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Trk1 wrote:Good for them---- time for workers to stand up!!!!
Boof02671 wrote:The IAM kept those folks getting a paycheck way longer than they would have gotten.
TransWorldOne wrote:I dont understand how a union, which is better for the workers, will spell doom and gloom for Delta but okay.
KUZAWU08 wrote:Someone needs to look at this from a safety standpoint. Having observed employer/ employee relations in aviation union and non-union environment, there are some key safeguards easily shattered in a non union environment.
Boof02671 wrote:The IAM kept those folks getting a paycheck way longer than they would have gotten.
RDUDDJI wrote:Boof02671 wrote:The IAM kept those folks getting a paycheck way longer than they would have gotten.
Quite the opposite actually. Hundreds of thousands of union jobs have been eliminated in the last few decades...
MSPNWA wrote:I think it's a matter of time before a vote is implemented. The union drive has gained momentum lately. Whether it would pass or not is still a question, but the way its going a union is looking more and more likely at some point.
Boof02671 wrote:It’s clearly evident some of you have no idea about the process.
N983AN wrote:Boof02671 wrote:It’s clearly evident some of you have no idea about the process.
It’s clearly evident you are delusional about the IAM and it’s track record at other carriers which isn’t good.
RDUDDJI wrote:KUZAWU08 wrote:Someone needs to look at this from a safety standpoint. Having observed employer/ employee relations in aviation union and non-union environment, there are some key safeguards easily shattered in a non union environment.
Absolutely false. Unions serve to protect the exact people who don't follow saftey regs. Who wins there? I can give you dozens of examples from my former years, but worst I recall was a guy who should have been fired at least twice...back on the job two days after a hearing he ran a bag cart into an airplane at high speed and hit it hard enough to put a hole through it. Another guy took out the water system in the whole terminal when he drove a truck into a water line. (I have pictures of this one). Unions used to care about safety, but now it's all about greed.
Boof02671 wrote:N983AN wrote:Boof02671 wrote:It’s clearly evident some of you have no idea about the process.
It’s clearly evident you are delusional about the IAM and it’s track record at other carriers which isn’t good.
If the IAM is so bad then why do they represent more airline employees than any other union?
And you can’t blame the loss of jobs due to bankruptcy on any union.
And airlines have been hiring, not laying off.
Boof02671 wrote:And AS was found liable in the SEA Arbitration and had to pay those former employees.
Insertnamehere wrote:I do not know about the internal politics at Delta, however, it seems to me that Delta management care much more about their frontline workers and they seem much happier than other carriers. If they unionize it could disrupt that semi-happy relation between the two working groups.
jumbojet wrote:Insertnamehere wrote:I do not know about the internal politics at Delta, however, it seems to me that Delta management care much more about their frontline workers and they seem much happier than other carriers. If they unionize it could disrupt that semi-happy relation between the two working groups.
BINGO BANGO. And then the gap between UA/AA and DL will narrow. Whereas DL is the dominant customer service oriented airline, leagues above its direct competition, that will shrink to the point that UA/AA/DL mine as well all wear the same uniform. A FA union at DL will completely obliterate the airline. 90 years of doing things without a union, nothing good can be realized with one. I pitty the day it happens.
Boof02671 wrote:So UAL and AS we’re using non-union vendors., the IAM secured those jobs and got them a CBA.
Boof02671 wrote:Because AA forced all TW unions to give up there LPPs or AA wouldn’t purchase TWA.
The TWU has specific seniority language in their CBA, so it went to arbitration.
http://www.twu555.org/wp-content/upload ... cision.pdf
The IAM had a seniority deal with the APFA and they reneged and it went to court.
The information is readily available, the IAM spent millions in trying to get the former TW employees their seniority.
So UAL and AS we’re using non-union vendors., the IAM secured those jobs and got them a CBA.
And AS was found liable in the SEA Arbitration and had to pay those former employees.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/a ... -handling/
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narratives
Funny the mechanics at LUS voted to keep the IAM at US in 2013.
The IBT tried in 2008 and failed.
And the TWU couldn’t get enough cards in 2008 and the ramp remained IAM.
I’m LUS Maintenance and I love the IAM.
So you are lying.
Trk1 wrote:Good for them---- time for workers to stand up!!!!
TWA772LR wrote:If the workers were smart, they would vote in anyone but IAM. My position at my company is represented by IAM and our contract is terrible. Even people I know that are or were under IAM, or know about IAM, hates them too or at least knows they suck. Teamsters or even TWU would be a much better union.
CobaltScar wrote:TWA772LR wrote:If the workers were smart, they would vote in anyone but IAM. My position at my company is represented by IAM and our contract is terrible. Even people I know that are or were under IAM, or know about IAM, hates them too or at least knows they suck. Teamsters or even TWU would be a much better union.
This is funny. It is always a last ditch strategy and plot to claim the union about to be voted in is the worse of the bunch, and we need to go with x,y,z union instead. The same thing happened at jetBlue a few months ago.
The people and local workers make up the union. If the union is sucking, its because the members are being lazy and not hands on enough.
Boof02671 wrote:See Delta can do this and the FAs could do nothing about it.
https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/new ... olicy.html
Boof02671 wrote:They can’t shove something down if they lose the arbitration
klm617 wrote:What's this I thought Delta employees were very content with their work environment.