qf789 wrote:3 firms orders plus 2 options for undisclosed customer from Spain
https://twitter.com/AvGeekJames/status/ ... 1269474304
That must be Air Europa
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qf789 wrote:3 firms orders plus 2 options for undisclosed customer from Spain
https://twitter.com/AvGeekJames/status/ ... 1269474304
Flying-Tiger wrote:ATR has started early with its annoucements:
EWA Air for 2x ATR 72-600 (MoU)
Drukair for 1x ATR42-600 (firm)
Aurigny for 3x ATR72-600 (LoI)
Air Saint-Pierre for 1x ATR42-600 (MoU)
Air Botswana for 2x ATR72-600 (firm)
Italy Guardia di Finanza for 1x ATR72-600MP
N328KF wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Embraer in my opinion is the current winner of the show. They are doing really well right now.
This thought crossed my mind. I wonder how many of the orders were iffy until the Boeing/Embraer announcement. While there can legally be no cross-marketing, the Boeing deal undoubtedly gave customers a great deal more faith in the Embraer products.
Samrnpage wrote:N328KF wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Embraer in my opinion is the current winner of the show. They are doing really well right now.
This thought crossed my mind. I wonder how many of the orders were iffy until the Boeing/Embraer announcement. While there can legally be no cross-marketing, the Boeing deal undoubtedly gave customers a great deal more faith in the Embraer products.
I honestly thought Embraer would struggle with the A220 and the boeing tie up not really official yet. It must prove the trust airlines have in their products.
EMBSPBR wrote:So far, day 1 and day 2:
United Airlines: 25 E175-E1
Mauritania Airlines: 2 E175-E1
NAC - Nordic Aviation Capital: 3 E190-E1
Undisclosed customer from Spain: 3 E195-E2 + 2 options
Watanya Airways: 10 E195-E2 + 10 options
Helvetic: 12 E190-E2 + 12 options
Azul: 21 E195-E2
Republic: 100 E175-E1 + 100 options
Total: 176 firm orders ( 127 E1 + 46 E2 ) + 124 options ( 100 E1 + 24 E2 ) = 300 E-Jets
All orders combined worth US$ 15 billion.
iceberg210 wrote:
The mix of E1 to E2 might not be quite what they wanted but there are three things I see that are incredible boosts to the E2 where I think it's safe to say it's gone from treading water to a significantly better position.
First the 127 E1 orders ensure that Embraer can continue to run production at a high clip of somewhere around 100 a year which will help E2 pricing and availability. Especially given the production troubles of the competition this is an invaluable asset that I think will pay great dividends. The orders they received should be plenty to keep plowing ahead at a very competitive production rate and not fall into the production cut downward spiral that the A330 for example is currently struggling with.
lightsaber wrote:iceberg210 wrote:
The mix of E1 to E2 might not be quite what they wanted but there are three things I see that are incredible boosts to the E2 where I think it's safe to say it's gone from treading water to a significantly better position.
First the 127 E1 orders ensure that Embraer can continue to run production at a high clip of somewhere around 100 a year which will help E2 pricing and availability. Especially given the production troubles of the competition this is an invaluable asset that I think will pay great dividends. The orders they received should be plenty to keep plowing ahead at a very competitive production rate and not fall into the production cut downward spiral that the A330 for example is currently struggling with.
This si the most important aspect. The large quantity of E1 orders will allow Embraer time they didn't have before as well as economy of scale. Embraer has changed their fate.
This gives hope to land Spirit, United, Ethiopian, or Kenya (the known E2-195 vs. CS300 campaigns).
CRJ900X wrote:I know that Bombardier rarely does very well announcing orders at these shows, but will they not be able to have buyers for the CRJ or the Q400 aircraft lined up?
Anyone know if Bombardier has any press announcement scheduled for Wednesday?
If they cannot get even a few small orders for both programs that they still own, this will be an abysmal showing for them.
Hoping tomorrow holds some good deals to be released.
lightsaber wrote:iceberg210 wrote:
The mix of E1 to E2 might not be quite what they wanted but there are three things I see that are incredible boosts to the E2 where I think it's safe to say it's gone from treading water to a significantly better position.
First the 127 E1 orders ensure that Embraer can continue to run production at a high clip of somewhere around 100 a year which will help E2 pricing and availability. Especially given the production troubles of the competition this is an invaluable asset that I think will pay great dividends. The orders they received should be plenty to keep plowing ahead at a very competitive production rate and not fall into the production cut downward spiral that the A330 for example is currently struggling with.
This si the most important aspect. The large quantity of E1 orders will allow Embraer time they didn't have before as well as economy of scale. Embraer has changed their fate.
This gives hope to land Spirit, United, Ethiopian, or Kenya (the known E2-195 vs. CS300 campaigns).
PlanesNTrains wrote:Samrnpage wrote:N328KF wrote:
This thought crossed my mind. I wonder how many of the orders were iffy until the Boeing/Embraer announcement. While there can legally be no cross-marketing, the Boeing deal undoubtedly gave customers a great deal more faith in the Embraer products.
I honestly thought Embraer would struggle with the A220 and the boeing tie up not really official yet. It must prove the trust airlines have in their products.
True, but it also speaks to the lack of alternatives to the E175-E1. I’m thrilled to see 46 E2 orders, but am holding out for more.
Nean1 wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:Samrnpage wrote:
I honestly thought Embraer would struggle with the A220 and the boeing tie up not really official yet. It must prove the trust airlines have in their products.
True, but it also speaks to the lack of alternatives to the E175-E1. I’m thrilled to see 46 E2 orders, but am holding out for more.
PlanesNTrains,
There are several alternatives to the 175E1 in the US market: BBD CRJ-900 / Q400 , ATR-72 and Mitsubishi MRJ-70. What occurs is that the 175E1 is the most competitive, consistently receiving more than 70% of sales.
Nean1 wrote:PlanesNTrains wrote:Samrnpage wrote:
I honestly thought Embraer would struggle with the A220 and the boeing tie up not really official yet. It must prove the trust airlines have in their products.
True, but it also speaks to the lack of alternatives to the E175-E1. I’m thrilled to see 46 E2 orders, but am holding out for more.
PlanesNTrains,
There are several alternatives to the 175E1 in the US market: BBD CRJ-900 / Q400 , ATR-72 and Mitsubishi MRJ-70. What occurs is that the 175E1 is the most competitive, consistently receiving more than 70% of sales.
qf789 wrote:Embraer and Kenya Airways sign comprehensive spare parts support contract
qf789 wrote:Columbian based EasyFly has signed a MOU for 5 ATR-72
LJ wrote:Hokkaido Air System CO. signs a MoU for 2 ATR42-600 + 1 option
http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/pressrelease/hokkaido-air-system-co-ltd-signs-for-atr-42-600s-1500-en.html
leghorn wrote:
Firm order for 4 CRJ900 but I think these were already known.
baje427 wrote:Its kind of sad but expected that BBD has not announced any orders its unfortunate they could not hold onto the C Series but it is what it is.
Slug71 wrote:
Well BBD still owns 49.9% of the C-Series/A220. So technically, they did get orders. Plus the 4 CRJs so far.
trpmb6 wrote:Embraer in my opinion is the current winner of the show. They are doing really well right now.
kitplane01 wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Embraer in my opinion is the current winner of the show. They are doing really well right now.
That's not obvious. They are selling 127+100 of E1s, and only 46+24 E2s. Make you worry about the E2, and therefore Embraer.
musman9853 wrote:kitplane01 wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Embraer in my opinion is the current winner of the show. They are doing really well right now.
That's not obvious. They are selling 127+100 of E1s, and only 46+24 E2s. Make you worry about the E2, and therefore Embraer.
There's enough e1 orders that they can bide their time and get e2 orders.
EMBSPBR wrote:According to 2T18 results released today:
Source: https://ri.embraer.com.br/listresultado ... bNAc2ESQ==
E2 order book up to June 30, 2018:
E175-E2:
- firm orders: 100
- options: 100
E190-E2:
- firm orders: 50
- options: 72
E195-E2:
- firm orders: 80
- options: 65
Total: firm orders 230 + 237 options = 467.
Farnborough 2018 sales:
Undisclosed customer from Spain: 3 E195-E2 + 2 options
Watanya Airways: 10 E195-E2 + 10 options
Helvetic: 12 E190-E2 + 12 options
Azul: 21 E195-E2
So, the latest numbers are:
E175-E2:
- firm orders: 100
- options: 100
E190-E2:
- firm orders: 62
- options: 84
E195-E2:
- firm orders: 114
- options: 77
Total: firm orders 276 + 261 options = 537.
lightsaber wrote:Unfortunately I the 100 E2-175 orders are what is called a ghost order. Unless DALPA opens scope clauses, contegencies will be excercised and the order will be voided.
So only 176 real firm orders. Sorry. I want Pratt to sell more engines, so I root for the E2. I just believe the one competitive plane is the E2-195, with E2-190s to be bought for gauge management.
iceberg210 wrote:What's the time line for the next scope discussions because I'm guessing shortly after it's confirmed that scope won't be relaxed (which is probably what will happen) the 175E2 will be cancelled or announced a redesign. (MRJ is too far down the road to chagne focus I'm assuming).
trpmb6 wrote:musman9853 wrote:kitplane01 wrote:
That's not obvious. They are selling 127+100 of E1s, and only 46+24 E2s. Make you worry about the E2, and therefore Embraer.
There's enough e1 orders that they can bide their time and get e2 orders.
Yeah.. Saying that makes you worry about the E2 and Embraer is like saying "well airbus is selling the A321 but man that A330neo isn't doing well and going to sink the company"
Embraer had a strong airshow. Very strong.
musman9853 wrote:kitplane01 wrote:trpmb6 wrote:Embraer in my opinion is the current winner of the show. They are doing really well right now.
That's not obvious. They are selling 127+100 of E1s, and only 46+24 E2s. Make you worry about the E2, and therefore Embraer.
There's enough e1 orders that they can bide their time and get e2 orders.