ZRH-FRA P 1 747 5
AR 140 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 14:05 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:00 EZE-MAD-ZRH-FRA P 0 747 5
AR 140 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 9:35 EZE-MAD-ZRH-FRA P 0 747 4
AR 140 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 12:50 EZE-MAD-ZRH-FRA P 1 747 4
AR 140 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:00 EZE-MAD-ZRH-FRA P 2 747 4
AR 141 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 18:00 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 18:40 FRA-ZRH-MAD-EZE P 0 747 5
AR 141 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 18:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 FRA-ZRH-MAD-EZE P 1 747 5
AR 141 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 18:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FRA-ZRH-MAD-EZE P 2 747 5
AR 141 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 19:50 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 FRA-ZRH-MAD-EZE P 0 747 5
AR 141 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 19:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FRA-ZRH-MAD-EZE P 1 747 5
AR 141 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:00 FRA-ZRH-MAD-EZE P 0 747 5
AR 150 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 11:30 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:20 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 0 747 6
AR 150 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 11:30 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 1 747 6
AR 150 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 14:35 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 0 747 6
AR 150 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 18:35 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 0 747 5
AR 150 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:15 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 1 747 5
AR 150 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:20 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 2 747 5
AR 150 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 3 747 5
AR 150 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:50 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:15 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 0 747 5
AR 150 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:50 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:20 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 1 747 5
AR 150 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:50 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-AMS P 2 747 5
AR 151 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 5:55 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 7
AR 151 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 17:50 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 18:55 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 6
AR 151 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 17:50 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 1 747 6
AR 151 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 17:50 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:40 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 2 747 6
AR 151 AMS AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS 17:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 3 747 6
AR 151 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 6
AR 151 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:40 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 1 747 6
AR 151 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 2 747 6
AR 151 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:40 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 6
AR 151 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 AMS-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 1 747 6
AR 160 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 13:55 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:45 EZE-GIG-FCO-FRA P 0 747 7
AR 160 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:35 EZE-GIG-FCO-FRA P 0 747 6
AR 160 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:40 EZE-GIG-FCO-FRA P 1 747 6
AR 160 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:45 EZE-GIG-FCO-FRA P 2 747 6
AR 160 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 20:50 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:40 EZE-GIG-FCO-FRA P 0 747 6
AR 160 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 20:50 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 15:45 EZE-GIG-FCO-FRA P 1 747 6
AR 161 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 5:45 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 8:50 FRA-FCO-GIG-EZE P 0 747 1
AR 161 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 19:00 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 20:40 FRA-FCO-GIG-EZE P 0 747 7
AR 161 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 19:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:30 FRA-FCO-GIG-EZE P 1 747 7
AR 161 FRA FRANKFURT, GERMANY 19:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 8:50 FRA-FCO-GIG-EZE P 2 747 7
AR 161 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 22:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:30 FRA-FCO-GIG-EZE P 0 747 7
AR 161 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 22:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 8:50 FRA-FCO-GIG-EZE P 1 747 7
AR 170 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 11:30 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:20 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 0 747 1
AR 170 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 11:30 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 1 747 1
AR 170 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 18:35 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 0 747 7
AR 170 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:15 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 1 747 7
AR 170 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:20 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 2 747 7
AR 170 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 16:00 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 3 747 7
AR 170 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:50 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:15 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 0 747 7
AR 170 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:50 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 13:20 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 1 747 7
AR 170 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 19:50 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 15:40 EZE-GIG-MAD-ORY-ZRH P 2 747 7
AR 171 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 5:55 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 2
AR 171 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 17:45 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 1 747 1
AR 171 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 17:45 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:40 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 2 747 1
AR 171 ZRH ZURICH, SWITZERLAND 17:45 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 3 747 1
AR 171 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 22:00 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 1
AR 171 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:40 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 1 747 1
AR 171 ORY PARIS(ORLY), FRANCE 20:10 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 2 747 1
AR 171 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 4:40 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 0 747 1
AR 171 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 23:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:00 ZRH-ORY-MAD-GIG-EZE P 1 747 1
AR 302 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 23:00 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 6:40 EZE-MIA P 0 74L 5
AR 303 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 20:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 6:15 MIA-EZE P 0 74L 6
AR 310 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 23:00 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 6:40 EZE-MIA-JFK P 0 74L 6
AR 310 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 23:00 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 10:35 EZE-MIA-JFK P 1 74L 6
AR 311 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 19:55 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:15 JFK-MIA-EZE P 1 74L 7
AR 311 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 23:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 9:15 JFK-MIA-EZE P 0 74L 7
AR 316 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 23:00 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 8:15 EZE-JFK-YYZ P 0 747 4
AR 316 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 23:00 YYZ TORONTO(PEARSON INTL), ON, CANADA 10:50 EZE-JFK-YYZ P 1 747 4
AR 317 YYZ TORONTO(PEARSON INTL), ON, CANADA 15:45 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 6:10 YYZ-JFK-EZE P 1 747 5
AR 317 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 19:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 6:10 YYZ-JFK-EZE P 0 747 5
AR 326 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 9:30 YMX MONTREAL(MIRABEL), QC, CANADA 10:40 EZE-GIG-JFK-YMX P 0 747 6
AR 326 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 20:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 22:35 EZE-GIG-JFK-YMX P 0 747 5
AR 326 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 20:00 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 8:15 EZE-GIG-JFK-YMX P 1 747 5
AR 326 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 20:00 YMX MONTREAL(MIRABEL), QC, CANADA 10:40 EZE-GIG-JFK-YMX P 2 747 5
AR 326 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 23:55 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 8:15 EZE-GIG-JFK-YMX P 0 747 5
AR 326 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 23:55 YMX MONTREAL(MIRABEL), QC, CANADA 10:40 EZE-GIG-JFK-YMX P 1 747 5
AR 327 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 7:15 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 10:20 YMX-JFK-GIG-EZE P 0 747 7
AR 327 YMX MONTREAL(MIRABEL), QC, CANADA 16:50 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 18:00 YMX-JFK-GIG-EZE P 0 747 6
AR 327 YMX MONTREAL(MIRABEL), QC, CANADA 16:50 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 6:00 YMX-JFK-GIG-EZE P 1 747 6
AR 327 YMX MONTREAL(MIRABEL), QC, CANADA 16:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 10:20 YMX-JFK-GIG-EZE P 2 747 6
AR 327 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 19:55 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 6:00 YMX-JFK-GIG-EZE P 0 747 6
AR 327 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 19:55 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 10:20 YMX-JFK-GIG-EZE P 1 747 6
AR 332 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 20:00 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 22:35 EZE-GIG-MIA-JFK P 0 747 2 7
AR 332 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 20:00 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 7:15 EZE-GIG-MIA-JFK P 1 747 2 7
AR 332 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 20:00 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 11:10 EZE-GIG-MIA-JFK P 2 747 2 7
AR 332 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 23:55 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 7:15 EZE-GIG-MIA-JFK P 0 747 2 7
AR 332 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 23:55 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 11:10 EZE-GIG-MIA-JFK P 1 747 2 7
AR 333 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 10:10 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 13:15 JFK-MIA-GIG-EZE P 0 747 2 4
AR 333 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 19:55 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 8:55 JFK-MIA-GIG-EZE P 1 747 1 3
AR 333 JFK NEW YORK(KENNEDY), NY, USA 19:55 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 13:15 JFK-MIA-GIG-EZE P 2 747 1 3
AR 333 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 23:50 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 8:55 JFK-MIA-GIG-EZE P 0 747 1 3
AR 333 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 23:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 13:15 JFK-MIA-GIG-EZE P 1 747 1 3
AR 384 LIM LIMA, PERU 0:30 MEX MEXICO CITY(JUAREZ INTL), MEXICO 5:00 EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX P 0 747 2 4 7
AR 384 LIM LIMA, PERU 0:30 LAX LOS ANGELES(INTL), CA, USA 8:40 EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX P 1 747 2 4 7
AR 384 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 21:00 LIM LIMA, PERU 23:30 EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX P 0 747 1 3 6
AR 384 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 21:00 MEX MEXICO CITY(JUAREZ INTL), MEXICO 5:00 EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX P 1 747 1 3 6
AR 384 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 21:00 LAX LOS ANGELES(INTL), CA, USA 8:40 EZE-LIM-MEX-LAX P 2 747 1 3 6
AR 385 LIM LIMA, PERU 1:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:05 LAX-MEX-LIM-EZE P 0 747 1 3 5
AR 385 LAX LOS ANGELES(INTL), CA, USA 12:00 LIM LIMA, PERU 23:59 LAX-MEX-LIM-EZE P 1 747 2 4 7
AR 385 LAX LOS ANGELES(INTL), CA, USA 12:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:05 LAX-MEX-LIM-EZE P 2 747 2 4 7
AR 385 MEX MEXICO CITY(JUAREZ INTL), MEXICO 17:30 LIM LIMA, PERU 23:59 LAX-MEX-LIM-EZE P 0 747 2 4 7
AR 385 MEX MEXICO CITY(JUAREZ INTL), MEXICO 17:30 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 7:05 LAX-MEX-LIM-EZE P 1 747 2 4 7
AR 880 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 0:30 RGL RIO GALLEGOS, SC, ARGENTINA 3:40 EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD P 0 747 4
AR 880 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 0:30 AKL AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND 7:10 EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD P 1 747 4
AR 880 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 0:30 SYD SYDNEY(INTL), NS, AUSTRALIA 10:15 EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD P 2 747 4
AR 880 RGL RIO GALLEGOS, SC, ARGENTINA 5:40 AKL AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND 7:10 EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD P 0 747 4
AR 880 RGL RIO GALLEGOS, SC, ARGENTINA 5:40 SYD SYDNEY(INTL), NS, AUSTRALIA 10:15 EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD P 1 747 4
AR 881 SYD SYDNEY(INTL), NS, AUSTRALIA 12:00 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 15:00 SYD-AKL-EZE P 1 747 5
AR 881 AKL AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND 18:10 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 15:00 SYD-AKL-EZE P 0 747 5
AR 1303 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 9:05 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 12:10 MIA-SJU-GIG-EZE P 0 747 7
AR 1303 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 20:50 GIG RIO DE JANEIRO(INTL), RJ, BRAZIL 7:50 MIA-SJU-GIG-EZE P 1 747 6
AR 1303 MIA MIAMI(INTL), FL, USA 20:50 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 12:10 MIA-SJU-GIG-EZE P 2 747 6

dcajet wrote:

One 747 (LV-MLO) went to Flying Tigers until 1990, flying troops for the US Armed Forces. It always kept its LV-registry.

A caveat to that is Federal Express merged Flying Tigers later in 1989 so LV-MLO may well have worn the small Federal Express sticker behind the cockpit windows while it was carrying troops after the August 1989 merger date. I got to fly N890FT (formerly EI-BPH) 747-133 from Osan AB back to Oakland (via Yokota and Anchorage) in January 1989 and aboard that flight I learned about the forthcoming purchase of FT by Federal Express. Thankfully, I photo'd FT's LV-MLO at Osan several times during 1988, as well as EI-BPH/N890FT and a number of the freighters.

Moe

aeromoe wrote:

dcajet wrote:

One 747 (LV-MLO) went to Flying Tigers until 1990, flying troops for the US Armed Forces. It always kept its LV-registry.

A caveat to that is Federal Express merged Flying Tigers later in 1989 so LV-MLO may well have worn the small Federal Express sticker behind the cockpit windows while it was carrying troops after the August 1989 merger date. I got to fly N890FT (formerly EI-BPH) 747-133 from Osan AB back to Oakland (via Yokota and Anchorage) in January 1989 and aboard that flight I learned about the forthcoming purchase of FT by Federal Express. Thankfully, I photo'd FT's LV-MLO at Osan several times during 1988, as well as EI-BPH/N890FT and a number of the freighters.

Moe

LV- MLO had a colorful history after its return from FedEx in 1990. It flew all over the AR network until its retirement in the very early 2000s. It was then parked at EZE waiting its date with the scrappers. That was when things took a turn to the not so sweet hereafter. As MLO laid there, strange noises and lights coming from the abandoned plane were heard, Staff reported seeing the ghost of a flight attendant that had died a few months earlier from cancer and who had done her final flight on LV-MLO, a few weeks before her passing. The plane has since been parted out and sold for scrap.

dcajet wrote:

aeromoe wrote:

dcajet wrote:

One 747 (LV-MLO) went to Flying Tigers until 1990, flying troops for the US Armed Forces. It always kept its LV-registry.

A caveat to that is Federal Express merged Flying Tigers later in 1989 so LV-MLO may well have worn the small Federal Express sticker behind the cockpit windows while it was carrying troops after the August 1989 merger date. I got to fly N890FT (formerly EI-BPH) 747-133 from Osan AB back to Oakland (via Yokota and Anchorage) in January 1989 and aboard that flight I learned about the forthcoming purchase of FT by Federal Express. Thankfully, I photo'd FT's LV-MLO at Osan several times during 1988, as well as EI-BPH/N890FT and a number of the freighters.

Moe

LV- MLO had a colorful history after its return from FedEx in 1990. It flew all over the AR network until its retirement in the very early 2000s. It was then parked at EZE waiting its date with the scrappers. That was when things took a turn to the not so sweet hereafter. As MLO laid there, strange noises and lights coming from the abandoned plane were heard, Staff reported seeing the ghost of a flight attendant that had died a few months earlier from cancer and who had done her final flight on LV-MLO, a few weeks before her passing. The plane has since been parted out and sold for scrap.

Interesting story! One cool thing about my flight home on N890FT in Jan 89, we pulled into ANC in middle of the night in a rather heavy snowfall and, not surprisingly, we parked right next to LV-MLO, both of us on troop runs of course. I was unable to take a photo of both jets due to the crazy hour and snow. I have to check my logs to see whether I saw LV-MLO anymore times during 89 or 90...I got stationed in Arizona and visited LAX a number of times.

dcajet wrote:

aeromoe wrote:

dcajet wrote:

One 747 (LV-MLO) went to Flying Tigers until 1990, flying troops for the US Armed Forces. It always kept its LV-registry.

A caveat to that is Federal Express merged Flying Tigers later in 1989 so LV-MLO may well have worn the small Federal Express sticker behind the cockpit windows while it was carrying troops after the August 1989 merger date. I got to fly N890FT (formerly EI-BPH) 747-133 from Osan AB back to Oakland (via Yokota and Anchorage) in January 1989 and aboard that flight I learned about the forthcoming purchase of FT by Federal Express. Thankfully, I photo'd FT's LV-MLO at Osan several times during 1988, as well as EI-BPH/N890FT and a number of the freighters.

Moe

LV- MLO had a colorful history after its return from FedEx in 1990. It flew all over the AR network until its retirement in the very early 2000s. It was then parked at EZE waiting its date with the scrappers. That was when things took a turn to the not so sweet hereafter. As MLO laid there, strange noises and lights coming from the abandoned plane were heard, Staff reported seeing the ghost of a flight attendant that had died a few months earlier from cancer and who had done her final flight on LV-MLO, a few weeks before her passing. The plane has since been parted out and sold for scrap.

Interesting story! One cool thing about my flight home on N890FT in Jan 89, we pulled into ANC in middle of the night in a rather heavy snowfall and, not surprisingly, we parked right next to LV-MLO, both of us on troop runs of course. I was unable to take a photo of both jets due to the crazy hour and snow. I have to check my logs to see whether I saw LV-MLO anymore times during 89 or 90...I got stationed in Arizona and visited LAX a number of times.


747-287B LV-MLO at Osan AB, ROK during 1988.


Getting ready to board 747-133 N890FT at Osan AB, ROK January 4, 1989.

Yeap. That was her. Interesting that even when carrying US troops. it flew the Argentinian flag.

When she was first delivered, she had JT9D engines with different nacelles,but these were changed to the regular JT9D ones shortly after. Here she is seen at LHR in 1979 with the original engines as delivered.



Here she is at EZE when she was home to beings that could't be quite explained:

Now that we are talking about AR's 742s, correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing a scrapped one lying on the same field where Top Gear used to make their car testing, ain't it?

An ex- AR one? Or other 747?

dcajet wrote:

An ex- AR one? Or other 747?

I remember a mostly white 742 with the Marsans era dark blue tail. But always in the background so couldn't give it a proper look.

Probably this one

http://www.airshows.org.uk/2005/airshow ... hs/747.jpg

AtomicGarden wrote:

dcajet wrote:

An ex- AR one? Or other 747?

I remember a mostly white 742 with the Marsans era dark blue tail. But always in the background so couldn't give it a proper look.

Probably this one

http://www.airshows.org.uk/2005/airshow ... hs/747.jpg

A closer look at that 747 shows it has RR engines, which AR never operated.

In any case, all the 747s ordered by AR new from Boeing (with the exception of the first one, LV-LZD which went from AR to Virgin Atlantic) have been scrapped in Argentina.

The very first route with the brand new type on the fleet, the 747-287B was EZE-GIG-MAD-FCO-FRA and FRA-FCO-MAD-GIG-EZE just one time per week, starting this route on Jan 1977 with the LV-LZD.

I flew from EZE to Rio Gallegos on a 747 that the flight crew said was the first 747 ever entered into the AR fleet, this was back in '98 and the plane was showing her age. If i remember the plane went on to SYD, we transferred on to Ushuaia which was the scariest landing I have ever experienced; all around a very memorable day on Aerolinas Argentinas.

gollumSD wrote:

I flew from EZE to Rio Gallegos on a 747 that the flight crew said was the first 747 ever entered into the AR fleet, this was back in '98 and the plane was showing her age. If i remember the plane went on to SYD, we transferred on to Ushuaia which was the scariest landing I have ever experienced; all around a very memorable day on Aerolinas Argentinas.

The first 747 was LV-LZD (line number 274) which left the fleet in 1982, was returned to Boeing and stored in Las Vegas. In 1984 I flew it to Paine Field for delivery to Virgin Atlantic. It was a rather memorable flight as passing thru FL250 the Captain's side window delaminated (the proverbial shotgun blast) and scared the **** out of me and the performance engineer sitting behind me (Phil Condit's future 4th wife). Have the window hanging on a wall at home.

gollumSD wrote:

I flew from EZE to Rio Gallegos on a 747 that the flight crew said was the first 747 ever entered into the AR fleet, this was back in '98 and the plane was showing her age. If i remember the plane went on to SYD, we transferred on to Ushuaia which was the scariest landing I have ever experienced; all around a very memorable day on Aerolinas Argentinas.

That was probably LV-MLO which was delivered to AR in Dec 1978. Its career is described on this thread. The first ever 747 delivered to AR was LV-LZD, in Dec 1976 and which was returned to Boeing in 1982 as part payment for an order of 6 more modern JT9D-7Q powered 747-287Bs.

Towards 1998 LV-MLO was in the twilight of its career, having been retired in 2001.

You probably landed at Ushuaia's old airport which was a sight to behold. Only the 737-200 was certified to land there with a special procedure developed by AR abs Boeing. Not long after a new airport was opened, capable to handle all types of aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2QmfRNHFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7TrAiUo6Iw

gollumSD wrote:

I flew from EZE to Rio Gallegos on a 747 that the flight crew said was the first 747 ever entered into the AR fleet, this was back in '98 and the plane was showing her age. If i remember the plane went on to SYD, we transferred on to Ushuaia which was the scariest landing I have ever experienced; all around a very memorable day on Aerolinas Argentinas.

The first 747 ever on AR fleet was LV-LZD (747-287B/LN 274), delivered to AR on Dec/1976, returned to Boeing in Jan 1982, sold to VS in Jun 1984 finishing it's life serving in N9 since Dec 2001 till 2008, when stored at VCV.

Some of you old farts might be able to help out this person:

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/623 ... aries.html

Slightly OT, but a treat for me in April 1996 was flying on an AR 747-200 (LV-OPA) from Iguazu (IGR) to EZE. A domestic flight of just 670 miles.

The AKL and SYD flights only stopped at Rio Gallegos on the westbound leg. For a short time it only went as far as AKL then SYD passengers took Ansett for the Tasman hop. I did this in 1996.

When the A340 took over the Rio Gallegos stop ceased. In 2012 they dropped AKL and went nonstop to SYD. I did this in 2012. A long flight on a clapped out A340. Ended Australia not long after which was sad considering how long they'd flown the route.

The Top Gear 747 was G-BDXJ purchased by BA.