CONFIRMED: Air France Announces Dallas-Paris starting 2019

mfe777 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:33 pm

Up to 5 weekly flights starting March 31th for the entire 2019 summer season;
Operated by Airbus A330 equipped with the latest travel cabins and a capacity of 224 seats;
Air France’s 13th destination in the US.

Starting March 31th, 2019, Air France will fly from Paris-Charles de Gaulle to Dallas (United States). The thirteenth US destination* operated on departure from Paris, will be operated by an Airbus A330 with a capacity of 224 seats and equipped with the latest long-haul travel cabins, with 36 seats in the Business cabin, 21 seats in the Premium Economy cabin and 167 seats in the Economy cabin. Throughout the summer 2019 season, up to 5 weekly flights will connect the two cities.

Flight schedules (in local time):

AF150: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:10, arrives in Dallas at 13:50;
AF159: leaves Dallas at 15:45, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:15.

From March 31th to June 30th and from September 4th to October 25th 2019: flights operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
From July 1st to September 1st: flights operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... estination

mfe777 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:34 pm

I wish them much success, and hope the flights go year round. AF started Dallas back in 2001, but pulled the flights shortly after the 9/11 attacks.

mfe777 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:37 pm

Does anyone with a better knowledge of the Air France schedule know if a 10:10am departure on CDG-DFW leaves enough morning connection opportunities on routes like ABC-CDG-DFW? Does AF have a big arrival bank in the morning?

Brandon757 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:47 pm

Thank God for a new tail in DFW.

avi8 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:48 pm

CDG is a massive hub. There are plenty of flights that arrive before the DFW flight departs.

ubeema · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:49 pm

Wow I’m so happy about that news. Planes4you started a thread about this yesterday.
The 8:15 arrival at CDG is perfect to make onward connections to Africa for me. I could not do that with AA arrival at 9:40 in T2A

MIflyer12 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:53 pm

mfe777 wrote:
Does anyone with a better knowledge of the Air France schedule know if a 10:10am departure on CDG-DFW leaves enough morning connection opportunities on routes like ABC-CDG-DFW? Does AF have a big arrival bank in the morning?

See FlightStats.com for arrival data of AF flights. There are plenty of arrivals from Europe and Africa for which that will be a legal and logical connection.

dabpit · Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:57 pm

Congrats to DFW! Much deserved add for them.

ScottB · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:00 pm

mfe777 wrote:
Does anyone with a better knowledge of the Air France schedule know if a 10:10am departure on CDG-DFW leaves enough morning connection opportunities on routes like ABC-CDG-DFW? Does AF have a big arrival bank in the morning?

There's a ton of stuff that arrives CDG early in the morning; a bunch of DL's flights (which are fed by the AF hub) depart between 10 and 10:30 AM.

mfe777 wrote:
Up to 5 weekly flights starting March 31th for the entire 2019 summer season;

Sort of embarrassing that AF's English-language press release (which should be written by someone with a good command of English) used "March 31th." And not a single mention of Fort Worth in the press release; bet they love that on the other side of the Metroplex.

trpmb6 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:01 pm

Anyone seen, or want to hazard a guess, what their business class offering will cost each way? Will be exciting to have another option out of DFW to Europe, and the timing of this would be perfect for me actually.

ubeema · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:02 pm

Looks this topic is heavily discussed here
Air France Us expansion
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_ ... are_type=t

kavok · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:17 pm

Great for DFW. It is nice to finally see some other airlines challenge the interior USA fortresss hubs on TATL flights. Competition is much needed to challenge the monopolistic high prices at these types of airports.

trpmb6 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:25 pm

Located in northern Texas, Dallas is the fourth most populous metropolitan area in the United States. Known as the "Big D", it is home to one of the country's largest industrial centers. Its oil center is the most important but the city is also at the forefront in the telecommunications and banking sectors. In terms of tourism and discovery, Dallas is not just a TV series. It is also the real home of cowboys with ranches and rodeos all over the city. The Big D also attracts visitors with its cultural attractions, including many museums - including the famous 6th Floor Museum in honor of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - galleries and districts dedicated to art as well as parks scattered between the skyscrapers.

This was definitely written by someone who doesn't live in Dallas!

Keith2004 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:33 pm

mfe777 wrote:
Up to 5 weekly flights starting March 31th for the entire 2019 summer season;
Operated by Airbus A330 equipped with the latest travel cabins and a capacity of 224 seats;
Air France’s 13th destination in the US.

Starting March 31th, 2019, Air France will fly from Paris-Charles de Gaulle to Dallas (United States). The thirteenth US destination* operated on departure from Paris, will be operated by an Airbus A330 with a capacity of 224 seats and equipped with the latest long-haul travel cabins, with 36 seats in the Business cabin, 21 seats in the Premium Economy cabin and 167 seats in the Economy cabin. Throughout the summer 2019 season, up to 5 weekly flights will connect the two cities.

Flight schedules (in local time):

AF150: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:10, arrives in Dallas at 13:50;
AF159: leaves Dallas at 15:45, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:15.

From March 31th to June 30th and from September 4th to October 25th 2019: flights operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
From July 1st to September 1st: flights operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... estination

Seeing AF praise the 330 Business class cabin is quite hilarious, considering how outdated they are to the competition and even other AF planes

"In the Business cabin, Air France offers service excellence in the sky" :rotfl:

Congrats DFW though!

Brandon757 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:40 pm

I love these out of nowhere announcements. Was anyone even considering AF starting DFW anytime soon?

hiflyeras · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:44 pm

Wonder what AA's response will be? 2x daily next summer?

trpmb6 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:44 pm

Who does AF code share with?

Nm found my answer. AF code shares with Delta in US but that's not going to help many on getting to DFW..

Boair · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:46 pm

Keith2004 wrote:
mfe777 wrote:
Up to 5 weekly flights starting March 31th for the entire 2019 summer season;
Operated by Airbus A330 equipped with the latest travel cabins and a capacity of 224 seats;
Air France’s 13th destination in the US.

Starting March 31th, 2019, Air France will fly from Paris-Charles de Gaulle to Dallas (United States). The thirteenth US destination* operated on departure from Paris, will be operated by an Airbus A330 with a capacity of 224 seats and equipped with the latest long-haul travel cabins, with 36 seats in the Business cabin, 21 seats in the Premium Economy cabin and 167 seats in the Economy cabin. Throughout the summer 2019 season, up to 5 weekly flights will connect the two cities.

Flight schedules (in local time):

AF150: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:10, arrives in Dallas at 13:50;
AF159: leaves Dallas at 15:45, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:15.

From March 31th to June 30th and from September 4th to October 25th 2019: flights operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
From July 1st to September 1st: flights operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... estination

Seeing AF praise the 330 Business class cabin is quite hilarious, considering how outdated they are to the competition and even other AF planes

"In the Business cabin, Air France offers service excellence in the sky"

Congrats DFW though!

They will feature the new Business class that Air France will start to install on all their A330 at the end of the year.

Keith2004 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:51 pm

Boair wrote:
Keith2004 wrote:
mfe777 wrote:
Up to 5 weekly flights starting March 31th for the entire 2019 summer season;
Operated by Airbus A330 equipped with the latest travel cabins and a capacity of 224 seats;
Air France’s 13th destination in the US.

Starting March 31th, 2019, Air France will fly from Paris-Charles de Gaulle to Dallas (United States). The thirteenth US destination* operated on departure from Paris, will be operated by an Airbus A330 with a capacity of 224 seats and equipped with the latest long-haul travel cabins, with 36 seats in the Business cabin, 21 seats in the Premium Economy cabin and 167 seats in the Economy cabin. Throughout the summer 2019 season, up to 5 weekly flights will connect the two cities.

Flight schedules (in local time):

AF150: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:10, arrives in Dallas at 13:50;
AF159: leaves Dallas at 15:45, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:15.

From March 31th to June 30th and from September 4th to October 25th 2019: flights operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
From July 1st to September 1st: flights operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... estination

Seeing AF praise the 330 Business class cabin is quite hilarious, considering how outdated they are to the competition and even other AF planes

"In the Business cabin, Air France offers service excellence in the sky"

Congrats DFW though!

They will feature the new Business class that Air France will start to install on all their A330 at the end of the year.

Well that is good...though I believe this product will still be behind AAs J class and AFs own 777s J class.

910A · Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:53 pm

In cheap seats, the AF 332 experience will be better than anything that AA's offers.

fraspotter · Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:00 pm

mfe777 wrote:
AF150: leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 10:10, arrives in Dallas at 13:50;
AF159: leaves Dallas at 15:45, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8:15.

From March 31th to June 30th and from September 4th to October 25th 2019: flights operate on Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
From July 1st to September 1st: flights operate on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Source: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/news ... estination

Is it normal to have flight numbers for a turnaround flight be nonconsecutive? Figured if the flight number to DFW was 150 then the return to CDG would either be 149 or 151.

spinotter · Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:29 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Located in northern Texas, Dallas is the fourth most populous metropolitan area in the United States. Known as the "Big D", it is home to one of the country's largest industrial centers. Its oil center is the most important but the city is also at the forefront in the telecommunications and banking sectors. In terms of tourism and discovery, Dallas is not just a TV series. It is also the real home of cowboys with ranches and rodeos all over the city. The Big D also attracts visitors with its cultural attractions, including many museums - including the famous 6th Floor Museum in honor of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - galleries and districts dedicated to art as well as parks scattered between the skyscrapers.

This was definitely written by someone who doesn't live in Dallas!

How would you write it? I'm really curious, don't know much if anything about Dallas/DFW.

sand26391 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:33 pm

So happy to hear! The timing is perfect for BLR bound pax to DFW, though I'm a little skeptical of AF A330s.. flew last year on AF191 (A330) and it was terrible. I hope the planned A330 will be better than what I expect. Looking forward to AF at DFW!
Congrats DFW & AF :-)

dfdubflyer · Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:38 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Who does AF code share with?

Nm found my answer. AF code shares with Delta in US but that's not going to help many on getting to DFW..

Connecting service onto Delta's flight from DFW-AUS which syncs up with their focus city there

Kidding aside - as a DFW resident who is moving to London this month I'm thrilled to have more TATL competition to/from DFW

PW100 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:43 pm

avi8 wrote:
CDG is a massive hub. There are plenty of flights that arrive before the DFW flight departs.

AMS is an even bigger hub . . . ;-)

spinotter · Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:44 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Who does AF code share with?

Nm found my answer. AF code shares with Delta in US but that's not going to help many on getting to DFW..

Delta had a hub at DFW until 2004. Sometimes I see comments about the number of Delta frequent flyers living in the Metroplex. CDG is a big connecting hub. Why shouldn't SkyTeam have some of the DFW-EU traffic, in summer at first?

An interesting past thread on A.net answering the question: does DL regret closing down its DFW hub? https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=592515

alfa164 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:29 pm

Give credit to Planes4you for tipping us off about this yesterday:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1403741

mhkansan · Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:45 pm

I'm happy for DFW to get new service, but that is an annoyingly early time for CDG-DFW. The AA flight already departs early enough! I wish there were a few more later departures from Europe to the USA.

txjim · Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:45 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Located in northern Texas, Dallas is the fourth most populous metropolitan area in the United States. Known as the "Big D", it is home to one of the country's largest industrial centers. Its oil center is the most important but the city is also at the forefront in the telecommunications and banking sectors. In terms of tourism and discovery, Dallas is not just a TV series. It is also the real home of cowboys with ranches and rodeos all over the city. The Big D also attracts visitors with its cultural attractions, including many museums - including the famous 6th Floor Museum in honor of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - galleries and districts dedicated to art as well as parks scattered between the skyscrapers.

This was definitely written by someone who doesn't live in Dallas!

Wow, no kidding!

I'd elaborate but it's time to round up the doggies for the rodeo.

GSP psgr · Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:46 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Wonder what AA's response will be? 2x daily next summer?

2x DFW-CDG and start LAX-CDG

SCQ83 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:53 pm

txjim wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Located in northern Texas, Dallas is the fourth most populous metropolitan area in the United States. Known as the "Big D", it is home to one of the country's largest industrial centers. Its oil center is the most important but the city is also at the forefront in the telecommunications and banking sectors. In terms of tourism and discovery, Dallas is not just a TV series. It is also the real home of cowboys with ranches and rodeos all over the city. The Big D also attracts visitors with its cultural attractions, including many museums - including the famous 6th Floor Museum in honor of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - galleries and districts dedicated to art as well as parks scattered between the skyscrapers.

This was definitely written by someone who doesn't live in Dallas!

Wow, no kidding!

I'd elaborate but it's time to round up the doggies for the rodeo.

Are you driving or riding your horse from your ranch in Main St?

Planes4you · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:02 pm

alfa164 wrote:
Give credit to Planes4you for tipping us off about this yesterday:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1403741

Thank you

LY777 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:04 pm

AF A332s have an antiquated cabin. Although I am not a fan of AA, I will prefer an AA 772 over an AF A332

gsg013 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:07 pm

Does this mean the new reverse herringbone J seats are getting installed on the AF A330's? They mention 36 J seats but the current J setup is 40 seats with the terrible non lie flat J seats that you have to hop over your seatmate if you are on the isle. To me this means the A330 fleet will get essentially the same seats as the J seats on 787 and 777-300ER with the BEST product.

B747forever · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:15 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
Wonder what AA's response will be? 2x daily next summer?

2x DFW-CDG and start LAX-CDG

I don't think that AA will respond in any meaningful way, especially not with something like LAX-CDG. They have had their LAX hub for years and have not started LAX-CDG. I doubt this new AF service will be the tipping point.

Planes4you · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
Wonder what AA's response will be? 2x daily next summer?

2x DFW-CDG and start LAX-CDG

There’s a reason why there wasn’t a 2nd flight for DFW-CDG because AA had dominated that route out of dfw.It wouldn’t make sense for them to add a 3rd flight

Planes4you · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:16 pm

GSP psgr wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
Wonder what AA's response will be? 2x daily next summer?

2x DFW-CDG and start LAX-CDG

There’s a reason why there wasn’t a 2nd flight for DFW-CDG because AA had dominated that route out of dfw.It wouldn’t make sense for them to add a 3rd flight

aviationjunky · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:20 pm

Do we expect more US expansion? I know there was another thread on here a few months (maybe a year?) about possible US expansion into DFW, as well as PHX, LAS, SFO, DEN, and SAN.

Nola · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:32 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Who does AF code share with?

Nm found my answer. AF code shares with Delta in US but that's not going to help many on getting to DFW..

There are still a lot of DL flyers from when DFW was a DL hub. Some of them will probably migrate to this flight for European trips, especially if the planes have new cabins. The AF food is also generally pretty good, which cannot be said of AA or BA.

This flight may take some traffic from the IAH-CDG flight, though. For example, I'm a skyteam loyalist and from MSY. I've started taking UA to IAH and then getting on AF or KLM instead of going through JFK and a longer layover or ATL and a higher price.

sassiciai · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:39 pm

All my earlier posts in this thread have been censored, and I have receive a "board warning", whatever that is

I cannot get my head around the fact that a.net will not accept the question about a flight from a hub to a spoke, or from a spoke to a hub, and the operational differences these two flight have, The differences are massive

To pretend that an Air France flight Dallas - CDG starts in Dallas is ridiculous - everyone knows it is a CDG - Dallas return flight. Why my posts are deleted (and those that quoted mine) is beyond me, and why I receive a "board warning" either

Maybe this is my last post here on a.net (or maybe for a while). Bye!

DFW17L · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:39 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Located in northern Texas, Dallas is the fourth most populous metropolitan area in the United States. Known as the "Big D", it is home to one of the country's largest industrial centers. Its oil center is the most important but the city is also at the forefront in the telecommunications and banking sectors. In terms of tourism and discovery, Dallas is not just a TV series. It is also the real home of cowboys with ranches and rodeos all over the city. The Big D also attracts visitors with its cultural attractions, including many museums - including the famous 6th Floor Museum in honor of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - galleries and districts dedicated to art as well as parks scattered between the skyscrapers.

This was definitely written by someone who doesn't live in Dallas!

Wow. I'm stunned. I'm surprised they didn't say tumbleweeds roll down the streets in clouds of dust.

klakzky123 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:43 pm

LY777 wrote:
AF A332s have an antiquated cabin. Although I am not a fan of AA, I will prefer an AA 772 over an AF A332

Arent the A332s getting upgraded cabins? They should have the new J product and updated Economy and PE products. It should be reasonably competitive with AA's flight.

dfwjim1 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pm

Will Skyteam customers be able to connect from this flight to Delta flights going from DFW to SLC/LAX?

jasoncrh · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:08 pm

They could, but wouldnt most people just fly nonstop from CDG to SLC and LAX on the nonstop sky team flights that operate in those markets?

dfwjim1 wrote:
Will Skyteam customers be able to connect from this flight to Delta flights going from DFW to SLC/LAX?

DFW17L · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:12 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
They could, but wouldnt most people just fly nonstop from CDG to SLC and LAX on the nonstop sky team flights that operate in those markets?

dfwjim1 wrote:
Will Skyteam customers be able to connect from this flight to Delta flights going from DFW to SLC/LAX?

Maybe they want to get a decadent American hamburger at Whataburger inTerminal E.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz0IT4Uk2xQ

Planes4you · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:18 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
Do we expect more US expansion? I know there was another thread on here a few months (maybe a year?) about possible US expansion into DFW, as well as PHX, LAS, SFO, DEN, and SAN.

1st of all they already fly to SFO.2nd of all they won’t go anywhere near PHX.

SNN707 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:19 pm

Nola wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Who does AF code share with?

Nm found my answer. AF code shares with Delta in US but that's not going to help many on getting to DFW..

There are still a lot of DL flyers from when DFW was a DL hub. Some of them will probably migrate to this flight for European trips, especially if the planes have new cabins. The AF food is also generally pretty good, which cannot be said of AA or BA.

This flight may take some traffic from the IAH-CDG flight, though. For example, I'm a skyteam loyalist and from MSY. I've started taking UA to IAH and then getting on AF or KLM instead of going through JFK and a longer layover or ATL and a higher price.

My thought exactly. Lots of DL status members still in DFW. Nice flight to use those Skypesos on in the summer for a family trip to Paris.

As far as MSY is concerned, I'm wondering how much business BA (and to a minor extent DE) has siphoned off from DLs ATL/JFK/DTW transatlantic stranglehold they had from MSY - and how much yield. I think a clear answer to that would be DL running a nonstop to either CDG or AMS from MSY. If BA were to go daily from MSY, we could see a response from DL to get some of that revenue back. But DL is so profitable, they may just cocede those seats to BA to print even more money elsewhere....

727200 · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:23 pm

I am shocked that AF doesn't fly this route and hasn't since 9/11; a long time ago. I never checked for it just assuming they had been flying all along.

This was a no-brainer, someone in marketing at AF needs to go.

ubeema · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:26 pm

727200 wrote:
I am shocked that AF doesn't fly this route and hasn't since 9/11; a long time ago. I never checked for it just assuming they had been flying all along.

This was a no-brainer, someone in marketing at AF needs to go.

They did via KLM seasonally couple years ago. Fell through when ME3 joined the party.

jasoncrh · Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:27 pm

Marketing does not make decisions regarding destination an airline serves. Try network planning.

727200 wrote:
I am shocked that AF doesn't fly this route and hasn't since 9/11; a long time ago. I never checked for it just assuming they had been flying all along.

This was a no-brainer, someone in marketing at AF needs to go.

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