Australian Aviation Thread - July 2018

planemanofnz · Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:49 am

tullamarine wrote:
Travel to Cook Islands may be booming from NZ but it is still very much an expensive to get to backwater from AU. It is a long way given Bali, Fiji, Noumea and Vanuatu are all closer. It requires a transit in AKL so it actually takes longer to get to than Hawaii and just a bit less than Tahiti. The flight times were always pretty dreadful with the return flight requiring a 3 hour stop in AKL in the middle of the night.

Actually, NZ offers seasonal non-stop SYD - RAR flights, which, if you check the BITRE figures for, you'll see are doing exceedingly well.

Australian tourism to the Cooks grew by about 9% in the past 12 months alone. It's a growing market, which VA has been in for a while.

The Cooks are relatively inexpensive compared to places such as Hawaii / Tahiti / Fiji, and a shorter non-stop flight than the former two.

Cheers,

C.

planemanofnz · Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:51 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that VA, rather than TT, launching this route is incredibly telling!

I can't help but think that TT would be more suited to NTL - AKL - for example, is VA's Business Class really needed?

Cheers,

C.

Qantas16 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:55 am

qf789 wrote:
China Southern CAN-ADL will operate between 5 weekly and daily for NW18/19

28 Oct – 9 Dec: 5 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300
10 Dec - 6 Jan: Daily flights. Aircraft: A330-300
7 Jan -27 Jan: 5 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300
28 Jan - 17 Feb: Daily flights. Aircraft: A330-300
18 Feb -24 Feb: 6 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300
25 Feb ongoing: 5 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300

http://tourism.sa.gov.au/news-and-media ... o-adelaide

Given CZ is building ADL to daily over summer, I'm surprised we haven't seen any expansion at BNE for a few years, particularly over peak periods. Whilst CZ faces more competition at BNE with MU, HU and CA, they are the most established mainland Chinese carrier at BNE. An additional 3x weekly flight with a ~10pm departure ex BNE (similar to SYD/MEL 2nd daily) would also be a much better connection to CAN-LHR service... BNE has the gate space available though check-in facilities can be pretty congested at that time (depending on the day).

PA515 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:02 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Actually, NZ offers seasonal non-stop SYD - RAR flights, which, if you check the BITRE figures for, you'll see are doing exceedingly well.

Air NZ's Thu RAR-SYD, Fri SYD-RAR is all year.

PA515

planemanofnz · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:33 am

PA515 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Actually, NZ offers seasonal non-stop SYD - RAR flights, which, if you check the BITRE figures for, you'll see are doing exceedingly well.

Air NZ's Thu RAR-SYD, Fri SYD-RAR is all year.

There you go - you learn something new each day!

tullamarine wrote:
Cook Islands ... It is a long way given Bali ... closer.

Really? It's actually looking pretty equal in timings:

SYD - DPS: 6 h 45 min
SYD - RAR: 7 h 05 min

DPS - SYD: 6 h 00 min
RAR - SYD: 5 h 45 min

Cheers,

C.

zkncj · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:48 am

planemanofnz wrote:
ben175 wrote:
HBA-AKL.

I think that this just became a whole lot more likely, for two reasons:

1. If NTL - AKL goes well, VA will have more confidence to launch more secondary routes (either itself, or with its TT subsidiary)
2. NZ will not be happy with this, and may want to stop VA from further undermining connections, by launching HBA - AKL itself

However, if NTL - AKL fails, then that may hinder HBA - AKL's odds.

Cheers,

C.

Hopefully NZ isn't allowed to pull there normal tricks to try remove the competition from an route, next thing we know it NZ will be putting an A321NEO into NTL until VA drops followed by NZ droping it.

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:26 am

CA's CTU-SYD will see an aircraft change from 1 Dec 18 from A333 to high density A332

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:56 am

downdata wrote:
777ER wrote:
Im more interested in announcements of TT entering the Tasman routes. THAT will be a big shake up for the routes with competition (mainly AKL, WLG, CHC and ZQN) on routes TT serves.

I'm literally itching for announcements and getting inpatient now.

Eh... I doubt TT is in any shape to open a new base in AKL until they sort out their crewing/training issues in AU. Look at the progress (or lack thereof) for the fleet transition to 737NG that is suppose to be completed by July 2019!

Given that TT was to get 737's when VA mainline gets the MAX its unlikely that they wont be all 737 until the end of next year at the earliest, not to mention the current A320's for TT are leased so this needs to factored in as well. I am also of the opinion that VARA could take 1-2 more A320's

tullamarine · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:16 am

PA515 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Actually, NZ offers seasonal non-stop SYD - RAR flights, which, if you check the BITRE figures for, you'll see are doing exceedingly well.

Air NZ's Thu RAR-SYD, Fri SYD-RAR is all year.

PA515

You're right, one direct flight a week; RAR is going amazingly well from AU. That is not even a statistical blip. Seriously, Cook Islands is a lovely place but it's not top of mind for AU travellers and never will be. I still believe VA will eventually pull out of serving AKL-RAR; it makes no sense.

oskarclare · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:21 am

Qantas16 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
China Southern CAN-ADL will operate between 5 weekly and daily for NW18/19

28 Oct – 9 Dec: 5 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300
10 Dec - 6 Jan: Daily flights. Aircraft: A330-300
7 Jan -27 Jan: 5 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300
28 Jan - 17 Feb: Daily flights. Aircraft: A330-300
18 Feb -24 Feb: 6 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300
25 Feb ongoing: 5 flights per week. Aircraft: A330-300

http://tourism.sa.gov.au/news-and-media ... o-adelaide

Given CZ is building ADL to daily over summer, I'm surprised we haven't seen any expansion at BNE for a few years, particularly over peak periods. Whilst CZ faces more competition at BNE with MU, HU and CA, they are the most established mainland Chinese carrier at BNE. An additional 3x weekly flight with a ~10pm departure ex BNE (similar to SYD/MEL 2nd daily) would also be a much better connection to CAN-LHR service... BNE has the gate space available though check-in facilities can be pretty congested at that time (depending on the day).

I am surprised as well. The load factor for BNE during the summer months is around 90%+ inbound and around 88-90% outbound. Throughout the year as well mid-high 80's are also seen almost every month. BNE is doing pretty well for CZ but they never say anything about BNE which again surprises me. I'm sure an extra 3-4 weekly flight would easily work in the summer months if not year round IMO.

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:55 am

AirAsia X is offering its new KUL-AVV service from 5 Dec 18 at $150 return including taxes

https://blueswandaily.com/airasia-x-low ... to-avalon/

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:26 pm

Both EY and HU have named alternate directors for the VA board

https://blueswandaily.com/virgin-austra ... d-and-hna/

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:31 pm

Now that NTL-AKL has been announced, Newcastle Airport now has its eye on an international service to SE Asia such as SIN, DPS or KUL

https://blueswandaily.com/newcastle-air ... s-to-asia/

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:40 pm

Qantas under fire from Mount Isa residents for 2 incidents onboard Alliance aircraft operating on behalf of QantasLink

The first an engine failure causing the aircraft to divert to Longreach

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-16/e ... ys/9999502

The second being operating a flight on Sunday ISA-BNE with no working toilets

https://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/st ... he-toilet/

F100Flyer · Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:02 pm

Looks like Garuda have quietly downgauged their DPS-PER service from A333 to 738. Not sure if it’s on a seasonal basis though, but the next weeks worth of flights appearing as 738.

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:15 pm

Looks like there are 2 QF1's to LHR tonight, as Tuesday's QF SYD-SIN-LHR was delayed 24 hours

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:25 pm

MH134 BNE-KUL has returned to BNE, runway 1/19 will be closed for the next 20 minutes while the aircraft is removed from the runway

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 2156763136

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:49 pm

Due to BNE runway closure EK432 SIN-BNE has diverted to MEL

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 3913973760

moa999 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:20 pm

That's an ugly diversion, brought on by the lack of 24hr ops at our airports.

You would've thought a splash and go at OOL or WTB might have been better or even CNS but I guess EK has no support at those locations.

9MMPD · Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:11 pm

F100Flyer wrote:
Looks like Garuda have quietly downgauged their DPS-PER service from A333 to 738. Not sure if it’s on a seasonal basis though, but the next weeks worth of flights appearing as 738.

Nothing to panic about it’s just the usual season down gauge. The Airbus will be back for the next round of school holidays and peak season.

Qantas16 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:39 pm

moa999 wrote:
That's an ugly diversion, brought on by the lack of 24hr ops at our airports.

You would've thought a splash and go at OOL or WTB might have been better or even CNS but I guess EK has no support at those locations.

CNS is further from BNE than MEL is (just). They wouldn't have been able to file OOL as an alternate due to the curfew and WTB would have been completely empty. Not sure about crew hours as well, so MEL is definitely the best available option!

Qantas16 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:48 pm

qf789 wrote:
MH134 BNE-KUL has returned to BNE, runway 1/19 will be closed for the next 20 minutes while the aircraft is removed from the runway

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 2156763136

This will get a lot of local media attention and is definitely not what MH needed for a ~1 month old route...

zkncj · Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:50 pm

qf789 wrote:
Now that NTL-AKL has been announced, Newcastle Airport now has its eye on an international service to SE Asia such as SIN, DPS or KUL

https://blueswandaily.com/newcastle-air ... s-to-asia/

Assuming that with Tasman only flights the customs and quarantine setup can be an bit more relaxed than if it was for SE Asia flights, of course customs and quarantine will still be required but would be allot less for an single A320/738 from New Zealand?

How big is the setup in MCY for the NZ flights from AKL?

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:12 pm

MH to use A359 o MH123/122 rotation to SYD from 1 Sep except certain dates

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 49895?s=21

c933103 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:16 pm

On certain Chinese forum, I read that a 737 Max 8 flight from Southern China to Australia with flight time longer than 7 hours will be launched. (Not SZX-DRW which only have ~5 hours flight time). If it is true then which route would it be?

qf789 · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:51 pm

Qantas next 789 VH-ZNF will roll out of final assembly tomorrow

sq256 · Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:06 am

c933103 wrote:
On certain Chinese forum, I read that a 737 Max 8 flight from Southern China to Australia with flight time longer than 7 hours will be launched. (Not SZX-DRW which only have ~5 hours flight time). If it is true then which route would it be?

CNS? That's probably the the most northern point city that's not DRW.

MooLor · Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:12 am

qf789 wrote:
MH to use A359 o MH123/122 rotation to SYD from 1 Sep except certain dates

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 49895?s=21

I wonder will they stick with the current temporary A380 on those 'certain dates'. Either way, MH is shaping as an attractive choice for Y pax SYD-LHR, with the A350 also flying KUL-LHR.

eta unknown · Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:31 am

MooLor wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH to use A359 o MH123/122 rotation to SYD from 1 Sep except certain dates

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 49895?s=21

I wonder will they stick with the current temporary A380 on those 'certain dates'. Either way, MH is shaping as an attractive choice for Y pax SYD-LHR, with the A350 also flying KUL-LHR.

Well on the sales & marketing side of things in BNE, most of MH's sales are coming from on-line agents with cheap fares as the traditional bricks and mortar agents shun them- from what I've heard from all the consolidators, the sales are quite bad.

Also heard an interesting rumour today that was conveyed as more than a rumour, in spite of the air services agreement not being amended: QR to BNE in OCT. Go figure...

oskarclare · Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:38 am

eta unknown wrote:
MooLor wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH to use A359 o MH123/122 rotation to SYD from 1 Sep except certain dates

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 49895?s=21

I wonder will they stick with the current temporary A380 on those 'certain dates'. Either way, MH is shaping as an attractive choice for Y pax SYD-LHR, with the A350 also flying KUL-LHR.

Well on the sales & marketing side of things in BNE, most of MH's sales are coming from on-line agents with cheap fares as the traditional bricks and mortar agents shun them- from what I've heard from all the consolidators, the sales are quite bad.

Also heard an interesting rumour today that was conveyed as more than a rumour, in spite of the air services agreement not being amended: QR to BNE in OCT. Go figure...

That is literally impossible unless the air service agreements is lifted. Maybe it will be lifted soon for BNE to start.

RyanairGuru · Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:08 am

oskarclare wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
MooLor wrote:

I wonder will they stick with the current temporary A380 on those 'certain dates'. Either way, MH is shaping as an attractive choice for Y pax SYD-LHR, with the A350 also flying KUL-LHR.

Well on the sales & marketing side of things in BNE, most of MH's sales are coming from on-line agents with cheap fares as the traditional bricks and mortar agents shun them- from what I've heard from all the consolidators, the sales are quite bad.

Also heard an interesting rumour today that was conveyed as more than a rumour, in spite of the air services agreement not being amended: QR to BNE in OCT. Go figure...

That is literally impossible unless the air service agreements is lifted. Maybe it will be lifted soon for BNE to start.

There is a chance that a side agreement could be reached for 7 additional frequencies pending the outcome of the negotiations. I highly doubt the air services agreement would be fully re-negotiated and ratified within three months.

eta unknown · Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:46 am

I know... everyone in the room was looking at each other... my thoughts were, are you talking about the right airline and not confusing it with something else? The strange bit was the company that mentioned this has a commercial relationship with QR.

9MMPD · Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:58 am

Well if QR starts BNE get ready to start saying goodbye to EY. QR price very aggressively and the yields will plumit. Someone will have to give just look at Melbourne and Perth.

Obzerva · Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:03 am

oskarclare wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
MooLor wrote:

I wonder will they stick with the current temporary A380 on those 'certain dates'. Either way, MH is shaping as an attractive choice for Y pax SYD-LHR, with the A350 also flying KUL-LHR.

Well on the sales & marketing side of things in BNE, most of MH's sales are coming from on-line agents with cheap fares as the traditional bricks and mortar agents shun them- from what I've heard from all the consolidators, the sales are quite bad.

Also heard an interesting rumour today that was conveyed as more than a rumour, in spite of the air services agreement not being amended: QR to BNE in OCT. Go figure...

That is literally impossible unless the air service agreements is lifted. Maybe it will be lifted soon for BNE to start.

Well if another city was dropped for BNE it could happen 8-)

planemanofnz · Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:39 am

oskarclare wrote:
That is literally impossible unless the air service agreements is lifted. Maybe it will be lifted soon for BNE to start.

I wonder if there's a way of doing this under the existing ASA? For example, re-jigging CBR, so DOH - SYD - CBR is 4x weekly and DOH - BNE - CBR is 3x weekly, maintaining a daily CBR flight. CBR is a 388-capable airport AFAIK (correct me if I'm wrong), so lost SYD capacity from this move could be re-gained by upgrading the DOH - SYD - CBR flight from the 77W to the 388. As an alternative, could QR launch BNE as a tag from somewhere, like DOH - DRW / CNS - BNE?

Cheers,

C.

a320fan · Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:09 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
oskarclare wrote:
That is literally impossible unless the air service agreements is lifted. Maybe it will be lifted soon for BNE to start.

I wonder if there's a way of doing this under the existing ASA? For example, re-jigging CBR, so DOH - SYD - CBR is 4x weekly and DOH - BNE - CBR is 3x weekly, maintaining a daily CBR flight. CBR is a 388-capable airport AFAIK (correct me if I'm wrong), so lost SYD capacity from this move could be re-gained by upgrading the DOH - SYD - CBR flight from the 77W to the 388. As an alternative, could QR launch BNE as a tag from somewhere, like DOH - DRW / CNS - BNE?

Cheers,

C.

I guess it depends on how desperate they are to start building presence in BNE and how keen they are to burn money on a tag just so they can grow in AU. With the embargo from gulf states showing no sign of ending any feed into their network would be welcome and AU-EU is likely one of their most lucrative markets so I see them wanting that presence. I can see DOH-BNE-CNS-BNE-DOH actually working for them in this situation. CNS is a big inbound tourist draw, and QR love marketing specific destinations, so I can see that bringing in PAX from the EU side, and with this arrangement which I believe is the same set up as the CBR tag, they have direct flights on the higher yielding BNE sector both ways.

qf789 · Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:12 pm

REX has cut frequency to King Island by 30% due to higher airport charges

https://blueswandaily.com/rex-cuts-freq ... t-charges/

planemanofnz · Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:18 pm

a320fan wrote:
I can see DOH-BNE-CNS-BNE-DOH actually working for them in this situation. CNS is a big inbound tourist draw, and QR love marketing specific destinations, so I can see that bringing in PAX from the EU side, and with this arrangement which I believe is the same set up as the CBR tag, they have direct flights on the higher yielding BNE sector both ways.

The ASA wouldn't allow for that, unless DOH - SYD - CBR was dropped, or downgraded - QR could do 4x weekly DOH - SYD - CBR, and 3x weekly DOH - BNE - CNS, if needed. The ASA allows for:

“21 frequencies in each direction per week with any aircraft type. In addition, a total of seven frequencies per week with any aircraft type between Qatar and Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth provided such services operate via or beyond to a point in Australia other than Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth.”

See: https://blueswandaily.com/qatar-adds-da ... er-almost/.

Cheers,

C.

moa999 · Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:35 pm

Suspect a lot more 330neos heading our way with Air Asia (X) firming up an order for 64+36 widebody aircraft at Farnborough.

Presumably will end up with both the Thai and Indonesian affiliates as well as the main operation.

Velocity7 · Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:25 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
PA515 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Actually, NZ offers seasonal non-stop SYD - RAR flights, which, if you check the BITRE figures for, you'll see are doing exceedingly well.

Air NZ's Thu RAR-SYD, Fri SYD-RAR is all year.

There you go - you learn something new each day!

tullamarine wrote:
Cook Islands ... It is a long way given Bali ... closer.

Really? It's actually looking pretty equal in timings:

SYD - DPS: 6 h 45 min
SYD - RAR: 7 h 05 min

DPS - SYD: 6 h 00 min
RAR - SYD: 5 h 45 min

Cheers,

C.

I'm curious. Do these longer flights on 737's (East Coast to DPS or RAR) require any blocking of seats and/or cargo constraints? Are they anywhere near their limits?

ZK-NBT · Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:25 pm

Velocity7 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
PA515 wrote:
Air NZ's Thu RAR-SYD, Fri SYD-RAR is all year.

There you go - you learn something new each day!

tullamarine wrote:
Cook Islands ... It is a long way given Bali ... closer.

Really? It's actually looking pretty equal in timings:

SYD - DPS: 6 h 45 min
SYD - RAR: 7 h 05 min

DPS - SYD: 6 h 00 min
RAR - SYD: 5 h 45 min

Cheers,

C.

I'm curious. Do these longer flights on 737's (East Coast to DPS or RAR) require any blocking of seats and/or cargo constraints? Are they anywhere near their limits?

RAR-SYD is a 789/772. I’d say they wouldn’t up lift any freight to DPS ex SYD, they may at times have to block some seats aswell.

DeltaB717 · Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:53 pm

It is possible to adjust the available frequency under an ASA through a MoU, rather than necessarily having to renegotiate the ASA itself. I expect that's what is in the pipeline for QR, though my suspicion is that it will be at least a few weeks before we hear anything concrete about BNE (if BNE is even a thing). I don't expect BNE will come at the expense of any existing service.

TasFlyer · Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:58 pm

The BITRE domestic figures for May (traditionally the lowest month of the year) have been released here.

A few surprises this month with the usual suspects not featuring at the top growth in terms of growth:

ADL-CBR up 21.1%, but given the year prior had a load factor of only 59.9%, I wonder if this route was flooded with cheap seats this time around?

WA mining may be on the reboud with PER-KGI up 17.1%, PER-ZNE up 10.6%; but PER-KTA down 1.0%

Continued growth for PER-BME and MCY routes as for previous months this year

Other double digit growth for ADL-PER, BNE-CBR, SYD-BNK; and SYD-HTI off a small base

In terms of airports:

PER the big winner with 12.3% growth

CBR and ADL continuing the growth from previous months

MEL still growing faster than SYD; but even at this rate it will be some time before MEL overtakes SYD as Australia's busiest domestic port
Australia-wide:

Signs of capacity discipline with ASKs flat, but RPKs increasing 2.0% which resulted in a nationwide load factor of 80% (up 1.6 percentage points).

MooLor · Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:28 am

MooLor wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH to use A359 o MH123/122 rotation to SYD from 1 Sep except certain dates

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status ... 49895?s=21

I wonder will they stick with the current temporary A380 on those 'certain dates'. Either way, MH is shaping as an attractive choice for Y pax SYD-LHR, with the A350 also flying KUL-LHR.

The A350 swap appears to be just temporary - like the A380 swap has been.

Following schedule is effective 01OCT18 – 27OCT18.

MH141 KUL0910 – 1935SYD 333 D
MH123 KUL2345 – 1000+1SYD 359 D

MH122 SYD1305 – 1955KUL 359 D
MH140 SYD2210 – 0500+1KUL 333 D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279659/malaysia-airlines-adds-a350-sydney-service-in-sepoct-2018/

MH have just received their 6th and final A350, it may be they are using it and the A380 to cover temporary gaps in their A333 fleet.

planemanofnz · Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:11 am

TasFlyer wrote:
WA mining may be on the reboud with PER-KGI up 17.1%, PER-ZNE up 10.6%; but PER-KTA down 1.0%
Continued growth for PER-BME

Is it that mining is on the rebound, or something else, like new QF subsidies helping?

See: https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88586128z.

Cheers,

C.

qf789 · Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:43 am

planemanofnz wrote:
TasFlyer wrote:
WA mining may be on the reboud with PER-KGI up 17.1%, PER-ZNE up 10.6%; but PER-KTA down 1.0%
Continued growth for PER-BME

Is it that mining is on the rebound, or something else, like new QF subsidies helping?

See: https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88586128z.

Cheers,

C.

The QF deal has only kicked in and only applies to BME. There are new mining projects opening up and that has been the case since the construction phase ended a few years ago. The schedules operated to most if not all regional WA centers are largely dictated by mining companies. ZNE for example has increased from a 50% LF a year ago to 56% now. It’s still not great from a LF perspective and will improve only so much. It is not unusual to see 737’s from PER to one of the regional centers with a 80/90/100% load only to return with a load under 25% or visa versa. This is a common occurrence and I’m not sure there is much that either QF or VA can do about it

planemanofnz · Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:47 am

qf789 wrote:
The QF deal has only kicked in and only applies to BME.

I thought it became available from November 2017, and was at many other airports too:

... From November, Qantas will offer the discounts

... will be available for personal travel for people who live in Broome, Kalgoorlie, Karratha, Paraburdoo, Port Hedland and Newman. People in Kalgoorlie are expected to receive the biggest discounts.

See: https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... b88586128z.

Cheers,

C.

Qantas16 · Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:47 am

Velocity7 wrote:
I'm curious. Do these longer flights on 737's (East Coast to DPS or RAR) require any blocking of seats and/or cargo constraints? Are they anywhere near their limits?

I know VA & OD can struggle with their 737s on BNE-DPS... have heard VA asking at the boarding gate for volunteers to offload due to it and OD has previously left luggage behind due to weight.

Velocity7 · Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:24 am

Qantas16 wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
I'm curious. Do these longer flights on 737's (East Coast to DPS or RAR) require any blocking of seats and/or cargo constraints? Are they anywhere near their limits?

I know VA & OD can struggle with their 737s on BNE-DPS... have heard VA asking at the boarding gate for volunteers to offload due to it and OD has previously left luggage behind due to weight.

Thanks, that's interesting. I've flown BNE-DPS with VA quite a few times now and at different times of the year and on each occasion, the flight has never been particularly full - max 75%. I was wondering if it was poor LF's or if there is some type of capacity management in play here considering they fly it daily and on 3 days a week, it operates double daily. You'd think if it were poor LF's there would be an opportunity to improve it by dropping some of the double daily services? Even JQ are only daily (admittedly on 788's) as is OD.

qf789 · Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:37 am

For PER based a.netters the Crystal Air 77L that flew in nonstop from LGW last night is currently sucking on a fuel hose, looks like it’s being prepared for departure this afternoon

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