Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

AndyEastMids · Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:39 am

C Series 300 prototype C-FFDO has just left the paint shop at East Midlands (EGNX) bound for Tolouse in Airbus house colours - titles are A220 on the tail and A220-300 on the forward fuselage.

timpdx · Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:43 am

Ok, very interesting. Wasting no time bringing the C-Series into the Airbus family.

LTenEleven · Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:47 am

downdata · Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:49 am

I wonder how Boeing will rename the ejets after the merger with Embraer. B616/B636?

LTenEleven · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:01 am

N14AZ · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:03 am

AndyEastMids wrote:
C Series 300 prototype C-FFDO has just left the paint shop at East Midlands (EGNX) bound for Tolouse in Airbus house colours - titles are A220 on the tail and A220-300 on the forward fuselage.

Wow, thanks for that information.

MrBren · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:12 am

There is a live event in TLS at 10.30 GMT as per the Airbus twitter.

Someone83 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:15 am

Is there a planned press conference or any other sermony today or before next week's Farnborough?

MrBren · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:17 am

Flight tracking: https://www.flightradar24.com/BBA5O8/1d1288aa

AndyEastMids · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:20 am

Should be at LFBO around 12:00 French time

ro1960 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:24 am

Someone83 wrote:
Is there a planned press conference or any other sermony today or before next week's Farnborough?

Is a "sermony" a sermon given at a ceremony?

ro1960 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:26 am

AndyEastMids wrote:
C Series 300 prototype C-FFDO has just left the paint shop at East Midlands (EGNX) bound for Tolouse in Airbus house colours - titles are A220 on the tail and A220-300 on the forward fuselage.

Thanks for the info. It confirms the rumors from the past days.

So Boeing 636 is next?

Aviaponcho · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:34 am

Bring back the 377 !

Bricktop · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:45 am

So BCS1 = A221 and BCS3 = A223? A225 is already taken though.

mat66 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:53 am

Do we know for sure the cs100 will be A220-100? To me A219(-100) would make a lot more sense.
CS500 -> A221(-500)

frigatebird · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:54 am

ro1960 wrote:
AndyEastMids wrote:
C Series 300 prototype C-FFDO has just left the paint shop at East Midlands (EGNX) bound for Tolouse in Airbus house colours - titles are A220 on the tail and A220-300 on the forward fuselage.

Thanks for the info. It confirms the rumors from the past days.

So Boeing 636 is next?

Well, the rumor of a rebranding is now confirmed, although it was assumed it would be A210 for the CS100 and A230 for the CS300.
I have to say A220-300 for the CS300 and A220-100 for the CS100 makes a lot of sense though. Smaller (step)sister to the A320, with two variants: a base model and a shrink.

Regarding the Boeing/Embraer tie-up, I thought the E-jets were still to be marketed as Embraers? Or have I missed something?

leghorn · Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:58 am

Buy in the Q400, brand it an A120. launch clean sheet design entering service in 10 to 12 years and then they'll have covered everything from 50 thru 75, 100 seat all the way up to 500 seater VLAs.
Airbus; your one stop shop for freight and passenger aircraft.

ZKNCL · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:01 am

downdata wrote:
I wonder how Boeing will rename the ejets after the merger with Embraer. B616/B636?

ro1960 wrote:
So Boeing 636 is next?

Boeing planes even outside of the 7x7 series have traditionally ended with a 7.

ro1960 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:02 am

frigatebird wrote:
ro1960 wrote:

Thanks for the info. It confirms the rumors from the past days.

So Boeing 636 is next?

Regarding the Boeing/Embraer tie-up, I thought the E-jets were still to be marketed as Embraers? Or have I missed something?

I was just joking. I haven't heard anything about that. It's still a bit early for Boeing to make any kind of announcement regarding name change.

frigatebird · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:05 am

Bricktop wrote:
So BCS1 = A221 and BCS3 = A223? A225 is already taken though.

Well that rules out a further stretch model and should quieten all rumors of that kind! :rotfl:

Seriously, if a stretch model of the A220-300 is launched, it could be named A220-400. Or -600, Airbus seems to like that one

Hopefully not -800, the so called lucky number 8 is quite the opposite! (A380-800, 787-8, 747-8, A330-800 - none have proven to be a success).
But you can have an A220-500 and code it A22V (like 78X or A35K).

skipness1E · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:10 am

I wonder if it'll ever be known by the Airbus nomenclature or remain forever as the C Series, the 717 was really just an MD95.

planecane · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:12 am

frigatebird wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
So BCS1 = A221 and BCS3 = A223? A225 is already taken though.

Well that rules out a further stretch model and should quieten all rumors of that kind!
Seriously, if a stretch model of the A220-300 is launched, it could be named A220-400. Or -600, Airbus seems to like that one Hopefully not -800, the so called lucky number 8 is quite the opposite! (A380-800, 787-8, 747-8, A330-800 - none have proven to be a success).
But you can have an A220-500 and code it A22V (like 78X or A35K).

Maybe not a great financial success and was late but I think 443 orders makes the 787-8 different than the other "8" models you mentioned.

I don't think the number 8 or any model name has anything to do with success or failure. The customers are airlines with teams of analysts, not consumers buying the latest iPhone.

LupineChemist · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:13 am

Yeah, Airbus has a bit of a mess going with -X00 for the widebodies and A318-321 for the narrow bodies.

Regardless, I think CS1 becoming A219 would make a lot more sense and an eventual CS5 becoming the A221 would make a lot of sense, too.

TurboJet707 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:19 am

ZKNCL wrote:
Boeing planes even outside of the 7x7 series have traditionally ended with a 7.

Except, of course, the B720.

I think it's a shame the name "Bombardier C-Series" disappears. Good that Airbus saved the programme by stepping in, and the A220 will remain the same good-looking little plane as the CS, but still... It was nice and refreshing to see something else than just Boeings and Airbuses.

gtargui · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:20 am

Will airlines put "Airbus A220-100" on their websites when booking tickets or keep it as Bombardier CS 100?
What about airlines who haven't received any deliveries?

Someone83 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:22 am

gtargui wrote:
Will airlines put "Airbus A220-100" on their websites when booking tickets or keep it as Bombardier CS 100?
What about airlines who haven't received any deliveries?

Also, will the IATA and ICAO codes change?

dodoma · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:23 am

A220-300 already loaded into Flightradar's system

https://twitter.com/JTGenter/status/1016625207749107712

cougar15 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:28 am

leghorn wrote:
Buy in the Q400, brand it an A120. launch clean sheet design entering service in 10 to 12 years and then they'll have covered everything from 50 thru 75, 100 seat all the way up to 500 seater VLAs.
Airbus; your one stop shop for freight and passenger aircraft.

Are you not forgetting the ´home product´ here, the ATR...….? Fuel costs will rise again!

FatCat · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:31 am

frigatebird wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
So BCS1 = A221 and BCS3 = A223? A225 is already taken though.

Well that rules out a further stretch model and should quieten all rumors of that kind!
Seriously, if a stretch model of the A220-300 is launched, it could be named A220-400. Or -600, Airbus seems to like that one Hopefully not -800, the so called lucky number 8 is quite the opposite! (A380-800, 787-8, 747-8, A330-800 - none have proven to be a success).
But you can have an A220-500 and code it A22V (like 78X or A35K).

787-800 imho not an unlucky plane...
737-800 a great success indeed... as MAX8...
380-800 very successful in his market...
747-8 not bad... given the end of VLAs
777-800 and 330-800 maybe unlucky for real... but as VLAs era is over maybe the 777-800 will outclass the -900 in sales?

Anyway I do prefer a mathematic progression... from 100 and so on...

FlyRow · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:32 am

If the A320-serie could take the window's and litle screens from the A220/CS-serie

Flyglobal · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:32 am

I think the Name is well Chosen.
The A220 is a reference to the A320 - the smaller brother/ sister. The -100 and -300 represents the CS origin.

Flyglobal

fabian9 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:36 am

Just landed into LFBO.

Edit: or not - looks like it’s doing a touch and go.

Flyglobal · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:39 am

Picture in Flightradar 24 is wrong - obviously ( ok I give credit of course).

But just now heading to Toulouse Airport after some Loops offsite.

Flyglobal

enilria · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:40 am

Too much baggage for the A210 or A218! Lol

Boeing’s equivalent would be the 637.

Flyglobal · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:43 am

Not landed

leghorn · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:47 am

cougar15 wrote:
leghorn wrote:
Buy in the Q400, brand it an A120. launch clean sheet design ent
ering service in 10 to 12 years and then they'll have covered everything from 50 thru 75, 100 seat all the way up to 500 seater VLAs.
Airbus; your one stop shop for freight and passenger aircraft.

Are you not forgetting the ´home product´ here, the ATR...….? Fuel costs will rise again!

ATR not forgotten. merge ATR and Q400 in 10 to 12 years time on the clean sheet design. There is enough work to go around.

817Dreamliiner · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:49 am

First proper photo of the A220:

C-FFDO Airbus A220 ex CS300 by @Eurospot, on Flickr

dodoma · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:53 am

I find it very interesting that the A220 is lacking the "racoon mask"... Would have looked better IMO

Flyglobal · Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:55 am

enilria wrote:
Too much baggage for the A210 or A218! Lol

Boeing’s equivalent would be the 637.

537 for the 4 Abrest E2s, Keep 637 as a reserve for a potential 5 abrest Body.

Flyglobal

TUGMASTER · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:01 am

Cool....
So only 8 CS100’s built....very rare frame now.
DL I preseume will recieve either the A219-100 or the A220-100 , or whatever it’s likley to be called.

Samrnpage · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:04 am

I like the new name - I hope they dont go for A219 for the CS100 as it implies it wont sell well. I hope its the A220-100/300

dazwalsh · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:09 am

That thing looks awesome in the airbus house colours

O530CarrisPT · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:12 am

Flyglobal wrote:
enilria wrote:
Too much baggage for the A210 or A218! Lol

Boeing’s equivalent would be the 637.

537 for the 4 Abrest E2s, Keep 637 as a reserve for a potential 5 abrest Body.

Flyglobal

I'd rather rename the E2 as the Boeing 710 (instead of 537, since 5xx was the designation of Boeing for the turbine engines they produced in the past) and the potential 5-abreast NB Boeing-Embraer as the Boeing 730 (instead of 637, since 6xx was used by Boeing to number rocket and missile models).

Anyways, I like the way Airbus renamed the CSeries (it is a nod to the A320 series, although it doesn't follow the way the A320 sub models are named).

OzarkD9S · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 am

dazwalsh wrote:

That thing looks awesome in the airbus house colours

Is it just me or do the house colors make it look more like a "real" Airbus and a lot less Bombardier?

PM · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 am

817Dreamliiner wrote:
First proper photo of the A220:C-FFDO Airbus A220 ex CS300 by @Eurospot, on Flickr

LOVE it!!!

cougar15 · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 am

dodoma wrote:
I find it very interesting that the A220 is lacking the "racoon mask"... Would have looked better IMO

… not!!!

LewisNEO · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:14 am

ro1960 wrote:
AndyEastMids wrote:
C Series 300 prototype C-FFDO has just left the paint shop at East Midlands (EGNX) bound for Tolouse in Airbus house colours - titles are A220 on the tail and A220-300 on the forward fuselage.

Thanks for the info. It confirms the rumors from the past days.

So Boeing 636 is next?

Or 666

Bostrom · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:17 am

An official video from the event in Toulouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Upl5JNpAc

kalvado · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:17 am

downdata wrote:
I wonder how Boeing will rename the ejets after the merger with Embraer. B616/B636?

Embraer 237, 277 and 287 sounds cool as well..

frigatebird · Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:19 am

dodoma wrote:
I find it very interesting that the A220 is lacking the "racoon mask"... Would have looked better IMO

I'm very pleased it doesn't have the 'racoon mask'. On the A350 it's ok as long as the tube is white. With other non-white liveries like QR and VN it looks unnecessary. On the A330neo it looks plain silly IMO.

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