Interior pics of Delta's first A220-100

tinpusher007 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:37 pm

This site has some interior pics of the first A220-100 for DL as well as some trivial facts about it.

https://www.fliegerfaust.com/aviation-news-2611117820.html

evank516 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:56 pm

That is one sexy airplane. I have a feeling I'll end up on a few as more enter service depending on what additional routes out of NYC they're placed on.

tinpusher007 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:44 pm

evank516 wrote:
That is one sexy airplane. I have a feeling I'll end up on a few as more enter service depending on what additional routes out of NYC they're placed on.

Agreed. Im thinking/hoping a top up order will be placed sometime next year.

gsg013 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:33 pm

Very nice plane always wonder if DL will get creative with this plane and fly some special configuration (High J or All J) on some longer haul routes.. Cannot wait until this plane is put on the LGA-BNA route eventually.

737307 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:39 pm

I see 2-3 seat layout each row?

Armodeen · Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:53 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
I see 2-3 seat layout each row?

You can see the larger F seats offset in the first pic, they are 2-2 by the looks of it.

PlanesNTrains · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:00 pm

Should be s nice ride.

sccutler · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:00 pm

Finally, a fit replacement for the MDs.

many321 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:11 pm

A220 if pushed, it can fly transcons, Hope to see Delta do that one day, if not use these planes (especially if they top up with the A220-300) to add second daily flights to SAL, GUA, SJO, TGU, from ATL and LAX.

MIflyer12 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:12 pm

sccutler wrote:
Finally, a fit replacement for the MDs.

A220s will more likely be subbing for CR9/E75s, which themselves will go into service on CR2 routes. Some of the first routes announced have heavy E75/CR9 rotations today.

lightsaber · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:32 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
sccutler wrote:
Finally, a fit replacement for the MDs.

A220s will more likely be subbing for CR9/E75s, which themselves will go into service on CR2 routes. Some of the first routes announced have heavy E75/CR9 rotations today.

Actually, the A220-300 is an excellent MD-80 replacement. The A229-100 (rumor only the first 25, but I hope for more) is a bridge size. Initial will be upgauge.

Sad these weren't available earlier.

I suspect once the A220-100 is proven it will be time to replace the 717s. :devil:

Lightsaber

FlightLevel360 · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:35 pm

Looks like they opted for the B/E Aerospace Pinnacle seat. The reason why the screens look so square is that there's a charging port located right below the screen, and that takes up some space so it looks like a 4:3 aspect ratio screen.

usdcaguy · Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:55 pm

Looks like a DC-9. Not terribly impressive.

Runway28L · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:12 am

That is one really nice interior. :cloudnine:

I thought these planes were going to have the special tablets as the main IFE? Looks like they have the exact same in-seat PTVs as the majority of the fleet based off of those images.

INFINITI329 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:24 am

many321 wrote:
A220 if pushed, it can fly transcons, Hope to see Delta do that one day, if not use these planes (especially if they top up with the A220-300) to add second daily flights to SAL, GUA, SJO, TGU, from ATL and LAX.

The C-Series can fly transcons without breaking a sweat

seabosdca · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:27 am

Both inside and out it looks a whole lot like a refurbished Delta 757 that got left in the dryer too long. That's a very good thing.

If the aircraft proves reliable (the only real question left) there could eventually be a role for more than 200 of them in the fleet. Or, should Airbus ever build an A220-500, many more than that.

flyabr · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:37 am

Widest economy seats of any DL jet!!! i'm hooked!

questions · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:39 am

Looks like a nice aircraft.

NOT a fan of the cheesy, bean counter driven visual cabin divider. Bring back the hard wall and make F respectable again!

What is Y seat pitch?

SteelChair · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:42 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
many321 wrote:
A220 if pushed, it can fly transcons, Hope to see Delta do that one day, if not use these planes (especially if they top up with the A220-300) to add second daily flights to SAL, GUA, SJO, TGU, from ATL and LAX.

The C-Series can fly transcons without breaking a sweat

Delta got the small engines. I wonder how much that will shorten the range?

sxf24 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:45 am

Delta purchased low weight, low thrust airplanes with range limitations in the purchase agreement. If Delta chooses to fly longer routes it will have to pay substantially more. It’s one reason the planes were so cheap.

tinpusher007 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:47 am

SteelChair wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
many321 wrote:
A220 if pushed, it can fly transcons, Hope to see Delta do that one day, if not use these planes (especially if they top up with the A220-300) to add second daily flights to SAL, GUA, SJO, TGU, from ATL and LAX.

The C-Series can fly transcons without breaking a sweat

Delta got the small engines. I wonder how much that will shorten the range?

The engines only come in one "size". And thats what we ordered ours with.

dbo861 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:57 am

questions wrote:
Looks like a nice aircraft.

NOT a fan of the cheesy, bean counter driven visual cabin divider. Bring back the hard wall and make F respectable again!

What is Y seat pitch?

I agree that they look cheesy, until you sit in that first row of Economy. I feel like you get more legroom in those seats than in First Class

sxf24 wrote:
Delta purchased low weight, low thrust airplanes with range limitations in the purchase agreement. If Delta chooses to fly longer routes it will have to pay substantially more. It’s one reason the planes were so cheap.

I thought it was established in the other DL A220 thread that the range limit went away.

questions · Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:00 am

dbo861 wrote:
questions wrote:
Looks like a nice aircraft.

NOT a fan of the cheesy, bean counter driven visual cabin divider. Bring back the hard wall and make F respectable again!

What is Y seat pitch?

I agree that they look cheesy, until you sit in that first row of Economy. I feel like you get more legroom in those seats than in First Class

My post was from the perspective of flying in the F cabin, not Economy.

trex8 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:19 am

Dd they opt for the wider center seat in the triple seat?

lightsaber · Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:33 am

dbo861 wrote:
questions wrote:
Looks like a nice aircraft.

NOT a fan of the cheesy, bean counter driven visual cabin divider. Bring back the hard wall and make F respectable again!

What is Y seat pitch?

I agree that they look cheesy, until you sit in that first row of Economy. I feel like you get more legroom in those seats than in First Class

sxf24 wrote:
Delta purchased low weight, low thrust airplanes with range limitations in the purchase agreement. If Delta chooses to fly longer routes it will have to pay substantially more. It’s one reason the planes were so cheap.

I thought it was established in the other DL A220 thread that the range limit went away.

It was previously established they ordered a low MTOW and reduced fuel allowed loaded. I assume less thrust too. These are controlled by dongles. At the price DL paid, nothing more will be free.

Everything is a paper/dongle upgrade, but these things are tightly controlled.

For DL, it will allow DTW to the whole USA. Probably 2500nm still air range, down from 3,100nm. That is sufficient. Maintenance intervals will be extended, ATC fees off a lower MTOW.

There is no range limit, but Bombardier does limit fuel loaded by the dongle purchased.

Lightsaber

N212R · Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:36 am

tinpusher007 wrote:
The engines only come in one "size".

Yet several posters imply that Delta had some choices to make as concerns the engine?

What are we missing?

jbmitt · Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:51 am

N212R wrote:
tinpusher007 wrote:
The engines only come in one "size".

Yet several posters imply that Delta had some choices to make as concerns the engine?

What are we missing?

I believe that several manufacturers allow you to ‘de-rate’ the engine. It’s still the standard engine but performance is restricted or more economical. I’m not an expert but it probably means longer take offs and that it will be unlikely that the aircraft will show up at airports like EYW or SNA.

FlightLevel360 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:55 am

Runway28L wrote:
That is one really nice interior.

I thought these planes were going to have the special tablets as the main IFE? Looks like they have the exact same in-seat PTVs as the majority of the fleet based off of those images.

The IFE here is GoGo vision touch - exactly what you described. It's basically a wireless system consisting of tablets, with a USB and headphone jack located immediately underneath.

Here's a video of the product during testing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUc74EX84LA

One more thing, these seats aren't wider than any other main cabin seat in DL's fleet. It's the same B/E Aerospace Pinnacle on the A320 family and new 777s, at 18.5 inches wide. Though they are still considerably wider than the seats on the Boeing fleet at 17". It also doesn't look like they opted for the wider middle seat, instead spreading a little more width over all five seats in the row.

burnsie28 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:08 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
That is one really nice interior.

I thought these planes were going to have the special tablets as the main IFE? Looks like they have the exact same in-seat PTVs as the majority of the fleet based off of those images.

The IFE here is GoGo vision touch - exactly what you described. It's basically a wireless system consisting of tablets, with a USB and headphone jack located immediately underneath.

Here's a video of the product during testing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUc74EX84LA

One more thing, these seats aren't wider than any other main cabin seat in DL's fleet. It's the same B/E Aerospace Pinnacle on the A320 family and new 777s, at 18.5 inches wide. Though they are still considerably wider than the seats on the Boeing fleet at 17". It also doesn't look like they opted for the wider middle seat, instead spreading a little more width over all five seats in the row.

These are 18.6, so yes technically they are wider. They A320 has 18.0" seats. Pinnacles come in varying widths.

trex8 wrote:
Dd they opt for the wider center seat in the triple seat?

No instead all seats are spread across the same based on the statement that all seats are 18.6".

TSS · Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:12 am

usdcaguy wrote:
Looks like a DC-9. Not terribly impressive.

Since it's a 2-3 seat layout, the DC-9 look is unavoidable. While I agree that a series of 70s-style "pit groups" comprised of L-shaped sectional sofas arranged around faux suspended fireplaces flanked by narrow floor-to-ceiling windows would have been undeniably cooler, that layout is not very spacially efficient and would have presented major challenges for certification during high-G landings.

September11 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:17 am

I do agree it looks like a DC-9. I would love to fly on it one day.

gatibosgru · Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:18 am

usdcaguy wrote:
Looks like a DC-9. Not terribly impressive.

Minus the huge tablets on the back of every seat

ytz · Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:18 am

lightsaber wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
sccutler wrote:
Finally, a fit replacement for the MDs.

A220s will more likely be subbing for CR9/E75s, which themselves will go into service on CR2 routes. Some of the first routes announced have heavy E75/CR9 rotations today.

Actually, the A220-300 is an excellent MD-80 replacement. The A229-100 (rumor only the first 25, but I hope for more) is a bridge size. Initial will be upgauge.

Sad these weren't available earlier.

I suspect once the A220-100 is proven it will be time to replace the 717s.

Lightsaber

I believe they have to take 35 A220-100s.

I wonder if and when the 717 replacement comes, whether they go for 221s or 223s? Will scope relief still be an issue a decade from now?

DexSwart · Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:38 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:

The IFE here is GoGo vision touch - exactly what you described. It's basically a wireless system consisting of tablets, with a USB and headphone jack located immediately underneath.

Here's a video of the product during testing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUc74EX84LA

This is what I imagined IFE would look like in the future.

All the benefits of having a seat back mounted system, and you also get the benefits of having a streaming based system.

This is a great compromise.

I can’t wait to try out this beauty! Those eye level windows are to die for coming from usually flying 737’s.

FlightLevel360 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:06 am

DexSwart wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:

The IFE here is GoGo vision touch - exactly what you described. It's basically a wireless system consisting of tablets, with a USB and headphone jack located immediately underneath.

Here's a video of the product during testing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUc74EX84LA

This is what I imagined IFE would look like in the future.

All the benefits of having a seat back mounted system, and you also get the benefits of having a streaming based system.

This is a great compromise.

I can’t wait to try out this beauty! Those eye level windows are to die for coming from usually flying 737’s.

I thought there already was an implementation of wireless based seatback IFE. On Sam Chui's PAL A350 review it shows someone removing a seatback tablet and placing another one in its place. Also I read somewhere on RGN that Lufthansa has bragged about installing Zodiac RAVE on its Airbus fleet which supposedly is a streaming based seatback IFE solution.

PotatoPappas · Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 am

usdcaguy wrote:
Looks like a DC-9. Not terribly impressive.

I don`t know what you`re seeing but im highly impressed. 2-3 means a more comfortable ride and IFEs.

many321 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:39 am

lightsaber wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
questions wrote:
Looks like a nice aircraft.

NOT a fan of the cheesy, bean counter driven visual cabin divider. Bring back the hard wall and make F respectable again!

What is Y seat pitch?

I agree that they look cheesy, until you sit in that first row of Economy. I feel like you get more legroom in those seats than in First Class

sxf24 wrote:
Delta purchased low weight, low thrust airplanes with range limitations in the purchase agreement. If Delta chooses to fly longer routes it will have to pay substantially more. It’s one reason the planes were so cheap.

I thought it was established in the other DL A220 thread that the range limit went away.

It was previously established they ordered a low MTOW and reduced fuel allowed loaded. I assume less thrust too. These are controlled by dongles. At the price DL paid, nothing more will be free.

Everything is a paper/dongle upgrade, but these things are tightly controlled.

For DL, it will allow DTW to the whole USA. Probably 2500nm still air range, down from 3,100nm. That is sufficient. Maintenance intervals will be extended, ATC fees off a lower MTOW.

There is no range limit, but Bombardier does limit fuel loaded by the dongle purchased.

Lightsaber

If the A220 series for DL come with engines for 2500nm, I just checked and it seems the A221 can make it to GUA (2192nm) and SAL(2303nm) from LAX. They'll only need to fuel up at GUA or SAL if DL ever considered using these birds for International flights for Mexico and upper Central America from LAX.

upstatedave · Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:48 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:
DexSwart wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:

I thought there already was an implementation of wireless based seatback IFE. On Sam Chui's PAL A350 review it shows someone removing a seatback tablet and placing another one in its place. Also I read somewhere on RGN that Lufthansa has bragged about installing Zodiac RAVE on its Airbus fleet which supposedly is a streaming based seatback IFE solution.

RAVE is a fantastic system, but it's still wired. Each display works like a tablet and self-contained units. A large portion of the movie catalog is stored locally, improving performance and reliability. Content is delivered to the displays via a wired connection.

What's unique about Gogo Vision Touch is that it is truly wireless. The tablets are consumer-grade tablets that are simply provided a power supply and stream content wirelessly. One would hope some content is stored locally as well to reduce the burden on the wireless network.

The argument for years has been that you can't cram that many wireless-enabled devices, along with passenger devices, and not have RF interference issues. Additionally, the redundancy built into the major IFE systems make them highly-reliable. We're all eagerly waiting to see if Gogo and Delta Flight Products (an equally interesting part of this story) have pulled this off successfully.

deltal1011man · Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:07 am

tinpusher007 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:

The C-Series can fly transcons without breaking a sweat

Delta got the small engines. I wonder how much that will shorten the range?

The engines only come in one "size". And thats what we ordered ours with.

Er yes and no.

Its all the same engine is true but Pratt offers a few different thrust options. IIRC its ~20K, ~22K and ~24 or ~25K. Delta went with the ~22K engines.

N212R · Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:45 am

What would be the reason(s) for Delta to choose an engine whose performance is "restricted"? Is this the same engine type that AirBaltic has needed to frequently change? What thrust version are the other A220 customers currently using?

StudiodeKadent · Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:21 am

N212R wrote:
What would be the reason(s) for Delta to choose an engine whose performance is "restricted"?

Lower price of the jets, and lower operating/maintenance costs for Delta. They don't want to pay for "too much airplane."

oldannyboy · Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:46 am

gatibosgru wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
Looks like a DC-9. Not terribly impressive.

Minus the huge tablets on the back of every seat

Yeah, well, minus also the terrible noise of those old Pratts (..don't get me wrong, I love the DC-9, but frankly...), minus the very dry air, minus the small windows, the rough ride in turbulence, the small bins, the noisy air packs... I could go on..

I don't know what people like usdcaguy are really on to.. what were they expecting, lounge sofas and lava lamps?

Amiga500 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:05 am

In flight entertainment... hmmm.

Would it not be cheaper to just supply in-flight internet access, USB charging ports and let the passengers use their own devices?

Amiga500 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:08 am

usdcaguy wrote:
Looks like a DC-9. Not terribly impressive.

Out of interest, what would have impressed you?

debonair · Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:30 am

Runway28L wrote:
That is one really nice interior.

At least from the look... But it's horrible! :vomit:

Having flown on swiss A220's I hope DL is doing a better job! Maybe LX A220's are first production a/c, I have never seen such bad quality - the ceiling were not fitting resulting in huge gaps (seeing the insulating), many broken parts etc.! Worst to come are the overhead bins, opening downwards (not up!) having seen many people hitting their heads (on the 2seater side). LX is now closing the bins for boarding and doing endless announcements like "mind your head" or "please don't leave the bins open"...

MIflyer12 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:55 am

lightsaber wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
sccutler wrote:
Finally, a fit replacement for the MDs.

A220s will more likely be subbing for CR9/E75s, which themselves will go into service on CR2 routes. Some of the first routes announced have heavy E75/CR9 rotations today.

Actually, the A220-300 is an excellent MD-80 replacement. The A229-100 (rumor only the first 25, but I hope for more) is a bridge size. Initial will be upgauge.

Sad these weren't available earlier.

I suspect once the A220-100 is proven it will be time to replace the 717s.

Lightsaber

Look at the first ~ten routes announced and the aircraft on those routes today that are being displaced. It's not a bunch of MD-88s, lightsaber.

planecane · Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:18 am

I like it for the same reason I like the DC-9/MD-80/717 and 767. When I travel with my wife one can have the window, one can have the aisle and no stranger is in between.

Other than that the cabin isn't all that exciting. Seat pitch is much more important than an extra .5" to 1.5" of width for my comfort so that part isn't very exciting to me.

LawAndOrder · Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:27 am

planecane wrote:
I like it for the same reason I like the DC-9/MD-80/717 and 767. When I travel with my wife one can have the window, one can have the aisle and no stranger is in between.

Other than that the cabin isn't all that exciting. Seat pitch is much more important than an extra .5" to 1.5" of width for my comfort so that part isn't very exciting to me.

I believe it's majority if not all 31 inches of pitch which is reasonable. These also aren't DL approved photos. Delta has a different lighting standard. Other than that it is Delta's standard interior. I am sure with all the court battles and bickering even if DL wanted to change the interior the timing could have made them limited in options, as it was unknown if the aircraft was really coming. Also do you not like Delta's interior period or were you expecting more? Delta seats also appear more comfortable than the previous operators (atleast swiss). What seat is swiss using it looks like a slim line seat.

SteelChair · Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:31 am

StudiodeKadent wrote:
N212R wrote:
What would be the reason(s) for Delta to choose an engine whose performance is "restricted"?

Lower price of the jets, and lower operating/maintenance costs for Delta. They don't want to pay for "too much airplane."

People were amazed on the other thread that airBaltic has done 50 engine changes. By 1) getting later engines, and 2) running them derated, Delta no doubt hopes to get more life between engine changes, more "life on the wing." They tripled down by becoming a PW engine shop.

OA940 · Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:57 am

many321 wrote:
A220 if pushed, it can fly transcons, Hope to see Delta do that one day, if not use these planes (especially if they top up with the A220-300) to add second daily flights to SAL, GUA, SJO, TGU, from ATL and LAX.

You don't have to push it to do TCON. The -100 has the range of a 738, and the -300 of a MAX 10, so it can easily do TCON

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