Hi Fly A380 operations thread 2018

tvh · Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:13 pm

How about IB?

aemoreira1981 · Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:41 pm

According to CH-Aviation (albeit behind a paywall), it is Air Austral who is negotiating a wet lease. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -wet-lease. Their B77Ws are configured for 438 seats (J14W40Y384). I suspect that this will be used for "domestic" flights between Reunion and metropolitan France.

DWC · Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:43 pm

My unknowledgeable guess, UU and/or LX :
UU wet leasing one frame has to be for a small airline externalizing the risks in that handsome fashion.
LX because of the points in post 151

JerseyFlyer · Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:56 pm

Air Austral ordered (probably Loi'd) the A380 in high density configuration some time ago but did not take delivery.

GRIVely · Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:47 pm

When do we anticipate the first revenue flight by HiFly? Sitting around waiting for months costs a lot of money and they have already missed the northern hemisphere summer.

DrStrange · Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:31 pm

Air Austral seems to be the taker with the lease beginning at the end of August as per Aero.de:
https://www.aero.de/news-29662/Air-Aust ... rtern.html
(link in German)
added French link, which is linked in the Aero article:
https://www.clicanoo.re/Economie/Articl ... ral_541999

Momo1435 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:50 pm

The French article states that the reason for this lease is the RR engine issues on their 787s. The A380 should come to them late august, and stay for a couple of weeks until the 787 that will be out of rotation will join the fleet again.

So if this turns out to be true it will be just a standard HiFly lease, a short term replacement for an aircraft that is out of service.

It could also be possible that this won't be the first customer, with another still unknown airline leasing it in the 1st couple of weeks of August??

aemoreira1981 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:34 pm

GRIVely wrote:
When do we anticipate the first revenue flight by HiFly? Sitting around waiting for months costs a lot of money and they have already missed the northern hemisphere summer.

This might also be a power by the hour lease, where Hi Fly only pays based on when it's in the air, and not parked at Beja.

N14AZ · Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:04 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I suspect that this will be used for "domestic" flights between Reunion and metropolitan France.

... via the Atlantic Ocean as announced by HiFly‘s CEO? :scratchchin:

Momo1435 wrote:
So if this turns out to be true it will be just a standard HiFly lease, a short term replacement for an aircraft that is out of service.

Yapp, if you compare this to how they described their first A380-contract then this is a little bit ... well ... sobering?

Kikko19 · Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:04 pm

According to https://www.check-in.dk/chartergaester- ... benhavn-2/ it will be used by Thomas Cook as charter cph-larnaca.

Zaf · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:15 am

Kikko19 wrote:
According to https://www.check-in.dk/chartergaester- ... benhavn-2/ it will be used by Thomas Cook as charter cph-larnaca.

She arrived in CPH already : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-mip

N14AZ · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:38 am

Zaf wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
According to https://www.check-in.dk/chartergaester- ... benhavn-2/ it will be used by Thomas Cook as charter cph-larnaca.

She arrived in CPH already : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-mip

Wow, so they still use it for this present summer vacation season.

Dispatcher9999 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:47 am

Kikko19 wrote:
According to https://www.check-in.dk/chartergaester- ... benhavn-2/ it will be used by Thomas Cook as charter cph-larnaca.

On a LCA flight today and then a PMI Flight tomorrow I believe.

Kikko19 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:53 am

at the end of the month would be nice to see some stats about the utilization if higher or lower than other acfts

Someone83 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:13 am

Dispatcher9999 wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
According to https://www.check-in.dk/chartergaester- ... benhavn-2/ it will be used by Thomas Cook as charter cph-larnaca.

On a LCA flight today and then a PMI Flight tomorrow I believe.

CPH-LCA today and OSL-PMI tomorrow

Thomas Cook Scandinavia is still struggling with their operations and the chaos at RHO a few days ago, this they have to get some lift from Hi Fly

tvh · Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:32 am

Someone83 wrote:
Dispatcher9999 wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
According to https://www.check-in.dk/chartergaester- ... benhavn-2/ it will be used by Thomas Cook as charter cph-larnaca.

On a LCA flight today and then a PMI Flight tomorrow I believe.

Does not sound as the kind of routes this aircraft was made for. More like it was the only thing we could get at the moment.

Revelation · Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:08 pm

See also: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... mer-450833

"The leisure operator tells FlightGlobal it is using the widebody for a one-off flight today between Copenhagen and Rhodes, to collect customers who have been delayed by IT problems at the Greek airport.

Thomas Cook says the "beautiful" jet was needed for "extra capacity to bring our guests back safely".

There are no current plans to use the A380 for any other flights, as Thomas Cook has a number of reserve aircraft based in the UK, Germany, Denmark, Scandinavia and the Balearic islands which can provide additional capacity."

Armodeen · Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:15 pm

Revelation wrote:
See also: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... mer-450833

"The leisure operator tells FlightGlobal it is using the widebody for a one-off flight today between Copenhagen and Rhodes, to collect customers who have been delayed by IT problems at the Greek airport.

Thomas Cook says the "beautiful" jet was needed for "extra capacity to bring our guests back safely".

There are no current plans to use the A380 for any other flights, as Thomas Cook has a number of reserve aircraft based in the UK, Germany, Denmark, Scandinavia and the Balearic islands which can provide additional capacity."

It speaks volumes that Tommy Cook is willing to shell out for the only available aircraft to bring their passengers back, and they are of course maximising the positive PR they can get from the probably not insignificant expenditure. Those passengers who will be rescued by the whale will probably take away a positive image of the airline, rather than what they would have otherwise been left with.

IAG could learn a thing or two.

EChid · Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:23 pm

Regarding the Asian airlines, I would say it has to be TG, unless SQ or OZ need it for some maintenance-related issue.

KE reported parking on of their A380s a few months ago, and they have 747s to fill in. SQ would have planned better than this. OZ already owns too many A380s.

BKK is massively over capacity so I could see TG wanting to manage that with larger planes but not wanting to buy more A380s. Plus, they have affected 787s that are probably make life a bit tough as the busy season approaches.

DWC · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:07 pm

Hi-Fly must have a number of signed contracts in hand or at least a long-term one or I don't see how they would have jumped into acquiring an A380-
Same goes for the second frame.
Which also means that short-cycle legs need to be compensated with longer ones ( like EK or TG do ) or the frames will wear out fast.

JetBuddy · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:19 pm

Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL.

In Norwegian:
https://flysmart24.no/2018/08/01/setter ... -til-oslo/

estorilm · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:47 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL.

In Norwegian:
https://flysmart24.no/2018/08/01/setter ... -til-oslo/

Wow, those poor pax are just going to be packed in there like sardines! :lol:

It's cool to see her making money with the new operator already, and equally amazing that Thomas Cook jumped on the opportunity to take care of their passengers.

I wonder what the logistics were like to get a crew together on next to zero notice for that flight? It's not like they were really expecting to be in the air that day was it? I can't imagine there are an over-abundance of 380 drivers / crew running around out there.

N14AZ · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:55 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL

The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face... ;-)

As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

Strato2 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:56 pm

estorilm wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL.

In Norwegian:
https://flysmart24.no/2018/08/01/setter ... -til-oslo/

Wow, those poor pax are just going to be packed in there like sardines!

Is that a joke or...? The A380 will provide an absolutely superior travel experience compared to any charter jet Thomas Cook uses.

TOGA10 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:27 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL.

In Norwegian:
https://flysmart24.no/2018/08/01/setter ... -til-oslo/

Do we have any time schedule for this trip? I'll be in PMI tomorrow so might catch a glimpse!

EChid · Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:33 pm

N14AZ wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL

The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face...
As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

moa999 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:00 pm

From other threads I think it's a one off.

DWC · Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:11 pm

EChid wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face...
As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

Which can be a double-edged sword with observative PAX who may flee any sardine cans thereafter, regardless of ticket fare.

EChid · Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:15 pm

DWC wrote:
EChid wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face...
As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

Which can be a double-edged sword with observative PAX who may flee any sardine cans thereafter, regardless of ticket fare.

Not when they look at the fare differences they won't.

AAR · Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:51 pm

HiFly A380 flies from Copenhagen 2015 CET to Larnaca for a tour operator, will return to OSL or ARN flight will be DK1102

TS-IOR · Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:53 pm

Even if it's a one-off it's still the first commercial lease.

A380MSN004 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:00 pm

A380 @ PMI. Very interesting

flyingphil · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:07 pm

Its has just departed Copenhagen for Larnaca today (Wednesday)
Callsign Viking 1102

Momo1435 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:24 pm

These 2 emergency leases are probably the reason why HiFly didn't go for the Asian customer. I could see it do a lot more of this kind of flights before it will go to Air Austral at the end of the month.

gatibosgru · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:25 pm

Are there any pix of the Y cabin?

Momo1435 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:30 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Are there any pix of the Y cabin?

Yes, HiFly posted a lot of pictures on their Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 3338010462

And apart from the logo's it's exactly the same interior as a Singapore Airlines A380, so no surprises.

TheRedBaron · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:39 pm

Weird that given the current hot climate, the people at Oslo will go to Palma de Mallorca to Cool Off....

TRB

Tedd · Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:54 pm

TheRedBaron wrote:
Weird that given the current hot climate, the people at Oslo will go to Palma de Mallorca to Cool Off....

TRB

Not now they won`t, Iberian peninsular is expecting 47 degrees C!
.
Good news for HiFly, Thomas Cook & it`s customers, I really hope it works well.

TC957 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:13 pm

Majorca never gets anywhere near 47C....that's reserved for places like Sevilla and the surrounding areas.
Be interesting to see the turnaround times in PMI when the A380 starts.

bananaboy · Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:24 pm

I see there have been medical diversions in the pasr# but would this be the first commercial A380 flight to / from Larnaca?

Mark

Arion640 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:03 pm

bananaboy wrote:
I see there have been medical diversions in the pasr# but would this be the first commercial A380 flight to / from Larnaca?

Mark

I think EK have sent theirs there on a one off.

gatibosgru · Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:44 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Are there any pix of the Y cabin?

Yes, HiFly posted a lot of pictures on their Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set ... 3338010462

And apart from the logo's it's exactly the same interior as a Singapore Airlines A380, so no surprises.

Thank you!

I expected it to be the same SQ interior, but hadn't seen it! I'm sure either way it is an upgrade to a lot of customers taking charters/lccs.

Thibault973 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:34 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
A380 @ PMI. Very interesting

A few years ago I saw a LH 380 taking off from PMI, quiet impressive. If I remember correctly they were doing short ops around Europe to promote the new aircraft type + train crews.

redcap1962 · Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:55 pm

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9h-mip

DWC · Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:42 pm

EChid wrote:
DWC wrote:
EChid wrote:
No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

Which can be a double-edged sword with observative PAX who may flee any sardine cans thereafter, regardless of ticket fare.

Not when they look at the fare differences they won't.

Well I do & there must be other sensible PAX around, not just sheeple

I never fly charter & in them I include the US3, everytime I fly AA, DL or UA for work I curse myself for not keeping my Word & wish I had cancelled all the mission instead !

N14AZ · Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:29 am

EChid wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Travel company Ving is also chartering the HiFly A380 this Thursday between Palma and Oslo.

The A380 will carry 238 pax OSL-PMI, and 403 pax PMI-OSL

The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face...
As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

Thanks for your feedback. So the first class was empty, obviously. Seems a little bit inefficient to fly an empty first class cabin from A to B but I guess in these kind of „emergency flights“ it’s not so much about efficiency... (similar to an An124 you can lease for your freight).

mxaxai · Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:04 am

N14AZ wrote:
EChid wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face...
As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

Thanks for your feedback. So the first class was empty, obviously. Seems a little bit inefficient to fly an empty first class cabin from A to B but I guess in these kind of „emergency flights“ it’s not so much about efficiency... (similar to an An124 you can lease for your freight).

I guess it is difficult to have the perfect configuration for every customer. If you equip only economy, or just a small premium section, you risk having to bump those well-paying premium pax to economy class. That's ok if you only substitute for Norwegian or Thomas Cook but not if you want legacy airlines as your customer.

rutankrd · Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:25 am

N14AZ wrote:
EChid wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
The configuration is 12 First / 60 Business / 399 Economy... I guess four passengers will have a big grin on their face...
As far as I know Thomas Cook does not have a proper business class.

No, but they have a 'premium' section. I'm guessing the 'premium' folks will be put in business on the A380. They might see it as a nice upgrade given the inconvenience of the interruption to their travel plans.

Thanks for your feedback. So the first class was empty, obviously. Seems a little bit inefficient to fly an empty first class cabin from A to B but I guess in these kind of „emergency flights“ it’s not so much about efficiency... (similar to an An124 you can lease for your freight).

N14AZ It’s an almost daily event for Emirates to operate the A380 in their network with FIRST closed off somewhere - in fact it’s quite frequent at places such as Birmingham UK to see these in lieu of the scheduled high density two clas versions.

On many of HiFly leases it quite probable the first suites will be closed off by the leasee imho.

It’s far from the end of the world and it’s only like twelve bath chairs not exactly and mass of capacity!

The lease rate are per frame and crew per hour anyway.

Mortyman · Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:54 am

A Hifly Airbus 380 landed on OSL today to bring charter tourists from Oslo to Mallorca / Majorca and back. It's the Norwegian charter tour agency Ving that has had trouble lately with passengers that has been delayed and gotten stuck, that has chartered the Hifly Airbus 380.

The flight has had to get special clearance to operate from the airport as the runway isn't really wide enough . The engines on the Airbus 380 hangs outside the runway. The airport did extra checks of the runway before and after landing.

Airbus 380 has been at OSL before for frost and cold testing, for promo and for medical diversions.

Photo in article:

https://e24.no/privat/luftfart/innleid- ... n/24406522

JetBuddy · Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:58 pm

It's really great to see the aircraft doing business again.

Both the CPH-LCA, LCA-CPH flights seems to have went well. The aircraft repositioned CPH-OSL this morning, and left OSL for PMI just half an hour ago. Everything seems to go as planned. These initial operations means a lot for a small airline with a new aircraft type, especially when it's an A380.

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