It is reported, that Ryanair flight FR7312 from Dublin to Zadar lost cabin pressure and diverted to Hahn (HHN).

Source BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44832235

Source German T-ONLINE: http://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/id_84110740/ryanair-flieger-muss-in-frankfurt-hahn-notlanden-33-passagiere-in-klinik.html

It is reported, that 189 pax were on board and 33 had to go to hospital after landing.

Quote from BBC:

Flight FR7312 from Dublin to Zadar made an emergency landing in Frankfurt. (Editor's note: HHN to be more precise, not FRA)

The airline said oxygen masks were deployed and the crew carried out a "controlled descent".

The plane descended 8,000m (26,000ft) from 11,300m to 3,000m in seven minutes, according to Flight Radar.

According to Michael O'Leary, Ryanair CEO, reducing air pressure will allow the company to save "significant amount of money". "You don't expect oxygen in the hospital to be free, so why should it be on an airplane?" Mr.O'Leary said at dinner, eating a panda steak off a palladium plate.

Dozens hurt as Ryanair flight loses cabin pressure - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44832235

"Passengers also criticised their treatment once they had landed, saying they had not been given enough food and drink and had been forced to sleep on a concrete basement floor or on camp beds."

Why is there blood? Is that normal?

SuseJ772 wrote:

Why is there blood? Is that normal?

Depends on the severity of the decompression is what I was taught in flight physiology class. We were told it only happens in more severe cases.

SuseJ772 wrote:

Why is there blood? Is that normal?

Possibly a nosebleed from the pressure change.

SuseJ772 wrote:

Why is there blood? Is that normal?

Yes. Keep in mind the cabin gets freezing cold and the air has no moister in it.

Can also suffer from a pulmonary or arterial embolism, though unlikely in the mid 30's. More of a threat to bizjets in the mid 40's and above.

Seabear wrote:

"Passengers also criticised their treatment once they had landed, saying they had not been given enough food and drink and had been forced to sleep on a concrete basement floor or on camp beds."

I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you.

I know Ryanair get bad press and I know they successfully work in a low cost sector, but ....

when things go pair shaped you do not want to be with them, as they have no real contingency plans.

I'd rather pay a bit more, call it insurance.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
You pay your money and you make your choices.

Monkeys, peanuts and LCC success. The eternal triangle

BREECH wrote:

According to Michael O'Leary, Ryanair CEO, reducing air pressure will allow the company to save "significant amount of money". "You don't expect oxygen in the hospital to be free, so why should it be on an airplane?" Mr.O'Leary said at dinner, eating a panda steak off a palladium plate.

You do expect it to be free in Hospitals in the UK...

it's disgusting how they managed to sprinkle some smokers' hate in the article despite the event not being connected in any way

Well done to the pilot and crew, good to hear everyone’s safe

BlueberryWheats wrote:

SuseJ772 wrote:

Why is there blood? Is that normal?

Possibly a nosebleed from the pressure change.

There were some ruptured eardrums reported as well. That would really, really suck.

zakelwe wrote:

I know Ryanair get bad press and I know they successfully work in a low cost sector, but ....

when things go pair shaped you do not want to be with them, as they have no real contingency plans.

I'd rather pay a bit more, call it insurance.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
You pay your money and you make your choices.

Monkeys, peanuts and LCC success. The eternal triangle

yet another media beat up. Many journos fly legacies airlines, either cos they are not paying, or they are flying free (in return for +ve coverage)

& what would any other airline do if there's no rooms anywhere nearby ?

aerolimani wrote:

BlueberryWheats wrote:

SuseJ772 wrote:

Why is there blood? Is that normal?

Possibly a nosebleed from the pressure change.

There were some ruptured eardrums reported as well. That would really, really suck.

Every airline if they lose cabin pressure needs to descend fast.

I think the talk of medical issues, is exaggerated with the view to getting some sort of dodgy compensation.

flyaustralian12 wrote:

aerolimani wrote:

BlueberryWheats wrote:

Possibly a nosebleed from the pressure change.

There were some ruptured eardrums reported as well. That would really, really suck.

Every airline if they lose cabin pressure needs to descend fast.

I think the talk of medical issues, is exaggerated with the view to getting some sort of dodgy compensation.

That looked like real blood to me. In an emergency the rate of descent can be more extreme causing more injuries. Plenty of other similar events have occured without such injuries being reported. Ryan Air makes a healthy profit. They offer budget service for a budget price. That doesn't include sitting on the floor of the plane nor should it include sleeping on a concrete floor in an emergency.

afgeneral wrote:

it's disgusting how they managed to sprinkle some smokers' hate in the article despite the event not being connected in any way

Both incidents involved rapid emergency descent and occurred only days apart. I doubt that there was any “smokers’ hate” involved here and you’re just pointing your personal frustration in the wrong direction.

Looks like Ryanair is saving money by phasing out cabin pressure. How is this airline still in business?

Super80Fan wrote:

Looks like Ryanair is saving money by phasing out cabin pressure. How is this airline still in business?

Because cheap people exist in frightening quantities.

afgeneral wrote:

it's disgusting how they managed to sprinkle some smokers' hate in the article despite the event not being connected in any way

There you go on that bandwagon again. Give it up. Anything that revolting that also causes cancer and tons of other problems deserves to be hated.

Super80Fan wrote:

Looks like Ryanair is saving money by phasing out cabin pressure. How is this airline still in business?

Because it carries 100 million people safetly, for a reasonable price on newish aircraft with good on time performance. It's a shame about this incident but let's remember the 2000+ other flights that day operated by Ryanair which experienced no issues like most of the other 364 days a year that Ryanair operate.

They landed at Hahn Airport, in the boonies nowhere near Frankfurt. Accommodating 189 passengers in Hotels requires some knowledge of the local handlig Agent, 3 or 4 busses for a 45 to 60 Minute journes to Mainz Hotels between Trier and Koblenz.
No Need to sleep on concrete flors, but then, the passengers haven't paid for that.

Bhoy wrote:

You do expect it to be free in Hospitals in the UK...

I do. And it is! At least until you-know-who kills the NHS.

Frustrating hearing the US news reporting "The Ryanair plane plunged thousands of feet and suffered loss of cabin pressure". Not quite the right cause and effect pairing - Loss of cabin pressure then rapid decent - SOP.

Then passengers complaining that they were not being told what to do during the incident -Next time pay attention to the pre-flight briefing - "Pull the mask towards you, place it over your nose and mouth and continue to breath normally. The bag may not inflate but oxygen will continue to flow".

Ryanair as usual left the passengers alone, they eve had to pay the Hospital bill out of their pockets- Some got an offer to go by chartered bus to Zadar. That is the real scandal.

FrmrKSEngr wrote:

Then passengers complaining that they were not being told what to do during the incident -Next time pay attention to the pre-flight briefing - "Pull the mask towards you, place it over your nose and mouth and continue to breath normally. The bag may not inflate but oxygen will continue to flow".

1) Never ever heard the "The bag may not inflate..." part before.

2) What they really don't tell you during the safety briefing is, that it is highly recommended to do a decompression during the rapid decent (hold your nose and breathe against your ear drums). Most a-netters as aviation geeks and frequent flyers know this but on Ryanair I expect several pax, who doesn't know this.

Some people here are really dumb as hell...

This was a normal accident. It could have happened on every other airline and also has happened with many airlines including major network carriers. I'm usually only flying OneWorld airlines, and probably take Ryanair once a year tops and also I'm not associated with them, so I have no reason to defend them, but you armchair experts here on a.net blow everything with LCCs out of proportion. Ryanair is Europes largest airline, has a fabolous safety record and the pilots handled the incident according to their SOPs which are similar to most other airlines.

So just to point out other "loss of cabin pressure & rapid descend" incidents of major airlines:
- 2018, ANA: http://avherald.com/h?article=4ba6855e&opt=0
- 2017, British Airways: http://avherald.com/h?article=4a858c16&opt=0
- 2017, United: http://avherald.com/h?article=4ad5f83d&opt=0
- 2010, American Airlines: http://avherald.com/h?article=432c6391
- And many more if you search for terms like "cabin pressure" on AvHerald: http://avherald.com/h?search_term=cabin ... search.y=0


Regarding their handling of the stranded aircraft and letting the pax find their own accomodation: This is Ryanair. A ULCC. You know what you get when booking it and everyone knows how they are handling IROPS. That is why you get the massive, massive EU compensation according to EU261. All these pax probably get around 600€ or more. Try that anywhere else on the world.

And also that part about the hospital costs (as they landed in Germany): Every German hospital and doctor will treat emergency cases for free. They might ask for your insurance details afterwards to get the money back from your insurance. That is why you have it. As long as you can't get a verdict on Rynair for "physical injury resulting from negligence" (which is totally unlikely in such a case) there is no reason for Ryanair to pay you 1 Cent of your medical costs.

FrmrKSEngr wrote:

Frustrating hearing the US news reporting "The Ryanair plane plunged thousands of feet and suffered loss of cabin pressure". Not quite the right cause and effect pairing - Loss of cabin pressure then rapid decent - SOP.

Then passengers complaining that they were not being told what to do during the incident -Next time pay attention to the pre-flight briefing - "Pull the mask towards you, place it over your nose and mouth and continue to breath normally. The bag may not inflate but oxygen will continue to flow".

Thank you…

Heinkel wrote:

Never ever heard the "The bag may not inflate..." part before.

Standard with most airlines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoQwZ9BQ9Q

PanHAM wrote:

Ryanair as usual left the passengers alone, they eve had to pay the Hospital bill out of their pockets- Some got an offer to go by chartered bus to Zadar. That is the real scandal.

You get what you pay for. Live with it.

flyaustralian12 wrote:

yet another media beat up. Many journos fly legacies airlines, either cos they are not paying, or they are flying free (in return for +ve coverage)& what would any other airline do if there's no rooms anywhere nearby ?

EXACTLY. And it's not only the journalists who fly free or very cheap on the major airlines, it's also the politicians. And that then tells you a lot who the network carriers do their political lobbying. Also both, journalists and politicians, usually get the highest status cards for free.

The law may be dumb as hell but it does not make a difference between ULCC and Premium carruer. If a carrier signs a contract that carrier is obliged to fulfill that contract. That means carriage from A to B must be completed by air in due time and not by bus.
Mechanical faults can happen, even with the best maintenance but when passengers are injured the Airline has to pick up the medical costs. I am acutally against the 200/400/600 rule since the passengers pay that anyhow by an average surcharge added to the fare but on FR passengers pay that and don't get compensated.

All that is nothing new BTW, I had the pleasure in the late 60s to fly between Germany and Scotland severtimes per year and often missed the Connection at LHR. I always got the vouchers for bus, Hotel and melals.

Does not sound that dumb, does it?

CARST wrote:

Some people here are really dumb as hell...

Yeah, man, horrible! I'm replying to a post from one of them right now. Sad.

CARST wrote:

This was a normal accident.

Working for BP, aren't we?

And also that part about the hospital costs (as they landed in Germany): Every German hospital and doctor will treat emergency cases for free. They might ask for your insurance details afterwards to get the money back from your insurance. That is why you have it. As long as you can't get a verdict on Rynair for "physical injury resulting from negligence" (which is totally unlikely in such a case) there is no reason for Ryanair to pay you 1 Cent of your medical costs.

I was sick in Germany and stayed at the hospital for one week (in Hamburg, an infection), never paid nothing, but maybe because, as an european citizen, my sanitary card is valid as an insurance, paid by my Country.

FatCat wrote:

And also that part about the hospital costs (as they landed in Germany): Every German hospital and doctor will treat emergency cases for free. They might ask for your insurance details afterwards to get the money back from your insurance. That is why you have it. As long as you can't get a verdict on Rynair for "physical injury resulting from negligence" (which is totally unlikely in such a case) there is no reason for Ryanair to pay you 1 Cent of your medical costs.

I was sick in Germany and stayed at the hospital for one week (in Hamburg, an infection), never paid nothing, but maybe because, as an european citizen, my sanitary card is valid as an insurance, paid by my Country.

Being Irish myself living in Germany, I'm fairly sure what happened here. Irish people going on holiday to Croatia firstly wouldn't carry an EHIC on them (or at least the majority of them wouldn't unless they had a good reason to). The Irish health service is free at the point of use, so you don't usually carry insurance details with you unless you have private insurance, even then I'm fairly sure you don't have a card to prove you are with X insurer. In any case, the German hospitals wouldn't have treated someone for free with private Irish insurance. Someone with public insurance, is insured by default, ie you don't have a proof per se (in a similar way say as a British person will not have proof that they are entitled to free NHS care, they just are!).

So Paddy or Patricia turns up unexpectedly via Ryanair on German soil and the doc checks them out. Paddy and Patricia assume it's like Ireland and they get treated and sent on their way. As part of the process they are asked for their EHIC, which in Ireland, you will only get by visiting your GP and I guess paying a fee for the privilege. Whereas in Germany, it's simply integrated into your health insurance card, probably like many European countries no doubt.

It's a bit stingy of the hospital not to accept an EU passport as a proof given the circumstances, it's not like they wanted to end up in Germany, but then again Germany is fairly strict when it comes to health insurance and many other things. If they are unlucky, they might even get a bill for the ambulance ride.

It's much the same cultural reason as why Irish and British people associate passports primarily with travel abroad (to the point many people don't even have one), whereas on the continent they would be seen primarily as for identification purposes.

Sorry for getting all German about this

FrmrKSEngr wrote:

Frustrating hearing the US news reporting "The Ryanair plane plunged thousands of feet and suffered loss of cabin pressure". Not quite the right cause and effect pairing - Loss of cabin pressure then rapid decent - SOP.

Then passengers complaining that they were not being told what to do during the incident -Next time pay attention to the pre-flight briefing - "Pull the mask towards you, place it over your nose and mouth and continue to breath normally. The bag may not inflate but oxygen will continue to flow".

Then again, you see on the last WN incident (the engine one), there were people that did not know how to put their masks properly.

If people paid more attention to the safety instructions rather than playing on their phone, things would be muuch better.

dangerhere wrote:

FatCat wrote:

And also that part about the hospital costs (as they landed in Germany): Every German hospital and doctor will treat emergency cases for free. They might ask for your insurance details afterwards to get the money back from your insurance. That is why you have it. As long as you can't get a verdict on Rynair for "physical injury resulting from negligence" (which is totally unlikely in such a case) there is no reason for Ryanair to pay you 1 Cent of your medical costs.

I was sick in Germany and stayed at the hospital for one week (in Hamburg, an infection), never paid nothing, but maybe because, as an european citizen, my sanitary card is valid as an insurance, paid by my Country.

Being Irish myself living in Germany, I'm fairly sure what happened here. Irish people going on holiday to Croatia firstly wouldn't carry an EHIC on them (or at least the majority of them wouldn't unless they had a good reason to). The Irish health service is free at the point of use, so you don't usually carry insurance details with you unless you have private insurance, even then I'm fairly sure you don't have a card to prove you are with X insurer. In any case, the German hospitals wouldn't have treated someone for free with private Irish insurance. Someone with public insurance, is insured by default, ie you don't have a proof per se (in a similar way say as a British person will not have proof that they are entitled to free NHS care, they just are!).

So Paddy or Patricia turns up unexpectedly via Ryanair on German soil and the doc checks them out. Paddy and Patricia assume it's like Ireland and they get treated and sent on their way. As part of the process they are asked for their EHIC, which in Ireland, you will only get by visiting your GP and I guess paying a fee for the privilege. Whereas in Germany, it's simply integrated into your health insurance card, probably like many European countries no doubt.

It's a bit stingy of the hospital not to accept an EU passport as a proof given the circumstances, it's not like they wanted to end up in Germany, but then again Germany is fairly strict when it comes to health insurance and many other things. If they are unlucky, they might even get a bill for the ambulance ride.

It's much the same cultural reason as why Irish and British people associate passports primarily with travel abroad (to

the point many people don't even have one), whereas on the continent they would be seen primarily as for identification purposes.

Sorry for getting all German about this

Rubbish ...

The Irish health service isn’t NOT free a point of use , it’s €50 to see a Gp ,€150 plus for an ambulance

Every Irish person I know carries their EHIC religiously ... even going to the U.K.

zakelwe wrote:

I know Ryanair get bad press and I know they successfully work in a low cost sector, but ....

when things go pair shaped you do not want to be with them, as they have no real contingency plans.

I'd rather pay a bit more, call it insurance.

You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
You pay your money and you make your choices.

Monkeys, peanuts and LCC success. The eternal triangle

And yet they’re the safest airline flying and other airlines do exactly the same . Pay more for less if you want to but no thanks.....

Galwayman wrote:

dangerhere wrote:

FatCat wrote:

I was sick in Germany and stayed at the hospital for one week (in Hamburg, an infection), never paid nothing, but maybe because, as an european citizen, my sanitary card is valid as an insurance, paid by my Country.

Being Irish myself living in Germany, I'm fairly sure what happened here. Irish people going on holiday to Croatia firstly wouldn't carry an EHIC on them (or at least the majority of them wouldn't unless they had a good reason to). The Irish health service is free at the point of use, so you don't usually carry insurance details with you unless you have private insurance, even then I'm fairly sure you don't have a card to prove you are with X insurer. In any case, the German hospitals wouldn't have treated someone for free with private Irish insurance. Someone with public insurance, is insured by default, ie you don't have a proof per se (in a similar way say as a British person will not have proof that they are entitled to free NHS care, they just are!).

So Paddy or Patricia turns up unexpectedly via Ryanair on German soil and the doc checks them out. Paddy and Patricia assume it's like Ireland and they get treated and sent on their way. As part of the process they are asked for their EHIC, which in Ireland, you will only get by visiting your GP and I guess paying a fee for the privilege. Whereas in Germany, it's simply integrated into your health insurance card, probably like many European countries no doubt.

It's a bit stingy of the hospital not to accept an EU passport as a proof given the circumstances, it's not like they wanted to end up in Germany, but then again Germany is fairly strict when it comes to health insurance and many other things. If they are unlucky, they might even get a bill for the ambulance ride.

It's much the same cultural reason as why Irish and British people associate passports primarily with travel abroad (to

the point many people don't even have one), whereas on the continent they would be seen primarily as for identification purposes.

Sorry for getting all German about this

Rubbish ...

The Irish health service isn’t NOT free a point of use , it’s €50 to see a Gp ,€150 plus for an ambulance

Every Irish person I know carries their EHIC religiously ... even going to the U.K.

fair enough actually, I had overlooked these charges.

CARST wrote:

Some people here are really dumb as hell...

This was a normal accident. It could have happened on every other airline and also has happened with many airlines including major network carriers. I'm usually only flying OneWorld airlines, and probably take Ryanair once a year tops and also I'm not associated with them, so I have no reason to defend them, but you armchair experts here on a.net blow everything with LCCs out of proportion. Ryanair is Europes largest airline, has a fabolous safety record and the pilots handled the incident according to their SOPs which are similar to most other airlines.

So just to point out other "loss of cabin pressure & rapid descend" incidents of major airlines:
- 2018, ANA: http://avherald.com/h?article=4ba6855e&opt=0
- 2017, British Airways: http://avherald.com/h?article=4a858c16&opt=0
- 2017, United: http://avherald.com/h?article=4ad5f83d&opt=0
- 2010, American Airlines: http://avherald.com/h?article=432c6391
- And many more if you search for terms like "cabin pressure" on AvHerald: http://avherald.com/h?search_term=cabin ... search.y=0


Regarding their handling of the stranded aircraft and letting the pax find their own accomodation: This is Ryanair. A ULCC. You know what you get when booking it and everyone knows how they are handling IROPS. That is why you get the massive, massive EU compensation according to EU261. All these pax probably get around 600€ or more. Try that anywhere else on the world.

And also that part about the hospital costs (as they landed in Germany): Every German hospital and doctor will treat emergency cases for free. They might ask for your insurance details afterwards to get the money back from your insurance. That is why you have it. As long as you can't get a verdict on Rynair for "physical injury resulting from negligence" (which is totally unlikely in such a case) there is no reason for Ryanair to pay you 1 Cent of your medical costs.

FrmrKSEngr wrote:

Frustrating hearing the US news reporting "The Ryanair plane plunged thousands of feet and suffered loss of cabin pressure". Not quite the right cause and effect pairing - Loss of cabin pressure then rapid decent - SOP.

Then passengers complaining that they were not being told what to do during the incident -Next time pay attention to the pre-flight briefing - "Pull the mask towards you, place it over your nose and mouth and continue to breath normally. The bag may not inflate but oxygen will continue to flow".

Thank you…

Heinkel wrote:

Never ever heard the "The bag may not inflate..." part before.

Standard with most airlines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoQwZ9BQ9Q

PanHAM wrote:

Ryanair as usual left the passengers alone, they eve had to pay the Hospital bill out of their pockets- Some got an offer to go by chartered bus to Zadar. That is the real scandal.

You get what you pay for. Live with it.

flyaustralian12 wrote:

yet another media beat up. Many journos fly legacies airlines, either cos they are not paying, or they are flying free (in return for +ve coverage)& what would any other airline do if there's no rooms anywhere nearby ?

EXACTLY. And it's not only the journalists who fly free or very cheap on the major airlines, it's also the politicians. And that then tells you a lot who the network carriers do their political lobbying. Also both, journalists and politicians, usually get the highest status cards for free.

From the quotes, in this report, it looks like a very sudden decompression occurred. Also the bus was hired as injured passengers were medically advised not to fly for a week.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0714/978602-ryanair/