After doing some “fake” book, I discovered that MCO-GRU on delta wasn’t bookable after March 10th. The route isn’t seasonal, so is it ending? I haven’t heard anything, som just curious. Let me know what you all think.

Looks like it, my friend who works for DL at MCO seems shocked as DL just hired a bunch of Portuguese speaker specifically for the GRU flight.

I was talking with a gate agent in MCO the other day and he also mentioned the rumor is that MCO-GRU is indeed ending.

It also appears that the DTW to GRU flight is ending the same day as well.

AlexBrewster03 wrote:

It also appears that the DTW to GRU flight is ending the same day as well.

Ooh. I know someone who won’t be happy about that.

MCO and DTW to GRU are ending.

Detroit313 wrote:

MCO and DTW to GRU are ending.

DTW-GRU isnt going anywhere. It's still loaded.

flymco753 wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

MCO and DTW to GRU are ending.

DTW-GRU isnt going anywhere. It's still loaded.

I thought DL had some low cost maintenance work that occurred in GRU, where basically DL did a utilization flight overnight to GRU, parked the plane for the day in GRU and did some maintenance work on the frame, and then sent it back north on utilization flying overnight again. I could be mistaken on that.

KMCOFlyer wrote:

Looks like it, my friend who works for DL at MCO seems shocked as DL just hired a bunch of Portuguese speaker specifically for the GRU flight.

Were they hired for MCO-GRU, or for BOS-LIS, in the company's mind?

Always thought it was an odd route

kavok wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

MCO and DTW to GRU are ending.

DTW-GRU isnt going anywhere. It's still loaded.

I thought DL had some low cost maintenance work that occurred in GRU, where basically DL did a utilization flight overnight to GRU, parked the plane for the day in GRU and did some maintenance work on the frame, and then sent it back north on utilization flying overnight again. I could be mistaken on that.

Such marginal flying tips to loss-making as the price of fuel increases.

I am upset that Delta is ending the GRU route, However this gives Delta the opportunity to utilize the JV with Delta and GOL. I think Delta agents will be working those flights since it's very common that Delta agents run JV flights. Now, all we need is for AM to move over to AS/4 In Delta will have a pretty good focus city operation going on. Need a few more p2p.

As long as the frame moves to open MCOCDG ......

A long haul flight, full of tourist heading to the rat trap could not have been a pot of gold. Let the Brazilian airlines handle that traffic, they have the point of sale advantage anyways.

xdlx wrote:

As long as the frame moves to open MCOCDG ......

There's a lot of buzz about it, so I second your notion.

Remember that Gol is about to start FOR-MCO and BSB-MCO with their new 737 MAX 8.

In Delta's earning, Latin America was the only negative performer, so maybe they are trimming some bad routes.

tphuang wrote:

In Delta's earning, Latin America was the only negative performer, so maybe they are trimming some bad routes.

Hmm, I see... So Delta is right while AA, UA, LA, AD, AV are all wrong?

AlexBrewster03 wrote:

It also appears that the DTW to GRU flight is ending the same day as well.

Detroit is still loaded into April.

xdlx wrote:

As long as the frame moves to open MCOCDG ......

Perhaps they are moving the frame to Detroit to operate DTW-MAN on the days it isn't operating to GRU from Detroit.

flymco753 wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

MCO and DTW to GRU are ending.

DTW-GRU isnt going anywhere. It's still loaded.

DL makes schedule changes tonight, there is nothing to say they couldn't remove it

Midwestindy wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

MCO and DTW to GRU are ending.

DTW-GRU isnt going anywhere. It's still loaded.

DL makes schedule changes tonight, there is nothing to say they couldn't remove it

DTW-GRU has now been removed.

Makes more sense to connect everyone through ATL or with G3. Ironically enough I'm currently interviewing for a Portuguese FA position, but I assume that's more for LIS and JFK/GRU, ATL-GRU/GIG

xdlx wrote:

As long as the frame moves to open MCOCDG ......

Outside stations other than major cities/hubs generally only see either AMS or CDG. So as long as AMS is flying I doubt you'll see CDG in the near future.

klm617 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

DTW-GRU isnt going anywhere. It's still loaded.

DL makes schedule changes tonight, there is nothing to say they couldn't remove it

DTW-GRU has now been removed.

When does it end? It's still on delta.com in April.

gatibosgru wrote:

Makes more sense to connect everyone through ATL or with G3. Ironically enough I'm currently interviewing for a Portuguese FA position, but I assume that's more for LIS and JFK/GRU, ATL-GRU/GIG

Good luck! Come to New York, it's the best base! We also have JFK-PDL.

BDL757 wrote:

klm617 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

DL makes schedule changes tonight, there is nothing to say they couldn't remove it

DTW-GRU has now been removed.

When does it end? It's still on delta.com in April.

Also still there and bookable into August 2019...

BDL757 wrote:

klm617 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

DL makes schedule changes tonight, there is nothing to say they couldn't remove it

DTW-GRU has now been removed.

When does it end? It's still on delta.com in April.

It's not, it just that DTW-GRU isn't daily and is flown only a few days of the week. He's probably just looking at a date it wasn't operating anyway.

burnsie28 wrote:

BDL757 wrote:

klm617 wrote:

DTW-GRU has now been removed.

When does it end? It's still on delta.com in April.

It's not, it just that DTW-GRU isn't daily and is flown only a few days of the week. He's probably just looking at a date it wasn't operating anyway.

That's what I thought. It's been only a few times per week for a while now; I figured he would've known that!

This can't be right, Deltagoldfinger is ending a poor performing route?

BDL757 wrote:

burnsie28 wrote:

BDL757 wrote:

When does it end? It's still on delta.com in April.

It's not, it just that DTW-GRU isn't daily and is flown only a few days of the week. He's probably just looking at a date it wasn't operating anyway.

That's what I thought. It's been only a few times per week for a while now; I figured he would've known that!

I did do that I checked a weeks worth of dates in April and it was gone but now it's back in there again so I guess we are OK.

BDL757 wrote:

gatibosgru wrote:

Makes more sense to connect everyone through ATL or with G3. Ironically enough I'm currently interviewing for a Portuguese FA position, but I assume that's more for LIS and JFK/GRU, ATL-GRU/GIG

Good luck! Come to New York, it's the best base! We also have JFK-PDL.

If I got to choose I def would!

burnsie28 wrote:

xdlx wrote:

As long as the frame moves to open MCOCDG ......

Outside stations other than major cities/hubs generally only see either AMS or CDG. So as long as AMS is flying I doubt you'll see CDG in the near future.

If you don't understand that MCO is a "major city" (whatever that is) for DL, you aren't in a position to dismiss that possibility.

As an Orlando local, I would be pissed about this except for the fact that I could never afford to fly it since prices were astronomically high. I can assure you that of all the reasons DL decided to end this, money was not one of them.

Also, the fact that they added MCO-AMS fairly recently does make this easier to swallow.

Well, if you price yourselves out of the market, then that, too, is a problem.

axiom wrote:

burnsie28 wrote:

xdlx wrote:

As long as the frame moves to open MCOCDG ......

Outside stations other than major cities/hubs generally only see either AMS or CDG. So as long as AMS is flying I doubt you'll see CDG in the near future.

If you don't understand that MCO is a "major city" (whatever that is) for DL, you aren't in a position to dismiss that possibility.

Not really. MCO used to be a much larger station for Delta. They pretty much had the entire airside to themselves. They allowed the LCC's to take away their market share.

TTailedTiger wrote:

axiom wrote:

burnsie28 wrote:

Outside stations other than major cities/hubs generally only see either AMS or CDG. So as long as AMS is flying I doubt you'll see CDG in the near future.

If you don't understand that MCO is a "major city" (whatever that is) for DL, you aren't in a position to dismiss that possibility.

Not really. MCO used to be a much larger station for Delta. They pretty much had the entire airside to themselves. They allowed the LCC's to take away their market share.

Yes, really. MCO still rivals DL focus cities in revenue and passengers carried.

axiom wrote:

TTailedTiger wrote:

axiom wrote:

If you don't understand that MCO is a "major city" (whatever that is) for DL, you aren't in a position to dismiss that possibility.

Not really. MCO used to be a much larger station for Delta. They pretty much had the entire airside to themselves. They allowed the LCC's to take away their market share.

Yes, really. MCO still rivals DL focus cities in revenue and passengers carried.

Larger than RDU and CVG

Midwestindy wrote:

axiom wrote:

TTailedTiger wrote:

Not really. MCO used to be a much larger station for Delta. They pretty much had the entire airside to themselves. They allowed the LCC's to take away their market share.

Yes, really. MCO still rivals DL focus cities in revenue and passengers carried.

Larger than RDU and CVG

At last reference, yes.

axiom wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

axiom wrote:

Yes, really. MCO still rivals DL focus cities in revenue and passengers carried.

Larger than RDU and CVG

At last reference, yes.

Yeah I was agreeing with you, haha

They never had problem with loads, average of 88% for JAN-AUG 2018.

Market is heavily BR point of sale and the lower than expected recovery of Brazilian economy, BRL devaluation and higher fuel costs lead DL to use these aircrafts elsewhere.

Midwestindy wrote:

axiom wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Larger than RDU and CVG

At last reference, yes.

Yeah I was agreeing with you, haha

Ah, grand.

Here are some revenue numbers for those "not major" cities next to smaller hubs. Obviously, these will have changed somewhat, but only in a direction which supports my point. I welcome more recent data if folks have a public source.

DL 2015 Top US Markets by O&D Revenue
9. MCO - $406.7M
10. SEA - $401.4M
14. CVG - $265.9M
15. TPA - $245.9M
16. FLL - $245.5M
20. RDU - $233.1M
40. AUS - $132.0M

http://sixelconsulting.com/Data/reports ... Sample.pdf

ojjunior wrote:

tphuang wrote:

In Delta's earning, Latin America was the only negative performer, so maybe they are trimming some bad routes.

Hmm, I see... So Delta is right while AA, UA, LA, AD, AV are all wrong?

The Latin American carriers are naturally going to have better brand awareness in their respective countries, and AA and UA’s Latin American gateways have better O&D demand in addition to connecting traffic.

I'm hoping DTW-GRU sticks around (although since it's just 3x weekly I also wouldn't be surprised to see it go...), but it makes sense to me that MCO-GRU is ending. By dropping this route, DL gets two 763 frames back to use on stronger transatlantic routes (e.g. the recently announced upgauge of BOS-DUB). MCO-GRU would really need to be a star performer to outweigh the benefit of serving the MCO-Brazil market via GOL and via DL's own connections over nearby ATL.

Just because DL makes a lot of revenue in MCO let's not assume automatically that there is profit from it.

The Brazilian announcement said DL was committed to serving Brazil from Atlanta, JFK and Detroit.

incitatus wrote:

Just because DL makes a lot of revenue in MCO let's not assume automatically that there is profit from it.

The Brazilian announcement said DL was committed to serving Brazil from Atlanta, JFK and Detroit.

link?

The announcement was made GRU-MCO is being discontinued. Interesting note they are starting ATL-ONT in April and adding a 2nd flight in June. Didn’t see that one coming.

incitatus wrote:

Just because DL makes a lot of revenue in MCO let's not assume automatically that there is profit from it.

The Brazilian announcement said DL was committed to serving Brazil from Atlanta, JFK and Detroit.

If the MCO operation wasn't profitable, it wouldn't be so large, and DL would not be experimenting with routes like MCO-GRU. Is "just because they make a lot of revenue" the new a.net armchair version of "load factor =/= yield"?

Too much capacity BR-US these days ! American started to balance and now Delta. Surprised that the Brazilian airlines remain adding services even with negative finances.

https://www.panrotas.com.br/aviacao/emp ... 59689.html

"A Delta suspenderá seu voo direto entre o Aeroporto Internacional de Orlando e o Aeroporto Internacional de Guarulhos (GRU) a partir de 11 de março de 2019. Ao considerar uma suspensão de rota, a companhia aérea leva em consideração múltiplos fatores como a rentabilidade da rota que, neste caso, não apresenta números positivos, nem perspectivas de melhora no futuro próximo", esclarece, em comunicado oficial.

"A Delta ressalta que está comprometida com o mercado brasileiro, com a sua parceria com a Gol e continuará a atender São Paulo a partir de seus hubs de Atlanta, Detroit e Nova York – JFK, e do Rio de Janeiro para Atlanta. Clientes que forem eventualmente afetados receberão realocação em serviços alternativos Delta.”


"Delta to suspend its direct flight between Orlando and Sao Paulo effective March 11, 2019. To consider a route to be dropped, the airline takes into consideration multiple factors such as route profitability which, in this case, does not present positive numbers, neither perspective of improvement in the near future", clarifies in an official release.

"Delta is committed to the Brazilian Market, with its partner Gol will continue to serve Sao Paulo from its hubs in Atlanta, Detroit and New York-JFK and to Rio de Janeiro from Atlanta. Customers which has been affected will be relocated in another Delta flights."

Will DL give up the slot or move frequencies?