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Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:49 pm

Mesa Air Group has decided to go public again and filed for an IPO The company plans to be listed under the proposed "MESA" symbol on NASDAQ.
Company expects to generate $150m on this initial tranche of stock.

Per filing the company has consistently posted profits since 2013.

Regional carrier Mesa Air Group files for IPO
https://www.nasdaq.com/article/regional ... o-cm991256

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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:52 pm

$150?
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:43 pm

Who are they owned by now?
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:48 pm

JO looks like he's running out of cash to keep that place afloat so he's trying to cash out while he can...
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:13 pm

I know AA owns a piece as US got stock in Mesa when they emerged from bankruptcy.

They are privately owned.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:48 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
JO looks like he's running out of cash to keep that place afloat so he's trying to cash out while he can...


Quite the contrary.

Mesa has been solidly profitable for last 5 years. Its a good time for the post BK owners take some of their money off the table.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:56 pm

Operating as a regional carrier in the U.S. is a tough business, with a very concentrated customer list. I'll keep my money, thanks.

The company offers scheduled passenger service to 110 cities in 38 states (with a strong presence in Dallas, Houston, Phoenix and Washington Dulles), operating flights as American Eagle or United Express.

For the six months ended March 31, it posted operating revenues of $332.3M (up from a year-ago $319.3M) and net income of $25M (up from the prior year's $11.9M).


https://seekingalpha.com/news/3370109-m ... -files-ipo
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:42 pm

I always thought they were a good fit for Skywest to acquire. I know AA and UA would be against this.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:09 pm

For the IPO about 5% of shares will be sold.

Owners with respective number of shares being tendred for the IPO:
American Airlines - 1,000,000
Corre Opportunities Fund - 900,528
Citigroup - 751,551
Penguin - 644,556
MSD Credit - 643,785
Axar Master Fund - 525,214
Momar - 452,266
Co Moore - 444,312
Owl Creek Credit - 444,041
USDR Investment - 436,610
group of 12 executives - 354,264
J.P. Morgan - 351,595
Wolverine Flagship Fund - 324,523
Whitebox Funds - 316,948
Wells Fargo - 294,404
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:10 pm

I wonder what this festering turd will sell for.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:26 pm

Mesa has been doing real well recent years.

Besides earning profits, they also have consistently been on top of the pack among their regional peers in DOT OT numbers. I even recall United awarded them some status like "regional partner of the year" for their strong performance.

airtran737 wrote:
I wonder what this festering turd will sell for.


5% of shares for $150mil.

Thats a handsome return for investors and employees that hold shares.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:46 pm

How is their staffing doing? Sometime last year I saw something that for 1 weekend there were dozens of UA flights that were unstaffed as of Friday afternoon that weekend.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:51 pm

:lol: I'll stick with Bitcoin.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:38 am

UPlog wrote:
Mesa has been doing real well recent years.

Besides earning profits, they also have consistently been on top of the pack among their regional peers in DOT OT numbers. I even recall United awarded them some status like "regional partner of the year" for their strong performance.


The UA side of the operation does better than the rest of UA but Mesa as a whole is still terrible performance wise. They are consistently at the bottom when it comes to larger AA regional carriers; particularly when you factor out ATC & WX delays that hamper the east-coast carriers.

ericm2031 wrote:
How is their staffing doing? Sometime last year I saw something that for 1 weekend there were dozens of UA flights that were unstaffed as of Friday afternoon that weekend.


They routinely are paying out at 300% for pilots to cover flights on the CRJ side and all of their chief pilots are full-time line holders. Most pilots are averaging 85-90 hours a month which will at some point put a strain on them when it comes to the 1000 hour rule. The E175 side is much better staffed.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:12 am

UPlog wrote:
Mesa has been doing real well recent years.

Besides earning profits, they also have consistently been on top of the pack among their regional peers in DOT OT numbers. I even recall United awarded them some status like "regional partner of the year" for their strong performance.

airtran737 wrote:
I wonder what this festering turd will sell for.


5% of shares for $150mil.

Thats a handsome return for investors and employees that hold shares.


A valuation of $3 Billion for this? Alaska carries a market cap of $7.6 Billion, and JetBlue $6.1 Billion.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:37 am

I will never forgive them for the Aloha Porngate.

I have to spit every time I say their name.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:38 am

alasizon wrote:

The UA side of the operation does better than the rest of UA but Mesa as a whole is still terrible performance wise. They are consistently at the bottom when it comes to larger AA regional carriers; particularly when you factor out ATC & WX delays that hamper the east-coast carriers.


Mesa #1 in DOT on-time performance for 3 out of 4 first months this year so far according to what DOT has published

http://www.mesa-air.com/Images/Articles ... 0FINAL.pdf
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:48 am

Mesa hires the drunks, DUI, jailtime, pedo pilots and staff. In exchange they pay them pennies on the dollar.

Quite the business model.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:50 am

Mesa doesn’t release financials as it’s privately held. So everyone on here claiming that they are “profitable” has not a clue.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:55 am

flyguy84 wrote:
Mesa doesn’t release financials as it’s privately held. So everyone on here claiming that they are “profitable” has not a clue.


Actually, they do. Being private does not release airlines from reporting financials. Its a DOT requirement.

Just like Frontier, Sun Country and other private airlines do, financials are reported quarterly.

In addition as part of its IPO filing, Mesa has filed audited financial statements and traffic numbers going back to 2013.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:16 pm

Mesa now estimates it will raise between US$150-171 million in its IPO, via an offering of shares at $14-16 each.

IPO date set for August 6th.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:33 pm

LAXintl wrote:
For the IPO about 5% of shares will be sold.


LAXintl wrote:
In addition as part of its IPO filing, Mesa has filed audited financial statements and traffic numbers going back to 2013.


LAXintl wrote:
Mesa now estimates it will raise between US$150-171 million in its IPO, via an offering of shares at $14-16 each.


If they're selling 5% of the company for $150 million, anyone buying into the stock at that price is a sucker. Their best earnings for the past 5 years were in 2013 when they showed net income of $41.6 million. For the first six months of 2018 they show net income of $25 million; if we assume annual net of $50 million from that, market cap of $3.0 to $3.4 billion at the IPO price implies a P-E ratio of 30 to 34. In comparison, LUV's P-E ratio is about 9.6 and DAL's is 11. SKYW's P-E is 7.1. There is no way Mesa is enough of a growth play to justify a P-E north of 30, and there's a huge amount of risk given that their customers, the legacy carriers, won't let them jack up margins.

At best I'd say that 5% of Mesa is worth $50-60 million.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Done deal. They apparently reduced the offering at the end offering to 9.6mil shares for $115mil.

Now being traded on Nasdaq under MESA symbol.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:51 pm

janders wrote:
Done deal. They apparently reduced the offering at the end offering to 9.6mil shares for $115mil.

Now being traded on Nasdaq under MESA symbol.


I read through the S-1 in more detail; it looks like they floated quite a bit more than 5% of the company -- more like a quarter of it based on a disclosure of 35.8 million diluted shares once all the warrants and stock grants are factored in. Still, the stock hit the market with a thud, down 3.5% versus the IPO price.

I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:44 pm

i always thought Mesa was a prime takeover target for Skywest.
 
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INFINITI329 wrote:
i always thought Mesa was a prime takeover target for Skywest.


I can't foresee Skywest Inc wanting to acquire YV as the aircraft MX doesn't stand up to Inc's standards. They would likely be willing to hire the pilots and take over the contracts by replacing them with planes of their own but it would take a lot for Inc to acquire YV's aircraft.

That being said, rumor has it that YV is looking for a takeover by someone. Maybe they will combine with EV and then UA will purchase the combined carrier for their wholly owned. The AA flying would have to be divested but I see no reason that OO wouldn't be willing to take over that flying.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

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I will never forgive them for the Aloha Porngate.

I have to spit every time I say their name.


Why do you say that? the people in charge of doing fares and revenue management *NEVER* saw any data from AQ or HA.... or had direct guidance from top leadership.

Maybe it was the fact AQ had people who were close to retirement doing those tasks, and AQ was not very keen on learning how to compete? Maybe they were used to being on autopilot and never challenged?
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:56 pm

janders wrote:
Done deal. They apparently reduced the offering at the end offering to 9.6mil shares for $115mil.

Now being traded on Nasdaq under MESA symbol.


A NASDAQ article today said that gives a fully diluted valuation of $426 million. Fewer shares, lower price. The skeptics won this battle.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

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usxguy wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I will never forgive them for the Aloha Porngate.

I have to spit every time I say their name.


Why do you say that? the people in charge of doing fares and revenue management *NEVER* saw any data from AQ or HA.... or had direct guidance from top leadership.

Maybe it was the fact AQ had people who were close to retirement doing those tasks, and AQ was not very keen on learning how to compete? Maybe they were used to being on autopilot and never challenged?


You misunderstand what I mean by Aloha Porngate. I don;t know how their management survived this:
https://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/2007/09/the-porn-defense-will-it-fly-at-mesa/

YV and HA ended up settling for 53 million dollars but I personally believe that YV's scumbag management knew exactly what they were doing...
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:54 am

Day 1. Closed at $11.75.
Shares of Mesa Air Group Inc. (mesa) fell in their debut, and were trading 4.2% below the initial public offering price of $12 in afternoon trade Friday.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:06 am

usflyer msp wrote:
usxguy wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I will never forgive them for the Aloha Porngate.

I have to spit every time I say their name.


Why do you say that? the people in charge of doing fares and revenue management *NEVER* saw any data from AQ or HA.... or had direct guidance from top leadership.

Maybe it was the fact AQ had people who were close to retirement doing those tasks, and AQ was not very keen on learning how to compete? Maybe they were used to being on autopilot and never challenged?


You misunderstand what I mean by Aloha Porngate. I don;t know how their management survived this:
https://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/2007/09/the-porn-defense-will-it-fly-at-mesa/

YV and HA ended up settling for 53 million dollars but I personally believe that YV's scumbag management knew exactly what they were doing...

:rotfl: Accidently deleted files in a court case while deleting porn... :rotfl: Yea... screams LIE!

But The MESA stock will need a bit of time to establish a track record. 2.52M shares were traded in the first day. That seems a bit high...

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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:35 pm

alasizon wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
i always thought Mesa was a prime takeover target for Skywest.


I can't foresee Skywest Inc wanting to acquire YV as the aircraft MX doesn't stand up to Inc's standards. They would likely be willing to hire the pilots and take over the contracts by replacing them with planes of their own but it would take a lot for Inc to acquire YV's aircraft.

That being said, rumor has it that YV is looking for a takeover by someone. Maybe they will combine with EV and then UA will purchase the combined carrier for their wholly owned. The AA flying would have to be divested but I see no reason that OO wouldn't be willing to take over that flying.


How much work realistically would take to bring the CR9 & E175 to "OO Standards"? I cant seeing it being that much work assuming YV mx records are in order.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:29 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
i always thought Mesa was a prime takeover target for Skywest.


I can't foresee Skywest Inc wanting to acquire YV as the aircraft MX doesn't stand up to Inc's standards. They would likely be willing to hire the pilots and take over the contracts by replacing them with planes of their own but it would take a lot for Inc to acquire YV's aircraft.

That being said, rumor has it that YV is looking for a takeover by someone. Maybe they will combine with EV and then UA will purchase the combined carrier for their wholly owned. The AA flying would have to be divested but I see no reason that OO wouldn't be willing to take over that flying.


How much work realistically would take to bring the CR9 & E175 to "OO Standards"? I cant seeing it being that much work assuming YV mx records are in order.


Honestly, a lot more than you would think. Years of neglect leads to extremely worn parts and OO has a focus on fixing problems, Mesa has a focus on patching the aircraft up using NEFs/CDLs/MELs to get it through as long as they can. I've never seen a Mesa engine pass boroscope inspection. It would probably take all new engines, new interiors, new cockpit screens (Mesa's are burnt in), new PSUs, etc. The aircraft condition is a big difference when you look at it. Its probably cheaper (and better for OO) to work out a deal with BBD for some of the newest CR9s with the new Atmosphere interior. BBD would more than be willing to give a good deal for an order of that size.
 
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Re: Mesa Air Group files for IPO

Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:25 pm

alasizon wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

I can't foresee Skywest Inc wanting to acquire YV as the aircraft MX doesn't stand up to Inc's standards. They would likely be willing to hire the pilots and take over the contracts by replacing them with planes of their own but it would take a lot for Inc to acquire YV's aircraft.

That being said, rumor has it that YV is looking for a takeover by someone. Maybe they will combine with EV and then UA will purchase the combined carrier for their wholly owned. The AA flying would have to be divested but I see no reason that OO wouldn't be willing to take over that flying.


How much work realistically would take to bring the CR9 & E175 to "OO Standards"? I cant seeing it being that much work assuming YV mx records are in order.


Honestly, a lot more than you would think. Years of neglect leads to extremely worn parts and OO has a focus on fixing problems, Mesa has a focus on patching the aircraft up using NEFs/CDLs/MELs to get it through as long as they can. I've never seen a Mesa engine pass boroscope inspection. It would probably take all new engines, new interiors, new cockpit screens (Mesa's are burnt in), new PSUs, etc. The aircraft condition is a big difference when you look at it. Its probably cheaper (and better for OO) to work out a deal with BBD for some of the newest CR9s with the new Atmosphere interior. BBD would more than be willing to give a good deal for an order of that size.


That's very interesting. I see that airline's maintenance programs are not created equal. So YV does the minimum maintenance required is keep the birds airborne.Not bad but not all that good either. I still think Skywest should still look into acquiring Mesa. Skywest is already is #1 regional carrier at UA acquiring Mesa would just solidify that position. At AA, Skywest is currently the #5 with Mesa they would the #3.

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