TATL Announcements for 2019

Robbie86 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:29 pm

What do you guys think of ARN’s possibilities for 2019? Any chance for AC or Rouge, YYZ-ARN? Or UA SFO-ARN?

SCQ83 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:53 pm

Maybe Norwegian could add Madrid-Oakland and Madrid-Orlando.

dabpit · Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:52 pm

I am hoping for the return of ATL - VIE.

Will OS announce a new North American destination since they are ending MIA service from VIE?

Pepper456 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:09 pm

I hope also the return of UA EWR-OPO but with another bigger aircraft (B767) and year-round and possibly the beginning of IAD-OPO.
And the beginning of JFK-OPO and/or ATL-OPO in DL (after PDL have it).
AA could do PHL-OPO also.
LIS could be on UA have DEN-LIS, SFO-LIS (concorrence for TP) and others...
DL could start SEA-LIS or SLC-LIS.
AA could start LAX-LIS.
Some routes are interesting others no, its my opinion.
Portuguese market for americans is growing and growing, so some routes are good others only seasonal...
And the rouge operation come back in both airports, and it will be very welcomed Air Canada main...

winginit · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:19 pm

With VS' retreat from their third daily LAXLHR, I wouldn't be too shocked to see DL metal back on LAXLHR with a much better offering than the 767 than they previously offered. Could also see LAXCDG and LAXAMS go daily as opposed to having alternating days.

chepos · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:19 pm

Pepper456 wrote:
I hope also the return of UA EWR-OPO but with another bigger aircraft (B767) and year-round and possibly the beginning of IAH-OPO.
And the beginning of JFK-OPO and/or ATL-OPO in DL (after PDL have it).
AA could do PHL-OPO also.
LIS could be on UA have DEN-LIS, SFO-LIS (concorrence for TP) and others...
DL could start SEA-LIS or SLC-LIS.
AA could start LAX-LIS.
Some routes are interesting others no, its my opinion.
Portuguese market for americans is growing and growing, so some routes are good others only seasonal...
And the rouge operation come back in both airports, and it will be very welcomed Air Canada main...

Most of those routes are not even feasible, DEN/LAX/SEA/SLC etc are not going to happen.

Pepper456 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:20 pm

chepos wrote:
Pepper456 wrote:
I hope also the return of UA EWR-OPO but with another bigger aircraft (B767) and year-round and possibly the beginning of IAH-OPO.
And the beginning of JFK-OPO and/or ATL-OPO in DL (after PDL have it).
AA could do PHL-OPO also.
LIS could be on UA have DEN-LIS, SFO-LIS (concorrence for TP) and others...
DL could start SEA-LIS or SLC-LIS.
AA could start LAX-LIS.
Some routes are interesting others no, its my opinion.
Portuguese market for americans is growing and growing, so some routes are good others only seasonal...
And the rouge operation come back in both airports, and it will be very welcomed Air Canada main...

Most of those routes are not even feasible, DEN/LAX/SEA/SLC etc are not going to happen.

Its not IAH its IAD (Washinghton DC)

nmdrdh787 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:39 pm

synanthropic wrote:
At the February Press Conference in Kyiv, Aron Mayberg (Head of Supervisory Board for Ukraine International Airlines) reported that UIA is looking to expand MIA - Kyiv (KBP) around 2020, though some insiders have reported they're looking at late 2019 for this. Still too early to see if it will make the 2019 spread or if it will end up being on the 2020 roster!

Is there any reasoning for this route? Is the market that good?

chepos wrote:
Pepper456 wrote:
I hope also the return of UA EWR-OPO but with another bigger aircraft (B767) and year-round and possibly the beginning of IAH-OPO.
And the beginning of JFK-OPO and/or ATL-OPO in DL (after PDL have it).
AA could do PHL-OPO also.
LIS could be on UA have DEN-LIS, SFO-LIS (concorrence for TP) and others...
DL could start SEA-LIS or SLC-LIS.
AA could start LAX-LIS.
Some routes are interesting others no, its my opinion.
Portuguese market for americans is growing and growing, so some routes are good others only seasonal...
And the rouge operation come back in both airports, and it will be very welcomed Air Canada main...

Most of those routes are not even feasible, DEN/LAX/SEA/SLC etc are not going to happen.

Same. With SFO added by TP, my fingers are crossed ORD is next, even seasonally.

Robbie86 wrote:
What do you guys think of ARN’s possibilities for 2019? Any chance for AC or Rouge, YYZ-ARN? Or UA SFO-ARN?

I'm curious about this.

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Milan. Lots of potential there. ORD is one option seasonally, same with ORD-ATH.

clrd4t8koff · Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:07 pm

Hope to see BOS pick up MXP, BRU, VIE or ATH. OS VIE-BOS could work on a 76W. Maybe Air Italy with a 787 on MXP-BOS?

chrisnh · Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:19 pm

BOS-AMS on KLM is likely, on top of what DL already does.

346fetish · Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:34 pm

Any stance on UA going back to BHX?

Pepper456 · Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:05 pm

nmdrdh787 wrote:
synanthropic wrote:
At the February Press Conference in Kyiv, Aron Mayberg (Head of Supervisory Board for Ukraine International Airlines) reported that UIA is looking to expand MIA - Kyiv (KBP) around 2020, though some insiders have reported they're looking at late 2019 for this. Still too early to see if it will make the 2019 spread or if it will end up being on the 2020 roster!

Is there any reasoning for this route? Is the market that good?

chepos wrote:
Pepper456 wrote:
I hope also the return of UA EWR-OPO but with another bigger aircraft (B767) and year-round and possibly the beginning of IAH-OPO.
And the beginning of JFK-OPO and/or ATL-OPO in DL (after PDL have it).
AA could do PHL-OPO also.
LIS could be on UA have DEN-LIS, SFO-LIS (concorrence for TP) and others...
DL could start SEA-LIS or SLC-LIS.
AA could start LAX-LIS.
Some routes are interesting others no, its my opinion.
Portuguese market for americans is growing and growing, so some routes are good others only seasonal...
And the rouge operation come back in both airports, and it will be very welcomed Air Canada main...

TP didnt announced it was the portuguese prime minister Antonio Costa when went to SFO for an conference i think
Most of those routes are not even feasible, DEN/LAX/SEA/SLC etc are not going to happen.

Same. With SFO added by TP, my fingers are crossed ORD is next, even seasonally.

Robbie86 wrote:
What do you guys think of ARN’s possibilities for 2019? Any chance for AC or Rouge, YYZ-ARN? Or UA SFO-ARN?

I'm curious about this.

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Milan. Lots of potential there. ORD is one option seasonally, same with ORD-ATH.

MAH4546 · Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:12 am

dabpit wrote:
I am hoping for the return of ATL - VIE.

Will OS announce a new North American destination since they are ending MIA service from VIE?

OS is not ending MIA. Simply converting to summer seasonal. Resume 31-Mar-2019.

BWIAirport · Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:15 am

Ah, the wonderful time of the year when I expect everyone to start long haul BWI service

LH658 · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:09 am

TWA772LR wrote:
I'd love to see IAH-CDG return on UA.

I'd much rather see IAH - FCO or IAH - MXP vs CDG. CDG is already covered at IAH, FCO and MXP, i can see be good seasonal routes.

Miami · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:28 am

dabpit wrote:
I am hoping for the return of ATL - VIE.

Will OS announce a new North American destination since they are ending MIA service from VIE?

They are not ending MIA. It's just going to be seasonal.

flyingqueen · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:32 am

I hear WestJet is going to announce Amsterdam!!!

vahancrazy · Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:04 am

Great thread!

Are there any announcements for new Latin America - Europe/Africa routes?

HighFlyerIT · Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:09 am

nmdrdh787 wrote:
I'm surprised nobody is talking about Milan. Lots of potential there. ORD is one option seasonally, same with ORD-ATH.

Air Italy will start a few new routes out of MXP in 2019.

Definitely LAX. Probably YYZ. Possibly other US destinations (BOS? ORD? SFO?).

vahancrazy wrote:
Great thread!

Are there any announcements for new Latin America - Europe/Africa routes?

MXP-EZE for sure.

whywhyzee · Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:31 am

Robbie86 wrote:
What do you guys think of ARN’s possibilities for 2019? Any chance for AC or Rouge, YYZ-ARN? Or UA SFO-ARN?

That is one I would really like to see, though I don't know if YYZ-ARN would be best served with a Rouge 767 or eventually a mainline A321neoLR if the rumor holds true. (Which would mean it might not open just yet). There should however be some spare Rouge 767 capacity as Hawaii transitions to all mainline over the winter.

YYZ in general, BEG is the biggest likelihood, realistically its just about certain. I would love to see a return to HAM, it was the Anna Aero route of the week a few weeks back, and could very easily support at least 3x weekly. Sticking to Germany, a return to DUS as well would make a lot of sense. AC and LH run with huge load factors at YYZ, especially FRA where I have routinely seen all 3 dailies go ~98% or greater LF, and though I don't have the exact numbers for Condor, checking on their website, booking a few weeks in advance, both J and Y are generally very full, and that flight operates 5x weekly. Considering normal growth levels, they are going to have a progressively harder time connecting pax as O/D fills the plane.

DobboDobbo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:48 pm

VS have previously announced a 20% increase in TATL seat capacity from MAN.

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/virgin-at ... sion-14338

S19 will see 6 based aircraft (4xB744; 2 x A332).

Routes: new MAN-LAX, 3x weekly on A332, BOS increased to 3x weekly, LAS increased to 4x weekly, MCO 12x weekly, BGI 2x weekly.

However, SFO is dropped. ATL and JFK remain daily but on the B744 (previously A330).

In addition to this, SQ have applied for SIN-MAN-IAH at 6x weekly (currently 5x weekly) and UA have applied to use the B763 on EWR-MAN. Neither of these have been confirmed.

TCX remains a puzzle. They are rumoured to be looking at a number of new US ports including Baltimore and New Orleans. Whether these come to pass (and if so in what form) remains to be seen. There is evidence to suggest they are cutting LAX in S19. None of this is confirmed.

synanthropic · Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:14 pm

nmdrdh787 wrote:
synanthropic wrote:
At the February Press Conference in Kyiv, Aron Mayberg (Head of Supervisory Board for Ukraine International Airlines) reported that UIA is looking to expand MIA - Kyiv (KBP) around 2020, though some insiders have reported they're looking at late 2019 for this. Still too early to see if it will make the 2019 spread or if it will end up being on the 2020 roster!

Is there any reasoning for this route? Is the market that good?

To be honest, it was a bit of a surprise to many of us, though it's still too early to see if it will start in 2019 or 2020... or I suppose even at all.

I am a doctor and one of my patients works in South Florida aviation (all I feel comfortable saying), so I'm a step away from any actual information, please know! However, the press conference for the MIA-KBP route in February was reported in the press, so there's something to that. Maybe u/Miami may have some better information for your question?

Kadish · Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:03 pm

Mad-IAD sooner or later must come true

MAH4546 · Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:12 pm

Royal Air Maroc will launch Casablanca-Miami in April. Application in with DOT today.

DeltaRules · Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:19 am

kavok wrote:
DL adds CMH-AMS

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

For those who don't read the Ohio thread and would've missed it, word is that AMS will be the destination for a CMH TATL flight if it happens. Obviously, funding would be key, and there's an advocacy group (OAA) which is going to push both gubernatorial candidates for an air service incentive fund.

I have to wonder if a PIT-CDG drop might work in CMH's favor, at least from the DL side.

zrs70 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:25 am

iadadd wrote:
KICT wrote:
No doubt; I just think that a metro area like ORF (which is larger than Las Vegas, population-wise) could support a less-than-daily A320NEO flight to Europe.

ORF doesn't even have flights to LAX or SFO, what makes you think it can handle a TATL ?

There are a few cities with no service to LAX/SFO that have flights across the pond.

crownvic · Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:10 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
KICT wrote:
You're right, I was misinformed. Would you like a participation trophy?

I’m sorry, I usually just roll my eyes and move on but I feel compelled to ask about this. Why do you feel it’s necessary to make a snide remark about someone who corrected you on a factually incorrect statement that you made? Especially when the poster did not do so in any rude or extraneous way? He just stated you were wrong with actual data.

Because more than likely he is part of this new generation of people that like to spew out information without taking 20 seconds to research it first. There is a reason the Internet is full of erroneous information. Then, these same people don't want to be corrected. It's far easier for them to make a "whatever" comment instead of accepting their errors and learning from them. More than likely, this person would be completely unemployable at most businesses, as he obviously would never be able to handle criticism.

adamh8297 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:40 pm

Does anyone have any predictions for the DY/DI/D8 737MAX additions (or deletions!) besides the the YHM route.

Will they try SWF-ORK? Seems like the experiment may be a failure.

iadadd · Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:16 pm

zrs70 wrote:
iadadd wrote:
KICT wrote:
No doubt; I just think that a metro area like ORF (which is larger than Las Vegas, population-wise) could support a less-than-daily A320NEO flight to Europe.

ORF doesn't even have flights to LAX or SFO, what makes you think it can handle a TATL ?

There are a few cities with no service to LAX/SFO that have flights across the pond.

Can you name them ?

NickolayAv · Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:52 pm

iadadd wrote:
zrs70 wrote:
iadadd wrote:

ORF doesn't even have flights to LAX or SFO, what makes you think it can handle a TATL ?

There are a few cities with no service to LAX/SFO that have flights across the pond.

Can you name them ?

SWF and PVD off the top of my head.

Aliqiout · Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:12 pm

iadadd wrote:
zrs70 wrote:
iadadd wrote:

ORF doesn't even have flights to LAX or SFO, what makes you think it can handle a TATL ?

There are a few cities with no service to LAX/SFO that have flights across the pond.

Can you name them ?

FAI is one.

YHZ,YXY, and YYT in Canada.

AaronPGH · Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:06 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
kavok wrote:
DL adds CMH-AMS

And unfortunately, one of these recent TATL adds also gets dropped for 2019:
DL PIT-CDG, BA RDU-LHR, DL MSP-KEF, WW CLE-KEF

For those who don't read the Ohio thread and would've missed it, word is that AMS will be the destination for a CMH TATL flight if it happens. Obviously, funding would be key, and there's an advocacy group (OAA) which is going to push both gubernatorial candidates for an air service incentive fund.

I have to wonder if a PIT-CDG drop might work in CMH's favor, at least from the DL side.

There is this weird thing that happens on this site where someone will post something they personally wish for, and then folks in the same echo chamber will run with that and post it as "word on the street is" in some other thread, creating a cycle of self-inflated, unsubstantiated rumors serving some purpose that escapes me.

PatrickZ80 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:08 pm

Robbie86 wrote:
Or UA SFO-ARN?

Unlikely with Norwegian already flying Stockholm - Oakland.

adamh8297 wrote:
Does anyone have any predictions for the DY/DI/D8 737MAX additions (or deletions!) besides the the YHM route.

Will they try SWF-ORK? Seems like the experiment may be a failure.

Probably not, Cork has proven to be too small for TATL routes. Also it doesn't attract feeder passengers from the rest of Europe, they're using Dublin instead.

Atlantic City might be on the radar from Dublin. Well within reach and it does have enough demand for a few weekly flights on a 737.

PVD757 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:35 pm

PVD-ORK is returning for a 3rd summer in 2019. Not sure why that is classified as a failure at least for now anyway.

PatrickZ80 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:57 pm

PVD757 wrote:
PVD-ORK is returning for a 3rd summer in 2019. Not sure why that is classified as a failure at least for now anyway.

During the summer anything works, however it's unsustainable in the winter. Demand is just too low.

mozart · Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:27 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
UA adds IAH-BRU or ZRH, resumes CDG.

“Adds” sounds as if it has been announced by the airline, and that it therefore is at least planned to happen.

Have these routes been announced by United Airlines? Or is this your wishful thinking?

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adamh8297 · Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:05 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
PVD757 wrote:
PVD-ORK is returning for a 3rd summer in 2019. Not sure why that is classified as a failure at least for now anyway.

During the summer anything works, however it's unsustainable in the winter. Demand is just too low.

I actually meant the 737 MAX Transatlantic Operation as a whole. I wasn't targeting just one route. I was hoping to see interesting routes that Kjos mentioned in the past such as BIO-PVD etc.. not sure they would all work of course.

PatrickZ80 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:53 am

adamh8297 wrote:
I actually meant the 737 MAX Transatlantic Operation as a whole. I wasn't targeting just one route. I was hoping to see interesting routes that Kjos mentioned in the past such as BIO-PVD etc.. not sure they would all work of course.

As a whole, I think they work. They need some finetuning of course, not every route will work, but the fact that Dublin - Stewart has gone double daily shows that there is a demand. And that's with Dublin as an end station as it lacks feeder flights further into Europe except for self-transfers. Imagine if they'd build a feeder network out of Dublin, that would allow them to send a 787 into Stewart instead of a 737.

gkirk · Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:01 am

I wonder if we could see VS trialling the likes of NCL and BHX to MCO.

Jerry123 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:26 am

Mentioned in this article that Primera Air are possibly looking at an airport to the west for transatlantic flights. Cardiff? Or Bristol? Though 'to the west' could mean Dublin! Lol
https://www.ttgmedia.com/wtm/wtm-insigh ... ence-14885

PatrickZ80 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:02 am

Jerry123 wrote:
Mentioned in this article that Primera Air are possibly looking at an airport to the west for transatlantic flights. Cardiff? Or Bristol? Though 'to the west' could mean Dublin! Lol
https://www.ttgmedia.com/wtm/wtm-insigh ... ence-14885

If they're really targeting Dublin they'll become a real competitor to Norwegian and it remains to be seen who'll win that battle. The fact that Ireland doesn't have APD could be an advantage as this guarantees a lower ticket price. But Primera is in a vulnerable position as well as it has a preference for larger, expensive airports. While this adds to convenience, it is easy to undercut the costs by flying into secondary airports like Norwegian does. Therefor the Norwegian flights might be less convenient, but they will be cheaper.

Internaute · Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:27 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
There is evidence to suggest they are cutting LAX in S19. None of this is confirmed.

Hi Dobbo - what evidence? Can you share?

MAN - LAX is loaded and for sale from end of June next year.

DobboDobbo · Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:44 am

Internaute wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
There is evidence to suggest they are cutting LAX in S19. None of this is confirmed.

Hi Dobbo - what evidence? Can you share?

MAN - LAX is loaded and for sale from end of June next year.

Hi Internaute

You are quite right - as things stand it is on sale and GDS.

What they have done is shorten the season (from early May to late June start) and a frequency reduction from 3x weekly to 2x weekly.

The evidence was a delay in loading, removal of one weekly flight and all flights being pushed back to the later start time (as you probably know these actions usually mean bad news is incoming).

Hope this helps!

timberwolf24 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:04 pm

Here is what I could see for ORD.
TAP to LIS
Air Italy to MXP
Air Serbia to BEG
American to PRG and/or ATH
Possibly some Norwegian adds.
EI or AA to SNN

cgnnrw · Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:59 pm

steeler83 wrote:
OKCDCA wrote:
Lots of people in the AA thread seem to think this will finally be the year for PHX-LHR... Also sounds like some Eastern Europe build up out of PHL is on the horizon.

From PHL, anyone see the possibility of AA adding Duseldorf or Berlin, or perhaps Vienna? It doesn't look like any of these markets are served from PHL. Then again, I am using Wiki as the source here...

I would LOVE to have a DUS-PHL non-stop!! Heck, I'd be happy if DL/AF returned to PHL. :pray:

DLHAM · Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:28 pm

The JFK-TXL flight numbers seem to be changing from 422/222 to 92/93 next year. Could this mean they switch the flight to yearround from 2019/2020?

iadguy73 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:35 pm

I also heard AA PHL-IST

soflaflyer · Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:41 pm

iadguy73 wrote:
I also heard AA PHL-IST

AA or TK?

DLHAM · Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:47 pm

iadguy73 wrote:
I also heard AA PHL-IST

That would be an interesting route. Once Delta served Istanbul from JFK, they canceled that flight already years ago. I think it was a summer seasonal in the last years. I think there was CO or UA service to IST a few years ago which didnt last long as well?

Well, UA serves IST through TK. AA used to Codeshare with THY before they joined Star. There are no US Airlines left at IST for years, I think THY is just too strong.

Danfearn77 · Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:51 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
Internaute wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
There is evidence to suggest they are cutting LAX in S19. None of this is confirmed.

Hi Dobbo - what evidence? Can you share?

MAN - LAX is loaded and for sale from end of June next year.

Hi Internaute

You are quite right - as things stand it is on sale and GDS.

What they have done is shorten the season (from early May to late June start) and a frequency reduction from 3x weekly to 2x weekly.

The evidence was a delay in loading, removal of one weekly flight and all flights being pushed back to the later start time (as you probably know these actions usually mean bad news is incoming).

Hope this helps!

Could they be dropping the frequency to start a new route? They are quite short on A330’s. The route is usually pretty full apparently, and does well on cargo so fingers crossed it stays.

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