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Updated: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet.

Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:22 pm

According to a report on Mexican media Interjet will announce the sale of its SSJ100 in order to "optimize slot usage".

Interjet operates 20 SSJ100 and has 2 more stored at MEX since 2015 and 2017. They also have 6 more on order.

I'm not completely sure, but it appears Interjet operates its SSJ100 chiefly from MEX, CUN and MTY to secondary Mexican cities and a few US destinations.

Until the report is confirmed it should be wise to regard it as a rumor.
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:30 pm

I can't imagine the market for used SSJ100's is super hot :)
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:46 pm

yowza wrote:
I can't imagine the market for used SSJ100's is super hot :)

Maybe someone needs them for parts...
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:55 pm

It seems to me that Interjet just doesn´t seem to know what to do anymore with their Superjet fleet. Sometimes they claim they love them, sometimes they hate them to the point that they want to get rid of them. I would not be suprised if this report turns out to be true. Regards from MEX.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:03 pm

sell them via a broker to Iran.
or even a China airline based out of one of the major cities.
none are particularly near support when things go wrong but it is an option.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:11 pm

Sell to the Cubans they would love them
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:17 pm

Milenio is a legitimate source, but this article is in the opinion section of the newspaper. I'm not sure if this is news, or just the author's opinion on what Interjet should do.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:24 pm

Interjet needs to figure out what it wants to be- a ULCC or a proper full service carrier. Right now it is trying to be both and it’s not working as their financial results show. A 93 seat jet has no place in their fleet, and as comfortable as the A320s/A321 are Interjet really needs to densify them. Volaris is a ULCC sticking 24 more seats in their A320s (and almost 40 more in their A321neos). Aeromexico is a full service carrier putting 16 more seats in their (admittedly slightly larger) 738 Maxes. Interjet can’t compete with Volaris when it comes to CASM, and Aeromexico offers an international and intercontinental network Interjet can’t match while still getting more butts in the plane. Offering identical great seat pitch throughout the plane is great for customers, but means Interjet can’t upsell and get more revenue for seats with more room.

The Mexican market is not large enough to a support a JetBlue like carrier (who, it should be noted, fits more seats in their non mint A321s and is moving to 12 more seats in their A320s).
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:13 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
According to a report on Mexican media Interjet will announce the sale of its SSJ100 in order to "optimize slot usage".
Interjet operates 20 SSJ100 and has 2 more stored at MEX since 2015 and 2017. They also have 6 more on order.
I'm not completely sure, but it appears Interjet operates its SSJ100 chiefly from MEX, CUN and MTY to secondary Mexican cities and a few US destinations.
Until the report is confirmed it should be wise to regard it as a rumor.


Correct. Interjet uses the SSJ100s on thin routes. Like Monterrey to San Antonio. Up until the last few issues of the Inflight Mag, they indicated SSJ routes. The last few issue this feature has not appeared. Most of the routes fly from MEX to southern Mexican destinations.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:26 pm

Its a shame, the SSJ100 is a fine aircraft, it just doesnt have the support/maintenance and reliability. Interjet have probably lost quite a bit of money on this gamble with the SSJs
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:27 pm

Remembering this old article, the move would make sense to me:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ed-airline
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:46 pm

acos24 wrote:
Milenio is a legitimate source, but this article is in the opinion section of the newspaper. I'm not sure if this is news, or just the author's opinion on what Interjet should do.


It's an opinion column but it's written as something that Interjet is going to do, not as something it should do:

"Interjet, de Miguel Alemán Magnani, se reestructura y venderá su flota de aviones pequeños con 93 asientos para dar prioridad al uso del Airbus y ser más competitivo en el uso de los slots ."

"Interjet, led by Miguel Alemán Magnani" is going to restructure and sell its small aircraft fleet with 93 seat to prioritize Airbus aircraft and become more competitive in the usage of its slots.
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:46 pm

Don't know what they will sell them for, but it seems I remember they got them for almost nothing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:47 pm

An article based on rumors...That's what I call good journalism!
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:52 pm

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Interjet needs to figure out what it wants to be- a ULCC or a proper full service carrier. Right now it is trying to be both and it’s not working as their financial results show. A 93 seat jet has no place in their fleet, and as comfortable as the A320s/A321 are Interjet really needs to densify them. Volaris is a ULCC sticking 24 more seats in their A320s (and almost 40 more in their A321neos). Aeromexico is a full service carrier putting 16 more seats in their (admittedly slightly larger) 738 Maxes. Interjet can’t compete with Volaris when it comes to CASM, and Aeromexico offers an international and intercontinental network Interjet can’t match while still getting more butts in the plane. Offering identical great seat pitch throughout the plane is great for customers, but means Interjet can’t upsell and get more revenue for seats with more room.

The Mexican market is not large enough to a support a JetBlue like carrier (who, it should be noted, fits more seats in their non mint A321s and is moving to 12 more seats in their A320s).

This...

Internet flailed. But who are they selling Su-100s too? The airline needs to find it's niche. JetBlue's profits are low as the base fare must be internet search low and sell upgrades! They are finally realizing the density is too low for what people pay.

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Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:00 pm

Just another chapter of the war against the humble SSJ...I wonder what is so hateful about this plane.
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:30 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
in order to "optimize slot usage"


===Corporate Speak Translator online===

text to be translated: optimize slot usage

translation: ditch these garbage planes
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:44 pm

anxo75 wrote:
Just another chapter of the war against the humble SSJ...I wonder what is so hateful about this plane.


To be honest, I fail to see any hate towards the airplane, especially not from the article. The plane doesn't seem to be working for Interjet, as has been reported before. Why is it that everything these days have to have an agenda?
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:00 pm

Polot wrote:
Interjet needs to figure out what it wants to be- a ULCC or a proper full service carrier. Right now it is trying to be both and it’s not working as their financial results show. A 93 seat jet has no place in their fleet, and as comfortable as the A320s/A321 are Interjet really needs to densify them. Volaris is a ULCC sticking 24 more seats in their A320s (and almost 40 more in their A321neos). Aeromexico is a full service carrier putting 16 more seats in their (admittedly slightly larger) 738 Maxes. Interjet can’t compete with Volaris when it comes to CASM, and Aeromexico offers an international and intercontinental network Interjet can’t match while still getting more butts in the plane. Offering identical great seat pitch throughout the plane is great for customers, but means Interjet can’t upsell and get more revenue for seats with more room.

The Mexican market is not large enough to a support a JetBlue like carrier (who, it should be noted, fits more seats in their non mint A321s and is moving to 12 more seats in their A320s).


We have a name for an airline that's in between an LCC and a full-service. It's called a hybrid. Interjet is doing something unique and great and that's where they get all their customers from. Yes they'd make more money if they fit 12-18 more seats (2-3 rows) in their planes and still preserve a relatively comfortable 32 inches of legroom but their current customer base will NOT like it. Volaris is a different type of airline, so is AM. And btw the MAX 8 and the A320/A320neo have the same capacity. Only difference is the MAX 8 is a tad longer in the front and back, but they still can carry the exact same amount of people in the base variants with the same legroom so the fact that Aeromexico fits more seats in the MAX 8 is because their economy is pitched at 31'' and no 34. I will agree tho that the SSJ can't be all that profitable for the business Interjet is doing
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:02 pm

I think this is exactly the same guy who has been writing the SSJs area leaving for quite a while, I would call it fake news unless there is something coming from Interjet, and not from some bozo writing an opinion piece.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:26 pm

OA940 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Interjet needs to figure out what it wants to be- a ULCC or a proper full service carrier. Right now it is trying to be both and it’s not working as their financial results show. A 93 seat jet has no place in their fleet, and as comfortable as the A320s/A321 are Interjet really needs to densify them. Volaris is a ULCC sticking 24 more seats in their A320s (and almost 40 more in their A321neos). Aeromexico is a full service carrier putting 16 more seats in their (admittedly slightly larger) 738 Maxes. Interjet can’t compete with Volaris when it comes to CASM, and Aeromexico offers an international and intercontinental network Interjet can’t match while still getting more butts in the plane. Offering identical great seat pitch throughout the plane is great for customers, but means Interjet can’t upsell and get more revenue for seats with more room.

The Mexican market is not large enough to a support a JetBlue like carrier (who, it should be noted, fits more seats in their non mint A321s and is moving to 12 more seats in their A320s).


We have a name for an airline that's in between an LCC and a full-service. It's called a hybrid. Interjet is doing something unique and great and that's where they get all their customers from. Yes they'd make more money if they fit 12-18 more seats (2-3 rows) in their planes and still preserve a relatively comfortable 32 inches of legroom but their current customer base will NOT like it. Volaris is a different type of airline, so is AM. And btw the MAX 8 and the A320/A320neo have the same capacity. Only difference is the MAX 8 is a tad longer in the front and back, but they still can carry the exact same amount of people in the base variants with the same legroom so the fact that Aeromexico fits more seats in the MAX 8 is because their economy is pitched at 31'' and no 34. I will agree tho that the SSJ can't be all that profitable for the business Interjet is doing

Being a hybrid is great if you are profitable. Interjet is not. It is a tricky line to follow and does not work in all markets. Many airlines have tried and failed at it (see Frontier). Interjet is not able to sell their tickets high enough to cover the inherent inefficiencies of their configurations. Who cares is Interjet pisses off their current customer base by reducing pitch. Their current customer base is not spending enough money for their airline to be profitable. Change is needed.

Also as an unrelated aside the 738 cabin is in fact larger than the A320’s. That is why, for example, U2 puts 186 seats on their A320 with 29” pitch while FR has 189 seats in their 738s with 30+” pitch, and how Boeing is able to squeeze in almost 200 seats in the high capacity Max 8 (formerly dubbed Max200). Also why you have members here like Keesje always advocating for a A320.5. You can also look at the configurations of airlines that operate both (eg UA or AA).
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:03 am

Running out of cash?

As of June 30th 2018, Interjet is in RED:

https://static.interjet.com/assets/html ... as-VF2.pdf

Only 1st 3 months of the year in English:

https://static.interjet.com/assets/html ... Report.pdf

As we speak, early June, half fleet has been grounded...

Active (10):

XA-IJR
XA-JLG
XA-NSG
XA-ABM
XA-OAA
XA-LLV
XA-VAS
XA-DAS
XA-MRM
XA-VER

Grounded (11):

XA-JLV
XA-JLP
XA-LME
XA-ALJ
XA-BMO
XA-OUI
XA-GCD
XA-BVM
XA-PPY
XA-NGO
XA-JBA

Rumors that all fleet will be grounded this month.

Interjet MUST act fast. MUST forget it "super space" and urgently fit more seats and boost capacity to 180 on the A320s and 200 on the A321s.

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Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:39 pm

4O should never have acquired the SSJ, because the support system for it is so poor. The Embraer 190 or 190-E2 may be more expensive, but it would have a better support network. I would believe that Mexico can support a 100-seat plane on select routes. But economy-plus is a MUST for 4O, going forward, reducing core Y to 32". Even AM is 31" in Y except on its B788s, but those 788s are generally for Asia. Also, I would support unbundling fares for those only carrying luggage on board as well as a BOB programme.

As for more revenue, maybe 4O should drop MEX-JFK to 3x daily and lease the other slot out (it's currently 4x daily)...it is a bloodbath on the JFK-MEX route with AM, Y4, and VB all slated to arrive in JFK around the same time - AM on the B789 on weekdays; everyone on narrow-bodies on weekends). An airline like HU or MF could be interested in the slots on certain days, especially if HU wants better feed into and from B6 - the late morning arrival slot seems best to monetize, but that should be a bidding war. The remaining frequencies could then be on the A321 (when enough are in) to maintain 600 seats per day, but cut costs by one fewer emplanement. (JFK is slot-limited to 1,205 scheduled daily movements between 6 AM and 10 PM.)
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:03 pm

ghost77 wrote:
Running out of cash?

As of June 30th 2018, Interjet is in RED:

https://static.interjet.com/assets/html ... as-VF2.pdf

Only 1st 3 months of the year in English:

https://static.interjet.com/assets/html ... Report.pdf

As we speak, early June, half fleet has been grounded...

Active (10):

XA-IJR
XA-JLG
XA-NSG
XA-ABM
XA-OAA
XA-LLV
XA-VAS
XA-DAS
XA-MRM
XA-VER

Grounded (11):

XA-JLV
XA-JLP
XA-LME
XA-ALJ
XA-BMO
XA-OUI
XA-GCD
XA-BVM
XA-PPY
XA-NGO
XA-JBA

Rumors that all fleet will be grounded this month.

Interjet MUST act fast. MUST forget it "super space" and urgently fit more seats and boost capacity to 180 on the A320s and 200 on the A321s.

g77

That many grounded is a major issue. It does not bode well...
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:18 pm

OA940 wrote:
We have a name for an airline that's in between an LCC and a full-service. It's called a hybrid. Interjet is doing something unique and great and that's where they get all their customers from.


That also is what Air Berlin thought it would be after deciding to go from leisure to network carrier. Didn't go that well.

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Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:12 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
We have a name for an airline that's in between an LCC and a full-service. It's called a hybrid. Interjet is doing something unique and great and that's where they get all their customers from.


That also is what Air Berlin thought it would be after deciding to go from leisure to network carrier. Didn't go that well.

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Judging from JetBlue''s low profits, the hybrid concept isn't working. :( One needs a network for premium traffic.

Both must cram in the seats. :(
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:30 pm

Hybrid is a jack of all trades master of none technique. Great in limited competition market namely one sided competition ie no premium carrier or no ULCC. When there is heavy competition it falls apart. Hybrids don’t have the CASM to compete with ULCCs on price for price sensitive travelers, and don’t have the network and perks to capture as much traffic as premium carriers (even if their economy product is better). Interjet doesn’t have the luxury of limited competition- Volaris and Aeromexico are both strong competent competitors covering both ends of the spectrum.

JetBlue was initially successful because the US legacies were highly bloated in the late 90s/early 00s, and NYC had little LCC competition in the main preferred airports. But as the US legacies slimmed down and became more efficient and as LCC competition grew (both in NYC and other areas B6 was expanding in like FLL) even JetBlue has dropped their equality for all configuration that they started with and have slashed (or will slash, in the case of the A320s) legroom for the bulk of the seats while still providing Y+ seats for additional charge. Frontier tried to be a hybrid but failed, they could never gain traction outside of their home DEN market (despite several efforts) and ultimately had to turn into a ULCC for survival, which has been a huge success. Air Berlin puttered along losing money or barely breaking even for years as a hybrid carrier before ultimately having to shut down.

There is a market for small ~100 seat jets for smaller Mexican markets. That shouldn’t be flown by a hybrid carrier though (even B6’s foray into the 100 seat market has been a disappointment versus initial expectations, and note which A220 variant they selected for the E190 replacement). Leave that to Aeromexico Connect.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:21 pm

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Hybrid is a jack of all trades master of none technique. Great in limited competition market namely one sided competition ie no premium carrier or no ULCC. When there is heavy competition it falls apart. Hybrids don’t have the CASM to compete with ULCCs on price for price sensitive travelers, and don’t have the network and perks to capture as much traffic as premium carriers (even if their economy product is better).


That's a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one. I think the people at Aer Lingus would beg to differ. They are a self styled hybrid carrier, an airline that faces competition from Ryanair on almost all routes in Europe and operates an ever growing full service transatlantic operation with a very competitive business class extremely successfully. However, that is not the point of this thread, but had to point it out :)
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Polot wrote:
Hybrid is a jack of all trades master of none technique. Great in limited competition market namely one sided competition ie no premium carrier or no ULCC. When there is heavy competition it falls apart. Hybrids don’t have the CASM to compete with ULCCs on price for price sensitive travelers, and don’t have the network and perks to capture as much traffic as premium carriers (even if their economy product is better).


That's a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one. I think the people at Aer Lingus would beg to differ. They are a self styled hybrid carrier, an airline that faces competition from Ryanair on almost all routes in Europe and operates an ever growing full service transatlantic operation with a very competitive business class extremely successfully. However, that is not the point of this thread, but had to point it out :)

1) Aer Lingus is a hybrid airline in scope, not in service. They have LCC service for short haul and premium service for long haul. But they fully commit to the required service for each role. Their A320s/A321 seat ~20 more than Interjet’s and close to the LCCs with no free snacks and drinks and their A330s are properly configured for premium service (lie flat J, standard international Y seat/service).

Interjet is a hybrid in service, not scope. Their product is the same for both short haul and long haul (by Interjet standards). But they go for a hybrid service. They have no J/Y+, still charge for things like checked luggage, but offer free snacks/drinks/alcohol and more legroom.

2) Ireland is a market where the main local competition to EI is one-sided (ULCC). EI is the traditional legacy/premium carrier. EI is not a relatively new entrant trying to split the difference between FR and a (profitable) legacy full service Air Ireland for example.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:15 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Polot wrote:
Hybrid is a jack of all trades master of none technique. Great in limited competition market namely one sided competition ie no premium carrier or no ULCC. When there is heavy competition it falls apart. Hybrids don’t have the CASM to compete with ULCCs on price for price sensitive travelers, and don’t have the network and perks to capture as much traffic as premium carriers (even if their economy product is better).


That's a sweeping generalisation if I ever saw one. I think the people at Aer Lingus would beg to differ. They are a self styled hybrid carrier, an airline that faces competition from Ryanair on almost all routes in Europe and operates an ever growing full service transatlantic operation with a very competitive business class extremely successfully. However, that is not the point of this thread, but had to point it out :)



Agree with ClassicLover on this. His viewpoint is spot on.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:57 pm

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Just another chapter of the war against the humble SSJ...I wonder what is so hateful about this plane.


Dispatch reliability, maintenance costs, part availability, AOG support, maintenance document quality, reliability improvement efforts, and engineering support for repairs are very important for the life of the airplane. Problems in these areas are rarely discussed in public forums.

I don’t know what issues exist, but my assumption is that the technical support from Sukhoi is no where near the quality that Airbus provides. It is fairly common for low use airplanes to have a lack of spare parts and airlines may wait weeks or months for parts needed for repairs. The maintenance documents may also be low quality. I can’t imagine the Superjet having a particularly robust structural repair manual and I wonder if Sukhoi even provides 24/7 support for AOGs. If half the planes are grounded, I question whether Sukhoi is able to provide spare parts and structural repairs on a timely basis.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:44 pm

Well, IAJ confirmed today that the SSJ is staying:

http://enelaire.mx/interjet-modifica...os-por-ssj100/


This shows the level of pseudo-journalism that is carried on in many of the Latin American countries nowadays, as I said before this was just another fake news and a smear campaign against the SSJ, funny this just happened when an IAJ competitor is in hot water for letting any John Doe fly one of their planes and then crashing it.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:13 pm

It wouldn't surprise me if Interjet wants to dump their SSJs. They have poor support from Sukhoi when issues come up and they seem to come up often. Interjet is not the only carrier who is unhappy with the lack of parts availability and support that the SSJ100 program suffers from. Hopefully Interjet's problems with the SSJ100 will be a lesson to other carriers that the cheapest aircraft to initially buy isn't always the cheapest aircraft to operate long term.
 
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:43 pm

Sure a smear campaign... but what you curiously chose to left out is that Interjet just implied that the threat of selling their SSJ was negotiation tactic to obtain better terms from Sukhoi:

[Interjet informó] que se encuentran sosteniendo negociaciones con el fabricante, las cuales han permitido a Interjet mejorar las condiciones de la flota de Superjet 100. La aerolínea recordó que desde la adquisición de los SSJ100, han mantenido coordinación y comunicación con el fabricante y seguirán operandolo bajo nuevas y mejores condiciones contractuales con el fabricante a favor de los clientes; los detalles de esa situación serán informados más adelante.


Translation:

[Interjet said] that they are in negotiations with the manufacturer, which have allowed Interjet to improve the conditions of the Superjet 100 fleet. The airline pointed out that since the acquisition of the SSJ100 they have maintained coordination and communication with the manufacturer and will continue to operate the aircraft under new and better contractual conditions with the manufacturer in favor of the clients; the details of of which will be informed later.


Some may remember that Sukhoi owns Interjet $40M USD as compensation for the reliability of their SSJ fleet. Then we get another rumor of Interjet wanting to sell their SSJ fleet and finally we get confirmation that Interjet negotiated better terms with Sukhoi.

At the moment only 2 of 22 SSJ operated by Interjet are in the air, and it's currently one of the busiest hours for air travel in Mexico. Will that number improve from now or will Sukhoi keep paying Interjet to not getting rid of their SSJ fleet?
 
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:14 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Well, IAJ confirmed today that the SSJ is staying:

http://enelaire.mx/interjet-modifica...os-por-ssj100/


This shows the level of pseudo-journalism that is carried on in many of the Latin American countries nowadays, as I said before this was just another fake news and a smear campaign against the SSJ, funny this just happened when an IAJ competitor is in hot water for letting any John Doe fly one of their planes and then crashing it.


With 11 out of 21 grounded... Can't think of a better smear campaign than that data point. And to have a Russia-related story/individual speak of pseudo-journalism it is just laughable. Look around the RF and what passes for journalism there and then talk....
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:36 am

I wouldn't be so quick to say that they are staying...https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... et-451843/
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:05 am

EBT wrote:
I wouldn't be so quick to say that they are staying...https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... et-451843/


..or leaving for that matter. What I mean is that there was never an official statement from IAJ stating they were leaving the fleet, this was an "opinion" piece from some pseudo-journal. And no, not only Russia suffers from pseudo-journalism, every corporate media is biased by its own nature, being a business first and foremost, so let's not get holier than thou in this matter.

An amicable negotiation fits better with a re-negotiation of the lease terms, penalties and residual value guarantees, that's what they have been looking for quite a while, and its a perfectly valid claim from IAJs side due to what they have been suffering from both SJI and Powerjet, let's wait and see where this will end, but it seems they are keeping them in the fleet.

Also, RIA Novosti confirms what the Mexican website enelaire.mx said, they are keeping them and even claiming the SSJ has played a key role in their operations:

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"This is not true, the SSJ100 was an integral part of Interjet's success, we will continue to work with this aircraft," the Mexican company told RIA Novosti. "We are completing friendly negotiations," Interjet quotes the words of its CEO. The FlightGlobal portal's message was named inaccurate and misleading.

According to the company, since the first SSJ100 was bought, Interjet has always been in close contact with the aircraft manufacturer. "We are holding important negotiations with the manufacturer, which will allow Interjet to improve the operating conditions of its fleet SSJ100," the company said.



РИА Новости https://ria.ru/economy/20180913/1528442523.html
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:20 am

To no avail...SSJ haters will go on without rest.
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:50 am

anxo75 wrote:
To no avail...SSJ haters will go on without rest.


Nobody is "smearing" the SSJ, it's doing that all by itself aided and abetted by Sukhoi's lack of support.
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:35 am

scbriml wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
To no avail...SSJ haters will go on without rest.


Nobody is "smearing" the SSJ, it's doing that all by itself aided and abetted by Sukhoi's lack of support.

Don't you think the flightglobal article is part of a smearing campaign? If I've ever seen one...
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:30 pm

anxo75 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
To no avail...SSJ haters will go on without rest.


Nobody is "smearing" the SSJ, it's doing that all by itself aided and abetted by Sukhoi's lack of support.

Don't you think the flightglobal article is part of a smearing campaign? If I've ever seen one...

When so much of the fleet is sitting idle due to poor support, there is going to be vocal speculation about retiring a type.

Sukhoi needs to provide the support Western airlines expect. For example, LH is flying NEOs but has publicly complained about a lack of spares for the Pratt engines.
What would LH say if they flew the SU100? I have to say Interjet is playing extremely nice.

Get the planes flying and the PR changes. 99% of the fleet being ready for dispatch, excluding scheduled maintenance, is the minimum expectation. Anything worse than that and an airline must look into options. Options that should include selling the SU100 fleet.

Sukhoi's support seems to be there to make Bombardier and Cessna look good. They need to look at Airbus, Boeing, and Gulfstream and provide better support.

Once the MRJ and E2-175 are flying commercially, there market is going to be limited to within Russia or influenced territories.

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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:01 pm

Lets see some evidence instead of contractually obligated PR-speak:

Interjet operates 66 A320 and 22 SSJ100.

At the moment only 3 of their SSJ100 are flying, while at least 37 of their A320 are on the air (the number is likely larger but flightaware only allows visualizing 40 aircraft on free accounts).

That means that 14% of their SSJ100 and >56% of their A320 are making money.

If Interjet measures its success by the amount of money they get from Sukhoi then the SSJ100 is an excellent aircraft. Other airlines measure their success with ticket sales.
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:43 pm

anxo75 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
To no avail...SSJ haters will go on without rest.


Nobody is "smearing" the SSJ, it's doing that all by itself aided and abetted by Sukhoi's lack of support.

Don't you think the flightglobal article is part of a smearing campaign? If I've ever seen one...


In my opinion, flightglobal being part of a multinational smearing campaign of a Russian airplane is much less likely to be true than Interjet having major issues with the SSJ. I haven't seen isn't a single piece of data that supports the smearing campaign. All data that I've seen supports the hypothesis that the SSJ hasn't been working for Interjet. Would you be able to share anything that would support your hypothesis?
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:10 pm

rrlopes wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
scbriml wrote:

Nobody is "smearing" the SSJ, it's doing that all by itself aided and abetted by Sukhoi's lack of support.

Don't you think the flightglobal article is part of a smearing campaign? If I've ever seen one...


In my opinion, flightglobal being part of a multinational smearing campaign of a Russian airplane is much less likely to be true than Interjet having major issues with the SSJ. I haven't seen isn't a single piece of data that supports the smearing campaign. All data that I've seen supports the hypothesis that the SSJ hasn't been working for Interjet. Would you be able to share anything that would support your hypothesis?


Indeed, by asking "what does Flightglobal get out of participating in an international smear campaign" doesn't come up with a good answer, Occam's razor will suggest it is just reporting on the data it is provided, which just so happens to be 1) not good for Su and 2) not out of character from what we've seen for manufacturer support in the past from thee guys. Chanting "fake news" and then picking and choosing the sources doesn't lend itself to credibility on the issue. Especially when the problems have been echoed by several other operators in Europe and Russia.
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Re: Report: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet

Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:26 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
At the moment only 2 of 22 SSJ operated by Interjet are in the air, and it's currently one of the busiest hours for air travel in Mexico. Will that number improve from now or will Sukhoi keep paying Interjet to not getting rid of their SSJ fleet?


Thank you for your information. The reality speaks the truth without 'campaigns'. If it is such a lovely aircraft, I am sure Interjet would fly the 21 jet every day for 8-12 hours following the normal a/c utilization. Or maybe the Russian jet is so wonderful that Interjet decides the best way is to preserve them by not flying them. I am sure many would agree with Interjet that the prestige SSJ belongs to the museum rather than being a dirty working horse like those awful outdated western capitalism made Airbus or Boeing.
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:04 pm

Spacepope wrote:
rrlopes wrote:
anxo75 wrote:
Don't you think the flightglobal article is part of a smearing campaign? If I've ever seen one...


In my opinion, flightglobal being part of a multinational smearing campaign of a Russian airplane is much less likely to be true than Interjet having major issues with the SSJ. I haven't seen isn't a single piece of data that supports the smearing campaign. All data that I've seen supports the hypothesis that the SSJ hasn't been working for Interjet. Would you be4 able to share anything that would support your hypothesis?


Indeed, by asking "what does Flightglobal get out of participating in an international smear campaign" doesn't come up with a good answer, Occam's razor will suggest it is just reporting on the data it is provided, which just so happens to be 1) not good for Su and 2) not out of character from what we've seen for manufacturer support in the past from thee guys. Chanting "fake news" and then picking and choosing the sources doesn't lend itself to credibility on the issue. Especially when the problems have been echoed by several other operators in Europe and Russia.

Flightglobal plainly lied...it's up to you to believe if it is an innocent lie.
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:26 pm

I keep asking why all this hate... People around here are not just saying "they have support problems, what a pity...". It is more like " how I wish they get rid of that shit.. "
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:04 pm

anxo75 wrote:
I keep asking why all this hate... People around here are not just saying "they have support problems, what a pity...". It is more like " how I wish they get rid of that shit.. "


I'm trying my best to see what you're seeing, but i haven't been able to. I, for one, have definitely not expressed any hate, and yet you have not addressed what I asked. I'll try again:

What makes you believe that there is a smear campaign going on against the SSJ?
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:27 pm

I find suspicious that an airplane produced in very small numbers attracts such a continuous criticism.
 
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Re: Rumor: Interjet to sell its SSJ100 to focus on its A320 fleet, rebutted.

Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:36 pm

I'm not implying there's a sort of conspiracy against the ssj...I just say that the opinions about the ssj are extremely biased mainly because it's a Russian aircraft...

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