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eamondzhang wrote:getluv wrote:RE: TK to DPS. Bali is a popular destination with Europeans and the EPL types. I'm sure transits to Australia will be minimal at best considering TK have SQ for all of that.
RE: WA Gov/India - The WA Government should stop throwing good money after bad and instead use that money to market WA as a destination.
The relationship between SQ and TK is meh at best; TK will sell you a transfer via TG way before it sells a SQ transfer.
But since it's TK, you can never discount the possibility; although lacking a proper airside transit facility in DPS is not helping.
Michael
RyanairGuru wrote:eamondzhang wrote:getluv wrote:RE: TK to DPS. Bali is a popular destination with Europeans and the EPL types. I'm sure transits to Australia will be minimal at best considering TK have SQ for all of that.
RE: WA Gov/India - The WA Government should stop throwing good money after bad and instead use that money to market WA as a destination.
The relationship between SQ and TK is meh at best; TK will sell you a transfer via TG way before it sells a SQ transfer.
But since it's TK, you can never discount the possibility; although lacking a proper airside transit facility in DPS is not helping.
Michael
Look at TK’s fares loaded ex-Australia (not what you see online through a booking engine, look at the actual fare basis) and you will see that they have a motley mish-mash of interline partners but the airlines they push the most are (1) Jetstar [yes, really] (2) Malaysia, (3) Thai, (4) Qantas. Those four airlines account for the bulk of TK’s (admittedly relatively limited) interline traffic. Others include SQ, CX, OZ and OD (as already mentioned).
RyanairGuru wrote:eamondzhang wrote:getluv wrote:RE: TK to DPS. Bali is a popular destination with Europeans and the EPL types. I'm sure transits to Australia will be minimal at best considering TK have SQ for all of that.
RE: WA Gov/India - The WA Government should stop throwing good money after bad and instead use that money to market WA as a destination.
The relationship between SQ and TK is meh at best; TK will sell you a transfer via TG way before it sells a SQ transfer.
But since it's TK, you can never discount the possibility; although lacking a proper airside transit facility in DPS is not helping.
Michael
Look at TK’s fares loaded ex-Australia (not what you see online through a booking engine, look at the actual fare basis) and you will see that they have a motley mish-mash of interline partners but the airlines they push the most are (1) Jetstar [yes, really] (2) Malaysia, (3) Thai, (4) Qantas. Those four airlines account for the bulk of TK’s (admittedly relatively limited) interline traffic. Others include SQ, CX, OZ and OD (as already mentioned).
RyanairGuru wrote:Free luggage, yes, and they interline baggage to the final destination, something they don’t do for JQ-JQ or JQ-QF connections. Not sure about food.
JBusworth wrote:When I flew KUL-SIN-SYD with JQ on a QF ticket I certainly got free bags, with interline baggage through to SYD. Free meal, drink and amenities as well.
RyanairGuru wrote:JBusworth wrote:When I flew KUL-SIN-SYD with JQ on a QF ticket I certainly got free bags, with interline baggage through to SYD. Free meal, drink and amenities as well.
That’s 3K, not JQ. 3K and GK interline luggage to Qantas (and many other airlines) over SIN and NRT/KIX. JQ doesn’t for flights touching Australia. IIRC JQ do though over AKL.
RyanairGuru wrote:Free luggage, yes, and they interline baggage to the final destination, something they don’t do for JQ-JQ or JQ-QF connections. Not sure about food.
eamondzhang wrote:RyanairGuru wrote:eamondzhang wrote:The relationship between SQ and TK is meh at best; TK will sell you a transfer via TG way before it sells a SQ transfer.
But since it's TK, you can never discount the possibility; although lacking a proper airside transit facility in DPS is not helping.
Michael
Look at TK’s fares loaded ex-Australia (not what you see online through a booking engine, look at the actual fare basis) and you will see that they have a motley mish-mash of interline partners but the airlines they push the most are (1) Jetstar [yes, really] (2) Malaysia, (3) Thai, (4) Qantas. Those four airlines account for the bulk of TK’s (admittedly relatively limited) interline traffic. Others include SQ, CX, OZ and OD (as already mentioned).
Not surprising. I've also seen other carriers like AF/KL pushing for JQ connections to Australia via DPS/SIN, although it does seems strange somehow.
I also believe JQ's interline ticket with other carriers come with free luggage and meals; think I read it somewhere on their website but I could be wrong.
Michael
kriskim wrote:LATAM increases MEL to x5 weekly from 01JAN with new Thursday and Saturday services, the CEO hopes to make MEL-SCL daily soon, as the number of traffic between the two continents has grown by 40% since services was launched. LATAM says that there is sufficient demand to make the route daily and loads have been great for the airline.
There is also prospects for new direct services to Brazil.
Qantas16 wrote:Anyone know the demographics on South American population in Australia? How does it compare SYD vs MEL vs BNE etc...
eta unknown wrote:
a320fan wrote:Lots of Brazilians In Melbourne either studying or working, it’s probably up there as one of the largest number of foreign students and workers I come in contact with, though still far behind the more obvious sources of immigration (Uk, NZ, China, India) Also a surprisingly high number of Colombians, Don’t think I’ve met many Chileans, Argentinians or other asssorted other SA countries, easily 80% of South Americans I’ve met have been Brazilian or Colombian.
a320fan wrote:Lots of Brazilians In Melbourne either studying or working, it’s probably up there as one of the largest number of foreign students and workers I come in contact with, though still far behind the more obvious sources of immigration (Uk, NZ, China, India) Also a surprisingly high number of Colombians, Don’t think I’ve met many Chileans, Argentinians or other asssorted other SA countries, easily 80% of South Americans I’ve met have been Brazilian or Colombian.
NTLDaz wrote:a320fan wrote:Lots of Brazilians In Melbourne either studying or working, it’s probably up there as one of the largest number of foreign students and workers I come in contact with, though still far behind the more obvious sources of immigration (Uk, NZ, China, India) Also a surprisingly high number of Colombians, Don’t think I’ve met many Chileans, Argentinians or other asssorted other SA countries, easily 80% of South Americans I’ve met have been Brazilian or Colombian.
As someone who is married to a Chilean who came here as a 10 year old 40 years ago I know lots of South Americans.
According to the 2011 census about 40% more Argentinians and Chileans live in NSW compared to Victoria and about 3 x Brazilians. If fact more Brazilians live in Queensland than Victoria.
Haven't looked up 2016 census. If there is ever a direct Brazil - Australia flight I'd be surprised if it wasn't to Sydney.
If Australia ever joins the rest of the world and relaxed Visa restrictions I think we'd see more tourists as well.
IndianicWorld wrote:Wonder how NZ are doing now though in the MEL market to South America (EZE)? At one point they were showing that MEL was their strongest feed market before LA started the SCL flights.
eta unknown wrote:IndianicWorld wrote:Wonder how NZ are doing now though in the MEL market to South America (EZE)? At one point they were showing that MEL was their strongest feed market before LA started the SCL flights.
Yes I was wondering the same thing- the more direct flights that get launched between AU and North/South America, the more it affects NZ and their pricing. From what I hear in the agent retail sphere, if a LAX/SFO nonstop is $100-$200 more than NZ, pax pay for the nonstop.
TasFlyer wrote:An update on this post from the June thread.
TT has now loaded HBA-OOL flights for NW18-19, beginning on Tuesday October 30. Schedule is as follows:
TT852 HBA 0905-1035 OOL 246
TT851 OOL 1105-1445 HBA 246
The schedule appears to be year-round now, with flights loaded up to 8 August 2019.
eta unknown wrote:Probably because QF will not play ball or gave TK an overpriced SPA rate on AU-Asia fares that it's not worth it. And yes I can confirm OD does carry some good TK transit traffic from AU to KUL, but this is usually in peak season.
Many people mistake alliances for being what they really are- marketing tools that often don't work as well as hoped (examples: GA lack of Skyteam connecting traffic, SQ not playing nice with other Star Alliance partners). What you see now is many alliance partners working with carriers outside their alliance to get access to create decent saleable fares.
eta unknown wrote:QF ... SYD-BKK route often needs help.
MooLor wrote:eta unknown wrote:QF ... SYD-BKK route often needs help.
Apologies if I have misinterpreted your meaning, but was that it?
I have often wondered about QF SYD-BKK. Three full-service carriers on the route, and one of them offers QF code share on an A380. Another is TG / Star Alliance on a 744. And then there is what I assume is many people's third choice - an A330 that happens to be flown by QF, often at higher fares than the other two from my own observations..
eta unknown wrote:Sounds like the SPA agreement is a good one then. I don't think QF would bother with DPS as only a 737... most likely only SIN/HKG/BKK- SYD-BKK route often needs help.
MooLor wrote:... A recent newspaper article had BKK as the cheapest $ / km international route out of SYD. And anecdotally, family pricing a 'scissor' trip to Europe from SYD next year say TG is the "best" (cheapest) Y fare they have found. If they are undercutting QR then it must be pretty damn cheap!
Qantas16 wrote:Can anyone shed any light on the crewing arrangements for the weekly ADF/Hi-Fly charter to the UAE? The flight is operated by a Hi-Fly A340-300 and departs on a Tuesday afternoon and typically flies BNE-SYD-DRW-NHD-DRW-SYD-BNE returning Thursday afternoon... Do they use Australian-based crew and have a layover in NHD? Can the crew operate BNE-SYD-DRW-NHD in a single go?
Also, yes, sometimes the routing includes stops in TSV and occasionally ADL too.
eta unknown wrote:Sounds like the SPA agreement is a good one then. I don't think QF would bother with DPS as only a 737... most likely only SIN/HKG/BKK- SYD-BKK route often needs help.
getluv wrote:eta unknown wrote:Sounds like the SPA agreement is a good one then. I don't think QF would bother with DPS as only a 737... most likely only SIN/HKG/BKK- SYD-BKK route often needs help.
The LF's on SYD-BKK are routinely healthy.
A350OZ wrote:MooLor wrote:... A recent newspaper article had BKK as the cheapest $ / km international route out of SYD. And anecdotally, family pricing a 'scissor' trip to Europe from SYD next year say TG is the "best" (cheapest) Y fare they have found. If they are undercutting QR then it must be pretty damn cheap!
I've just been trying to put together a MEL-EU return trip for a family member in 2 months time, and TG together with EY were the lowest fares by far, on par with or even lower than the Chinese carriers that involved lengthy and sometimes two connections each way. Went with EY in the end because on the particular dates I wanted TG was more expensive. Interestingly, QR pricing was not competitive.
wiggy wrote:australia is apparently short on pilots so thats why heaps of flights are being cancelled
wiggy wrote:australia is apparently short on pilots so thats why heaps of flights are being cancelled
planemanofnz wrote:It seems that Melbourne might get a direct flight to Hainan in China (either Sanya or Haikou) - though, nothing confirmed at this stage.
See: http://m.hinews.cn/news/show.php?url=ht ... 1033.shtml (only in Chinese).
MEL is on fire of late, with double digit international growth. IMO, ICN seems like the big gap, followed by maybe Africa, and Texas?
Cheers,
C.