OneJet is on its last leg

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:38 pm

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/regio ... 1808100180

A once sizable operation is currently down to a measly network of PIT-IND/BDL and BUF-ALB.

Among the grievances against OneJet, the airline has not paid passenger facility fees, a $54,000 security deposit, and has not paid other rates and charges to the PIT airport

OneJet is currently being sued by PIT for $763,000 for failing to launch or maintain 10 nonstop destinations specified in the $1 million incentive deal PIT made with J1. In addition to the $1 million J1 received, the airline received state and county loans to provide service as well.

To add on to this as well, according to the managing director of Ultimate the deal with J1 is gone. Apparently the only deal between OneJet and Ultimate is for Ultimate to fly a couple of routes under a charter contract agreement that will be dead if OneJet is more than 48 hours late on paying their monthly bill.

These are the individuals now gone from OneJet's Board of Directors

Former DELTA VP and founder of Virgin America Fred Reid

Former US DOT Secretary Ray LaHood

Former Midwest Airlines CEO Timothy Hoeksema

It appears we are seeing the last days of this operation

RJNUT · Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:52 pm

anyone know anything about the punk who ran the thing, Matt Maguire?t

NWADTWE16 · Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:06 pm

would help if their website had at least a route map of where they flew. I found it very odd how that site is set up, and we have corp clients who want/wanted to fly them to in and out of BDL

masseybrown · Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:07 pm

Glad that Ultimate Shuttle protected itself and will survive.

lavalampluva · Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:37 pm

Seems like their aircraft spent a lot of time idle during the day. Parked aircraft don’t make :dollarsign:

kjeld0d · Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:48 pm

RJNUT wrote:
anyone know anything about the punk who ran the thing, Matt Maguire?

Looks like he's in his early 30s, with all of 13 connections on LinkedIn. Very similar to Zander Futernick, the "21 year old aviation CEO".

MO11 · Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:04 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
Seems like their aircraft spent a lot of time idle during the day. Parked aircraft don’t make

But flying airplanes can lose more money.....

mtnwest1979 · Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:22 am

NWADTWE16 wrote:
would help if their website had at least a route map of where they flew. I found it very odd how that site is set up, and we have corp clients who want/wanted to fly them to in and out of BDL

I also was dismayed that they never promoted their areas of service with a map of any kind. But from its inception, I expected an Enterprise Airlines type failure.

NolaMD88fan · Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:33 am

Sounds like it's on the same trajectory as the now defunct GLO down here at MSY. Was really hoping J1 would succeed. Alas, the airline business is definitely a good way to lose money quickly.

SkyVoice · Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:01 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Sounds like it's on the same trajectory as the now defunct GLO down here at MSY. Was really hoping J1 would succeed. Alas, the airline business is definitely a good way to lose money quickly.

It's a shame. Having been reasonably close to the Enterprise Airlines situation at CVG, I'm having serious doubts that the business model for scheduled airline service can work at all with very small jets. Enterprise flew ten-passenger Cessna Citations. If one of their flights was full, but two passengers bailed on them, that's 20% of their passenger load and their fare & fee income gone right there. For a 200-passenger jet, the same scenario would (presumably) be true if a flight on that plane was fully booked, but 40 passengers bailed! At least the big jet can bring in more income with premium services (first class, business class, premium economy, etc.), but there just seems to be almost no room for much of a profit margin with flying the little jets.

Nola, for y'all in 'Nawlins,' check out the following link. It's to a VA (so far), but their website is still up & running strong! http://www.airgumbo.com/
:biggrin:

Runway28L · Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:19 am

I am curious as to what the tipping point was for OneJet. Seems like they were doing ok until Contour started flying those ex UA/EV ERJs on J1's behalf and things went downhill from there.

cvgComair · Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:10 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Glad that Ultimate Shuttle protected itself and will survive.

Agreed. With these business airlines you have to find a niche and keep it. The larger a/c definitely do help, but UE has been operating successfully since 2009. Although their lack of growth can be frustrating, it is probably a big part of the reason they are still in business.

Midwestindy · Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:46 am

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ls-through

OneJet's acquisition of Ultimate Jetcharters falls through

GalaxyFlyer · Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:01 am

You can’t make money in this business model—proved many times.

GF

cvgComair · Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:19 pm

It seems like Ultimate is the only one that can make this business model work. I am sure actually operating the aircraft and having charters ops to fill the gap helps make a big difference. Hopefully Ultimate can learn a lesson from this and keep expanding on their own.

masseybrown · Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:41 pm

cvgComair wrote:
It seems like Ultimate is the only one that can make this business model work. I am sure actually operating the aircraft and having charters ops to fill the gap helps make a big difference. Hopefully Ultimate can learn a lesson from this and keep expanding on their own.

Rock-bottom acquisition prices for the Dorniers helped also. I think Ultimate slowed their acquisition of E-135s (to a halt?) because the aircraft's price went up as fuel prices came down.

cvgComair · Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:44 pm

Yep, they had plans to acquire at least 2 and were looking for more, but they only ended up taking one. I imagine they will try to acquire more a/c now that fuel prices are going back up.

Runway28L · Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:20 pm

I am not able to access that article of the J1/UE deal falling through as it is asking me for a subscription. Could someone with access provide more details on the whole situation? :smile:

AviationGeek78 · Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:30 pm

Runway28L wrote:
I am curious as to what the tipping point was for OneJet. Seems like they were doing ok until Contour started flying those ex UA/EV ERJs on J1's behalf and things went downhill from there.

I can tell you that the flying of the ERJs has zero to do with OneJet's demise. OneJet is a ponzi scheme pure and simple.

molitvic20 · Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:47 pm

Runway28L wrote:
I am curious as to what the tipping point was for OneJet. Seems like they were doing ok until Contour started flying those ex UA/EV ERJs on J1's behalf and things went downhill from there.

Contour had nothing to do with OneJet going down hill. Contour by itself is actually doing really well. They’re making money and they’re expanding. Contour crew flew OneJets planes. So when OneJet decided to stop paying those leases on those ERJs, bank said “take them away” now they’re seating somewhere near Nashville.

drdisque · Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:51 pm

The ERJ flying did both exponentially raise the amount of unpaid bills due to their much higher total fuel burn and airport fees. It also raised expectations of the investors that they would start to see results of a somewhat "mature" airline.

KarlB737 · Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
OneJet is currently being sued by PIT for $763,000 for failing to launch or maintain 10 nonstop destinations specified in the $1 million incentive deal PIT made with J1. In addition to the $1 million J1 received, the airline received state and county loans to provide service as well.

Another writeup on the lawsuit:

Courtesy: Aviation Pros

OneJet Sued For Serving Only 2 Cities From Pittsburgh With $1M Incentive

https://www.aviationpros.com/news/12425003/onejet-sued-for-serving-only-2-cities-from-pittsburgh-with-1m-incentive

FlyingElvii · Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:54 pm

cvgComair wrote:
It seems like Ultimate is the only one that can make this business model work. I am sure actually operating the aircraft and having charters ops to fill the gap helps make a big difference. Hopefully Ultimate can learn a lesson from this and keep expanding on their own.

Ultimate fills a big niche, the small Charters are where the money is. Delta ran a bunch of small operators out of the pax charter biz, and then dumped it due to the pilot and planes shortages. The regionals don’t have enough crews for sched Service, let alone adding a bunch of charters to the problem.

Midwest college teams can not justify an E-170 to run 20 people from laf to state college, but Ultimate can make it work.

smokeybandit · Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:00 pm

ZeroJet?

AviationGeek78 · Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:55 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
ZeroJet?

#NoneJet

mke717spotter · Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:53 am

Sounds like MKE has been left in the dark:

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/bu ... 051785002/

"Officials at Mitchell International Airport, owned and operated by Milwaukee County, have not been informed by OneJet about any service elimination, but, "OneJet has not flown from MKE since June," Mitchell spokesman Harold Mester confirmed in an email Tuesday.

Even though it isn't flying out of Milwaukee anymore, "MKE has not been notified that OneJet is no longer serving the airport," Mester said. "OneJet has indicated it is transitioning its fleet to regional jets and intends to restart service, but no timeline was given."

OneJet's online reservation system no longer lists Milwaukee as a service point."

MKENut · Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:09 pm

mke717spotter wrote:
Sounds like MKE has been left in the dark:

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/bu ... 051785002/

"Officials at Mitchell International Airport, owned and operated by Milwaukee County, have not been informed by OneJet about any service elimination, but, "OneJet has not flown from MKE since June," Mitchell spokesman Harold Mester confirmed in an email Tuesday.

Even though it isn't flying out of Milwaukee anymore, "MKE has not been notified that OneJet is no longer serving the airport," Mester said. "OneJet has indicated it is transitioning its fleet to regional jets and intends to restart service, but no timeline was given."

OneJet's online reservation system no longer lists Milwaukee as a service point."

Timothy Hoeksema should stay retired and out of the airline industry.

RJNUT · Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:35 pm

he's gone from this cluster F. It was even too shady for him.

rj777 · Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:17 am

mke717spotter wrote:
Sounds like MKE has been left in the dark:

https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/bu ... 051785002/

"Officials at Mitchell International Airport, owned and operated by Milwaukee County, have not been informed by OneJet about any service elimination, but, "OneJet has not flown from MKE since June," Mitchell spokesman Harold Mester confirmed in an email Tuesday.

Even though it isn't flying out of Milwaukee anymore, "MKE has not been notified that OneJet is no longer serving the airport," Mester said. "OneJet has indicated it is transitioning its fleet to regional jets and intends to restart service, but no timeline was given."

OneJet's online reservation system no longer lists Milwaukee as a service point."

I wonder if someone (Maybe if the Midwest reboot gets off the ground) decides they want the OneJet gate (D27) at MKE, would the airport just let em have it and say to OneJet, "You snooze, you lose?"

masseybrown · Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:11 am

Now the Feds want $622,000 in cash ...

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... j=83466901

Midwestindy · Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:43 pm

No routes are bookable right now on their website

MO11 · Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:07 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
No routes are bookable right now on their website

The evening BUF-ALB-BUF flight flew Tuesday night, then the airplane ferried home. Same goes for the late BDL-PIT trip. After that, ferry to CAK. Good night.

Midwestindy · Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:19 pm

Talked to Crankyflier, he will be writing an article on Onejet tomorrow. He said he called reservations and someone actually answered, and said they were "halting bookings temporarily".

GSOtoIND · Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:30 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Talked to Crankyflier, he will be writing an article on Onejet tomorrow. He said he called reservations and someone actually answered, and said they were "halting bookings temporarily".

They say on their website that they're suspending flights while they transition to flying on their own AOC. The plan is to start back up in October, but time will tell if they follow through on that.

Midwestindy · Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:36 pm

GSOtoIND wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Talked to Crankyflier, he will be writing an article on Onejet tomorrow. He said he called reservations and someone actually answered, and said they were "halting bookings temporarily".

They say on their website that they're suspending flights while they transition to flying on their own AOC. The plan is to start back up in October, but time will tell if they follow through on that.

Yep, time will tell....

MO11 · Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:27 pm

GSOtoIND wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Talked to Crankyflier, he will be writing an article on Onejet tomorrow. He said he called reservations and someone actually answered, and said they were "halting bookings temporarily".

They say on their website that they're suspending flights while they transition to flying on their own AOC. The plan is to start back up in October, but time will tell if they follow through on that.

The only way it can manage that by October 1 is by buying an existing airline. New applications take upwards of 6 months.

Public Charters Inc. qualifies.....

upsideguy · Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:35 pm

Looks like One is done!

steeler83 · Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:56 pm

upsideguy wrote:
Looks like One is done!

So, DoneJet...

Other folks have said ByeJet or GoneJet. I had just thought of DoneJet, but you apparently already thought of that yesterday. Haha...

These press releases can say what they want, but I think we can all see the writing on the wall. I don't see this Part 135 idea working out.

KarlB737 · Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:49 pm

From the One Jet Website:

http://onejet.com/press-archive/one-jet-statement

"AUGUST 29, 2018

IMPORTANT UPDATE REGARDING OPERATIONAL TRANSITION
One Jet will be transitioning its operations to a fully owned 135 operating certificate over the next 8 weeks. During this transition, we will be suspending scheduled services on current routes. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused by this disruption; the result of this transition will be a more robust and reliable operation for our customers from the fourth quarter forward.

We presently expect inventory to re-open for sale beginning October 1st and will make additional information available at that time."

drdisque · Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:01 pm

Public Charters Inc. is not a Part 135. They are a Part 380 who handles ticket sales for Part 135's.

MO11 · Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:49 pm

drdisque wrote:
Public Charters Inc. is not a Part 135. They are a Part 380 who handles ticket sales for Part 135's.

It now has commuter authority. The AVP-PIT service (that is ending) is scheduled service. The flights sold as Texas Sky, Northern Sky, and Ultimate Air Shuttle are Part 380. I believe it intends to operate the Northern Sky flights with its own airplane.

rj777 · Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:58 pm

I wonder if their plans for MKE will be coming back (including MKE-OMA) in October. I live in Milwaukee and my parents live in Omaha. It was a great service when I had it on Midwest/Frontier, especially in an emergency situation.

RJNUT · Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:35 am

MO11 wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Public Charters Inc. is not a Part 135. They are a Part 380 who handles ticket sales for Part 135's.

It now has commuter authority. The AVP-PIT service (that is ending) is scheduled service. The flights sold as Texas Sky, Northern Sky, and Ultimate Air Shuttle are Part 380. I believe it intends to operate the Northern Sky flights with its own airplane.

Hoepfully not on their Navajo to Manistee!!

SkyVoice · Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:27 am

Why is OneJet beginning to remind me of the 2014 version of People Express? Does anyone else see the similarities?

MO11 · Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:28 pm

RJNUT wrote:
MO11 wrote:
drdisque wrote:
Public Charters Inc. is not a Part 135. They are a Part 380 who handles ticket sales for Part 135's.

It now has commuter authority. The AVP-PIT service (that is ending) is scheduled service. The flights sold as Texas Sky, Northern Sky, and Ultimate Air Shuttle are Part 380. I believe it intends to operate the Northern Sky flights with its own airplane.

Hoepfully not on their Navajo to Manistee!!

It just bought a Beech 1300.

masseybrown · Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:37 pm

SkyVoice wrote:
Why is OneJet beginning to remind me of the 2014 version of People Express? Does anyone else see the similarities?

It reminds me of a small version of Theranos: a super-salesman CEO with nothing behind her (him in this case).

KarlB737 · Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:47 pm

Courtesy: Aviation Pros

OneJet Suspends All Flights Amid Tax Lien, Lawsuit, Scrutiny

https://www.aviationpros.com/news/12427562/onejet-suspends-all-flights-amid-tax-lien-lawsuit-scrutiny

Gulfstream500 · Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:44 am

Anyone see this coming?
https://triblive.com/news/adminpage/141 ... bankruptcy
I am predicting bankruptcy within a month.

lavalampluva · Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:29 am

It’s a business model doomed to fail.

Gulfstream500 · Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:38 am

https://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/new ... 11/06/onej et-owes-nfta-nearly-50-000-as-albany-buffalo.html

It’s official: OneJet has filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

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