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trijetsonly wrote:That's a good first step but I'm afraid that this would not make anything better.
As far as I understand the slow deliveries before the new sanctions were mainly because of sanctions in the banking and financial sector. If there's no improvement civil aviation may not benefit at all when there are no Euros to buy new Airbus and Boeing airplanes.
flylondon wrote:US doesn't recognise the ICJ so their "order" is meaningless
flylondon wrote:US doesn't recognise the ICJ so their "order" is meaningless
Jetty wrote:flylondon wrote:US doesn't recognise the ICJ so their "order" is meaningless
What are you talking about? They even appoint a judge to the court.
piedmontf284000 wrote:The World Court ordered the United States on Wednesday to ensure that sanctions against Iran do not impact humanitarian aid or civil aviation safety. This has nothing to do with allowing Iran air to fly more routes or buy more airplanes. It allows Iran to continue to buy parts on the open market to ensure that their airlines and airplane are up to date on safety standards.
Armodeen wrote:Just throwing this out there for some of the hot heads. I believe all people of the world have the right to have safe transportation available to them. Their safety should not be impacted because political squabbling or ideological differences.
Regardless of other things Iran should be able to buy and maintain safe civil airliners.
impilot wrote:If (lack of) availability of modern aircraft/business dealings with their aviation industry can put pressure on their policies, the juice may be worth the squeeze. I’ll take an unsafe aircraft flying in the airspace above my land if it lessens the chance of a nuke flying over my land. Or, better yet, Iran can simply choose not to fly their planes if they aren’t safe. Nobody is forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes.
PA515 wrote:impilot wrote:If (lack of) availability of modern aircraft/business dealings with their aviation industry can put pressure on their policies, the juice may be worth the squeeze. I’ll take an unsafe aircraft flying in the airspace above my land if it lessens the chance of a nuke flying over my land. Or, better yet, Iran can simply choose not to fly their planes if they aren’t safe. Nobody is forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes.
What a stupid callous thing to say on an aviation forum. You're no pilot.
PA515
impilot wrote:Armodeen wrote:Just throwing this out there for some of the hot heads. I believe all people of the world have the right to have safe transportation available to them. Their safety should not be impacted because political squabbling or ideological differences.
Regardless of other things Iran should be able to buy and maintain safe civil airliners.
If (lack of) availability of modern aircraft/business dealings with their aviation industry can put pressure on their policies, the juice may be worth the squeeze. I’ll take an unsafe aircraft flying in the airspace above my land if it lessens the chance of a nuke flying over my land. Or, better yet, Iran can simply choose not to fly their planes if they aren’t safe. Nobody is forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes.
Amiga500 wrote:Really surprised Sukhoi were not able to sell a big Superjet fleet into Iran.
I suppose they had quite a few Western suppliers which limited their options.
Kiwirob wrote:Amiga500 wrote:Really surprised Sukhoi were not able to sell a big Superjet fleet into Iran.
I suppose they had quite a few Western suppliers which limited their options.
https://www.eturbonews.com/183950/iran- ... rom-russia
40 is a start.
WaywardMemphian wrote:Kiwirob wrote:Amiga500 wrote:Really surprised Sukhoi were not able to sell a big Superjet fleet into Iran.
I suppose they had quite a few Western suppliers which limited their options.
https://www.eturbonews.com/183950/iran- ... rom-russia
40 is a start.
That really bodes well for the SSJ's operational reliability which we all know is already outstanding.
There is very much somebody forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes, and that's the US sanctions.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:There is very much somebody forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes, and that's the US sanctions.
As if Iran’s continual “death to America” speeches; promise to burn Israel out of existence; support of various wars, terrorist groups and virtual invasion of Iraq didn’t happen. There’s a reason for sanctions and it’s not the US, it’s Iran’s politics.
GF
I don't recall hearing many of these speeches in recent years, compares to what America say.
SRQKEF wrote:impilot wrote:Armodeen wrote:Just throwing this out there for some of the hot heads. I believe all people of the world have the right to have safe transportation available to them. Their safety should not be impacted because political squabbling or ideological differences.
Regardless of other things Iran should be able to buy and maintain safe civil airliners.
If (lack of) availability of modern aircraft/business dealings with their aviation industry can put pressure on their policies, the juice may be worth the squeeze. I’ll take an unsafe aircraft flying in the airspace above my land if it lessens the chance of a nuke flying over my land. Or, better yet, Iran can simply choose not to fly their planes if they aren’t safe. Nobody is forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes.
While this whole post is riddled with inaccuracies and baseless arguments, I have to say the last line really takes the cake. There is very much somebody forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes, and that's the US sanctions. Without them, as we already saw in the years the nuclear treaty was in effect, they run straight to both Airbus and Boeing and order hundreds of new planes.
Aptivaboy wrote:Then you're clearly not watching the news regularly as its a fairly normal event in Iranian politics. To support what GalaxyFlyer has said, I have many students in my classes who are Iranian. They are often quite open about not favoring the existing Iranian government and some are actually embarrassed by its conduct. The Iranian people are by and large an honorable and proud people. Their government... Best I stop before I say something that will get me banned.
Bald1983 wrote:The sanctions exist because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, sponsoring terrorism, and threatening its neighbors, not to mention persecuting its own people.
impilot wrote:Armodeen wrote:Just throwing this out there for some of the hot heads. I believe all people of the world have the right to have safe transportation available to them. Their safety should not be impacted because political squabbling or ideological differences.
Regardless of other things Iran should be able to buy and maintain safe civil airliners.
If (lack of) availability of modern aircraft/business dealings with their aviation industry can put pressure on their policies, the juice may be worth the squeeze. I’ll take an unsafe aircraft flying in the airspace above my land if it lessens the chance of a nuke flying over my land. Or, better yet, Iran can simply choose not to fly their planes if they aren’t safe. Nobody is forcing them to fly old and unsafe planes.
They are often quite open about not favoring the existing Iranian government and some are actually embarrassed by its conduct.
airzona11 wrote:Did the UN issue an order for concessions Iran has to make or is this a one-sided deal?
c933103 wrote:airzona11 wrote:Did the UN issue an order for concessions Iran has to make or is this a one-sided deal?
This is a court order, why would you expect concession?
If only a pack of idiots had not forced regime change on them when they had a secular democratically elected government eh?
airzona11 wrote:c933103 wrote:airzona11 wrote:Did the UN issue an order for concessions Iran has to make or is this a one-sided deal?
This is a court order, why would you expect concession?
Well the sanctions are not arbitrary, there can be disagreement, but there is substance. It seems like for this to be effective there needs to be action on both sides.
qf789 wrote:A reminder to all users to keep your posts ON TOPIC. While this topic has a political element to it, keep it about Civil Aviation only otherwise discuss it in the Non-Aviation forum