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International Routes:
MIA–SCU Airbus A319 Daily Starts May 3
DFW–DGO Embraer E140 Daily Starts June 6
LGA–AUA Boeing 737-800 Saturday Starts June 8
CLT– SDQ Airbus A320 Saturday Starts June 8
DFW–SDQ Boeing 737-800 Saturday June 8–Aug. 17
DFW–SAP Airbus A319 4x weekly June 7–Aug. 17
DFW–TGU Airbus A319 3x weekly June 6–Aug. 20

Domestic Routes:
Beginning March 3, new daily, year-round service:
DFW–Augusta Regional Airport (AGS) in Georgia
DFW–Gainesville Regional Airport (GNV) in Florida
DFW–Yuma International Airport (YUM) in Arizona
DFW–Meadows Field Airport (BFL) in Bakersfield, California

Beginning April 2, new daily service:
DFW–Monterey Regional Airport (MRY) in California (seasonal)
DFW–Flagstaff Pulliam Airport (FLG) in Arizona (year-round)
DFW–Hollywood Burbank Airport (BUR) in California (year-round)

Beginning Feb. 14, new daily service:
Reagan National Airport (DCA) in Washington, D.C.–Will Rogers Airport (OKC) in Oklahoma City
LGA–McGhee Tyson Airport (TYS) in Knoxville, Tennessee
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) in New York–San Antonio International Airport (SAT) in Texas

Beginning Apr. 2, new daily service:
LAX–Tulsa International Airport (TUL) in Oklahoma

Beginning June 8, new seasonal service:
CLT–Cherry Capital Airport (TVC) in Traverse City, Michigan

International routes are subject to government approval. All new routes announced today will be available for sale Oct. 8.

DFW-BUR comes back, that's good. I think it was only a matter of time based on what I heard on here. DFW-FLG was already Saturday only seasonal right? Guess it performed well enough to continue daily and year round!

JFK-SAT seems like a decent add for them too. They're going up against DL who flies it 1x daily right now.

Good to see BFL get some love. DFW-GNV is not a route I would have expected. Thought they flew DFW-BUR. LGA-TYS was there before. DCA-OKC was there before I thought. LAX-TUL was there before I'm pretty sure. JFK-SAT is odd.

I guess this opens the inevitable question...what is getting cut? I expect a significant number of balancing drops.

Nice adds for both LGA-TYS and JFK-SAT. After all, they need to fill those empty JFK slots with something..

enilria wrote:

LAX-TUL was there before I'm pretty sure.

According to old threads on here they flew it for 2-3 years in the very early 2000s on an MD80. Seems like an aggressive plane for that route, but different times 18 years ago. Can't find any more recent reference than that on this board at least. G4 flies it currently as well.

enilria wrote:

Good to see BFL get some love. DFW-GNV is not a route I would have expected. Thought they flew DFW-BUR. LGA-TYS was there before. DCA-OKC was there before I thought. LAX-TUL was there before I'm pretty sure. JFK-SAT is odd.

I guess this opens the inevitable question...what is getting cut? I expect a significant number of balancing drops.

PMAA flew it with MD-80s and exited BUR completely a few years ago. After the merger AA was back in BUR with PHX-BUR flights, so DFW-BUR is more of a reinstatement than new service. DFW-GNV doesn't really surprise me that much given the large college town there and flights to MIA and CLT already happening and DL's sporadic upgauges to mainline on an ATL flight or two.

JFK-SAT isn't as odd as you think. DL flies it now 1x daily, and the both of them fly JFK-AUS already. It'll probably do rather well (FF Base in both TX and NY) and give DL some competition.

With DFW-BFL/SBA/MRY I think SBP would naturally be next. I’m kind of surprised MRY got it before SBP. Assuming these will be more Mesa CR9 routes.

DFW BUR is a good choice to Reopen, lots of people wanted AA to bring that route back... LGA AUA is an interesting addition AA is really taking advantage of those custom pre-clearance facilities JFK SAT, taking DFW out of the picture for people that want to fly to San Antonio from NYC

I’m surprised AA didn’t look at ORD-ONT. ONT has made a comeback this year.

enilria wrote:

Good to see BFL get some love.

My former home airport (it has been SAN since 1999 for me), and from its introduction in 1984 until its end, my family used this flight a LOT visiting family in Arkansas. It broke our hearts when they pulled out, but mom adapted to using United through Denver to XNA instead of the much closer FSM. Of course, when US and AA merged, I figured this would be a no-brainer and that a non-stop would return quickly, but better late than never. Welcome back DFW!!

Interestingly, as of this morning, October 2, 2018, the flights are not yet loaded. Any guesses as to the equipment and frequency?

So far, nobody's mentioned PHX. All these far western cities now being connected nonstop with DFW, overflying PHX -- is that an ominous sign for AA's Arizona hub?

Just wondering.

bb

In the last few years DFW has reached a whole new level !! JFK-SAT is a bit surprising I would say and I had to read it twice to make sure that it wasn't DCA-SAT.

Yes, AA LGA-TYS was flown for exactly one year as part of the DCA slot divestiture after the AA-US merger in 2014. Route was flown once daily on an E-140. Timing was pretty poor. It’ll be interesting to see how this does. At that time DL was flying 2 CRJ-200 to LGA and now they are up to 2-3 CRJ-900 depending on the day of the week. Also United was flying one daily E-145 to EWR and now have mainline on the route and G4 flies it twice weekly. Will be interesting to see if it sticks.

SANFan wrote:

So far, nobody's mentioned PHX. All these far western cities now being connected nonstop with DFW, overflying PHX -- is that an ominous sign for AA's Arizona hub?

Just wondering.

bb

Sure looks ominous for PHX. I’d imagine PHX loses a daily frequency to all of those cities at the least.

enilria wrote:

Good to see BFL get some love. DFW-GNV is not a route I would have expected. Thought they flew DFW-BUR. LGA-TYS was there before. DCA-OKC was there before I thought. LAX-TUL was there before I'm pretty sure. JFK-SAT is odd.

I guess this opens the inevitable question...what is getting cut? I expect a significant number of balancing drops.

TUL-LAX was there before. I flew it back in Dec of 02 or 03 on MD80

I like the TVC add a lot but was hoping for PHL or DCA seasonally.

Maybe a little off topic but is DFW - AMS coming back next year?

The 3:10 to Yuma. Seriously, is there enough business to Yuma and Flagstaff to support year around service. Apparently someone in Fort Worth think so. Guess we have to wait until next Monday to find out what kind of equipment will operate the flights.

On second thought if a passenger is going beyond DFW, this service does make sense, now will it be profitable?

DFW - FLG/ YUM all first shots fired in the much anticipated dehubbing of PHX?

enilria wrote:

Good to see BFL get some love. DFW-GNV is not a route I would have expected. Thought they flew DFW-BUR. LGA-TYS was there before. DCA-OKC was there before I thought. LAX-TUL was there before I'm pretty sure. JFK-SAT is odd.

I guess this opens the inevitable question...what is getting cut? I expect a significant number of balancing drops.

DCA-OKC has not been served by AA. WN just announced it a couple months ago and starts in November so it'll be interesting to see this route go from no non-stops to two different carriers in short time. Lots of traffic between the two though and of course gets added 6 months after I leave DC. I would've used this route at least once a month! I wouldn't be surprised to see OKC lose one of its PHL frequencies as it looks like those flights have been rather light just from following them on AA.com and my buddy that lives in Boston and non-revs back to OKC frequently always takes the PHL option because of how open he says it is. I bet they lose a DFW frequency or two as the S80's go away.

No gains for my new home, COS... I still can't believe we can't get at least one RJ to PHX yet places like LBB, AMA can...

910A wrote:

The 3:10 to Yuma. Seriously, is there enough business to Yuma and Flagstaff to support year around service. Apparently someone in Fort Worth think so. Guess we have to wait until next Monday to find out what kind of equipment will operate the flights.

On second thought if a passenger is going beyond DFW, this service does make sense, now will it be profitable?

With the mega hub at DFW, none of these new routes should have a problem with loads. While as a stand alone route it might not be profitable, it could still make sense to fly these routes when looking at it systemwide. DFW is really becoming impressive!

On a personal note, I am very happy that BUR is finally coming back. What took them so long?

Adipocere wrote:

DFW - FLG/ YUM all first shots fired in the much anticipated dehubbing of PHX?

PHX won’t be fully dehubbed but it does look like some RJ flying is being moved to DFW.

Adipocere wrote:

DFW - FLG/ YUM all first shots fired in the much anticipated dehubbing of PHX?

You mean like the recently announced AA PHX-LHR service?

AA adds a few RJ routes from DFW, and suddenly people are talking about PHX getting dehubbed....huh? How does that make sense?

Vctony wrote:

SANFan wrote:

So far, nobody's mentioned PHX. All these far western cities now being connected nonstop with DFW, overflying PHX -- is that an ominous sign for AA's Arizona hub?

Just wondering.

bb

Sure looks ominous for PHX. I’d imagine PHX loses a daily frequency to all of those cities at the least.

Hardly.

PHX has four dailies to Yuma and three to Flagstaff. This has less to do with PHX and more to do with the strength of these cities. Yuma is a huge military town and Flagstaff is a large college town, has a ton of wealth in it and near it, and is a natural jumping off point for the south rim of the grand canyon and Sedona.

You guys have been erroneously predicting the death of PHX for years now, give it a rest, it's uneducated nonsense perpetuated by people who have no clue what they're talking about.

Still hoping they add MEM/LAX soon

B747forever wrote:

Adipocere wrote:

DFW - FLG/ YUM all first shots fired in the much anticipated dehubbing of PHX?

You mean like the recently announced AA PHX-LHR service?

And the A330 upgauge to HNL and CLT.

Legend757 wrote:

DFW–SAP Airbus A319 4x weekly June 7–Aug. 17
DFW–TGU Airbus A319 3x weekly June 6–Aug. 20

Long overdue dream!

I wonder what the schedule would be?

777PHX wrote:

B747forever wrote:

Adipocere wrote:

DFW - FLG/ YUM all first shots fired in the much anticipated dehubbing of PHX?

You mean like the recently announced AA PHX-LHR service?

And the A330 upgauge to HNL and CLT.

And the recently announced seasonal flights PHX-GRR/MSN

JFK-SAT is an interesting add. Hopefully they will add JFK-IAH/HOU someday (wishful thinking, I know)

I bet the LAX-TUL flight is, for all intents and purposes, a ferry flight to send an aircraft in for maintenance. On ORD-TUL, there is a very late arrival at TUL with a 738 and a very early departure from TUL with a 738. According to a 738 captain I know, that R/T is a ferry flight to rotate 738s in and out of the maintenance hanger.

redwingspilot wrote:

777PHX wrote:

B747forever wrote:

You mean like the recently announced AA PHX-LHR service?

And the A330 upgauge to HNL and CLT.

And the recently announced seasonal flights PHX-GRR/MSN

One of the PHX-ORD dailies is apparently going 787-8 next year too.

Midwestindy wrote:

AA adds a few RJ routes from DFW, and suddenly people are talking about PHX getting dehubbed....huh? How does that make sense?

Because the inherent logic being applied is that aviation is a zero sum game. Add one, cut one - which is flawed.

PHX is not being dehubbed. DFW may outpace it's growth, but thats vastly different than the dehubbing panic that seems to pop up weekly. AA recently announced PHX-LHR.. I think that should put the hub status
discussion to rest.

With DFW gates bursting at the seams, I wonder how soon it will be until we see Terminal F plans. Or if AA will get creative and find ways to squeeze in more gates, spurs, sattelite terminals, or maybe a late night bank of arrivals and departures.

Also curious to see which seasonal international flights will go year round. AMS, FCO, DUB, MUC, and these new Latin America flights could be candidates. KEF, probably not due to the weather in Winter.

Antarius wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

AA adds a few RJ routes from DFW, and suddenly people are talking about PHX getting dehubbed....huh? How does that make sense?

Because the inherent logic being applied is that aviation is a zero sum game. Add one, cut one - which is flawed.

PHX is not being dehubbed. DFW may outpace it's growth, but thats vastly different than the dehubbing panic that seems to pop up weekly. AA recently announced PHX-LHR.. I think that should put the hub status
discussion to rest.

It doesn't even make logical sense. FLG and Yuma traffic is heavily PHX O&D biased, moreso than anywhere else. If AA were cutting PHX, those would be the last routes to get cut, not the first.

Haven’t announced any new PHL adds but some are probably coming.

Antarius wrote:

JFK-SAT is an interesting add. Hopefully they will add JFK-IAH/HOU someday (wishful thinking, I know)

Absolutely. For once we see a route added out of JFK after seeing so much cut at that hub. Now let's see how long it will last.

enilria wrote:

..I guess this opens the inevitable question...what is getting cut? I expect a significant number of balancing drops.

Indeed.

jb1087xna wrote:

enilria wrote:

LAX-TUL was there before I'm pretty sure.

According to old threads on here they flew it for 2-3 years in the very early 2000s on an MD80. Seems like an aggressive plane for that route, but different times 18 years ago. Can't find any more recent reference than that on this board at least. G4 flies it currently as well.

I'm almost certain LAX-TUL would have been there to rotate aircraft into the giant maintenance base at TUL. Heck, if it ends up being mainline, that's probably still the point of the flight. Might as well sell tickets to make back some of the cost.

Adipocere wrote:

DFW - FLG/ YUM all first shots fired in the much anticipated dehubbing of PHX?

I think they probably will be looking at how these routes perform versus their PHX counterparts with an eye toward reducing the hub. There's not much in the way of connecting traffic which can't be handled via DFW or LAX instead, and WN is often the leading carrier in large O&D markets from PHX, so it is difficult for AA to leverage the hub for higher yields on local traffic.

Vctony wrote:

PHX won’t be fully dehubbed but it does look like some RJ flying is being moved to DFW.

PHX isn't short on capacity, so there's no real need to move the RJ flying to DFW unless this is part of a longer-term plan.

Legend757 wrote:

DFW–TGU Airbus A319 3x weekly June 6–Aug. 20

This is interesting considering that they'll probably need to maintain a group of appropriately-trained pilots (for TGU's challenging terrain environment & short runway) at DFW for the 3x weekly service.

Was hoping to see DFW-PVD on that list.

These RJ adds give more one stop opportunities than PHX across the entire lower 48.

RJNUT wrote:

I like the TVC add a lot but was hoping for PHL or DCA seasonally.

They may have some PHL announcements later. I know the local folks at SBN were told to expect a PHL flight within 18 months.

ericm2031 wrote:

With DFW-BFL/SBA/MRY I think SBP would naturally be next. I’m kind of surprised MRY got it before SBP. Assuming these will be more Mesa CR9 routes.

Not a chance. The runway length will prohibit it. Right now, even when raining its a struggle from PHX.

777PHX wrote:

Antarius wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

AA adds a few RJ routes from DFW, and suddenly people are talking about PHX getting dehubbed....huh? How does that make sense?

Because the inherent logic being applied is that aviation is a zero sum game. Add one, cut one - which is flawed.

PHX is not being dehubbed. DFW may outpace it's growth, but thats vastly different than the dehubbing panic that seems to pop up weekly. AA recently announced PHX-LHR.. I think that should put the hub status
discussion to rest.

It doesn't even make logical sense. FLG and Yuma traffic is heavily PHX O&D biased, moreso than anywhere else. If AA were cutting PHX, those would be the last routes to get cut, not the first.

The growth in PHX is a new market here, new market there. But to say FLG & YUM are O&D is crazy, there is hardly any O&D on these flights, its all connections.

Vctony wrote:

Sure looks ominous for PHX. I’d imagine PHX loses a daily frequency to all of those cities at the least.

Given PHX-FLG was just loaded in one of last week's OAG filings as going from 3 to 4 frequencies for next summer, I'd say that would be an unlikely indication. Even when DFW-FLG ran last year, PHX was still the strongest performer. For YUM, the DFW service will be very beneficial in moving military bags and folks from back east (it will eliminate some double connects).

redwingspilot wrote:

777PHX wrote:

B747forever wrote:

You mean like the recently announced AA PHX-LHR service?

And the A330 upgauge to HNL and CLT.

And the recently announced seasonal flights PHX-GRR/MSN

Even with G4 flying to IWA SBN can even support a seasonal E175 flight to PHX

AA flew JFK IAH a few years ago

AA flew LGA HOU AUS for years

One more thing to add to my comment above regarding BUR.

I think it is still weird to see BUR referred to as "Hollywood Burbank Airport". For me it will always be Bob Hope airport.

Great news!

DFW, CLT, JFK, LGA, MIA, LAX, DCA all getting something!