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WNflyer1523 wrote:Maybe we could see a couple more LAS routes? I remember Gary Kelly saying something about how he sees more growth for Southwest there.
BWIAirport wrote:BWI-SFO seems to be a hole in their network, although WN flies BWI-SJC/OAK/SMF and AS and UA fly BWI-SFO already. NK is cutting BWI-OAK in November-ish.
jplatts wrote:WNflyer1523 wrote:Maybe we could see a couple more LAS routes? I remember Gary Kelly saying something about how he sees more growth for Southwest there.
My predictions for WN expansion at LAS:
- Addition of LAS-CVG and LAS-MEM nonstop service
- LAS-MSP nonstop service extended from seasonal nonstop service to daily year-round nonstop service
- LAS-LGB nonstop service extended to daily nonstop service on a year-round basis if WN can acquire extra slots at LGB
- Revival of previously discontinued WN nonstop routes between LAS and the East Coast
jplatts wrote:WNflyer1523 wrote:Maybe we could see a couple more LAS routes? I remember Gary Kelly saying something about how he sees more growth for Southwest there.
My predictions for WN expansion at LAS:
- Addition of LAS-CVG and LAS-MEM nonstop service
- LAS-MSP nonstop service extended from seasonal nonstop service to daily year-round nonstop service
- LAS-LGB nonstop service extended to daily nonstop service on a year-round basis if WN can acquire extra slots at LGB
- Revival of previously discontinued WN nonstop routes between LAS and the East Coast
evank516 wrote:BWIAirport wrote:BWI-SFO seems to be a hole in their network, although WN flies BWI-SJC/OAK/SMF and AS and UA fly BWI-SFO already. NK is cutting BWI-OAK in November-ish.
NKs exit may be WN's green light then. They may be able to charge a higher fare if they don't have to compete with NK.
southwest1675 wrote:BNA-PDX one of these extensions haha. Not this one probably.
jplatts wrote:evank516 wrote:BWIAirport wrote:BWI-SFO seems to be a hole in their network, although WN flies BWI-SJC/OAK/SMF and AS and UA fly BWI-SFO already. NK is cutting BWI-OAK in November-ish.
NKs exit may be WN's green light then. They may be able to charge a higher fare if they don't have to compete with NK.
I agree that the lack of WN BWI-SFO nonstop service is a hole. The lack of nonstop service to BWI from RNO and TUS are even bigger holes than the lack of WN nonstop service to BWI from SFO because there is currently no nonstop service to BWI, DCA, or IAD from RNO and TUS on any airline whereas WN already has nonstop service to BWI from OAK and SMF.
According to the DOT Domestic Consumer Airfare Report, there was an average of 269 passengers a day traveling between RNO and the Baltimore/Washington region (BWI, IAD, and DCA) in Q3 2017 and an average of 287 passengers a day traveling between TUS and the Baltimore/Washington region (BWI, IAD, and DCA) in Q3 2017. There is probably enough demand for WN to add nonstop service to RNO and TUS out of BWI.
WN would also be able to capture more of the leisure travel to the Lake Tahoe area from the East Coast (both in the Baltimore/Washington region and in other East Coast markets) if WN adds BWI-RNO nonstop service since WN would be able to connect passengers to RNO from other East Coast destinations through BWI. In addition, RNO is the closest commercial airport to Carson City (the capital city of Nevada), and there is government travel between RNO and BWI with RNO being the closest commercial airport to Carson City.
knope2001 wrote:Maybe we can just post links to the last several "what will the new Southwest schedule bring" threads and save time?
stlgph wrote:knope2001 wrote:Maybe we can just post links to the last several "what will the new Southwest schedule bring" threads and save time?
nah, this quarter I'm going with Corpus Christi to Spokane!
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jplatts wrote:evank516 wrote:BWIAirport wrote:BWI-SFO seems to be a hole in their network, although WN flies BWI-SJC/OAK/SMF and AS and UA fly BWI-SFO already. NK is cutting BWI-OAK in November-ish.
NKs exit may be WN's green light then. They may be able to charge a higher fare if they don't have to compete with NK.
I agree that the lack of WN BWI-SFO nonstop service is a hole. The lack of nonstop service to BWI from RNO and TUS are even bigger holes than the lack of WN nonstop service to BWI from SFO because there is currently no nonstop service to BWI, DCA, or IAD from RNO and TUS on any airline whereas WN already has nonstop service to BWI from OAK and SMF.
According to the DOT Domestic Consumer Airfare Report, there was an average of 269 passengers a day traveling between RNO and the Baltimore/Washington region (BWI, IAD, and DCA) in Q3 2017 and an average of 287 passengers a day traveling between TUS and the Baltimore/Washington region (BWI, IAD, and DCA) in Q3 2017. There is probably enough demand for WN to add nonstop service to RNO and TUS out of BWI.
WN would also be able to capture more of the leisure travel to the Lake Tahoe area from the East Coast (both in the Baltimore/Washington region and in other East Coast markets) if WN adds BWI-RNO nonstop service since WN would be able to connect passengers to RNO from other East Coast destinations through BWI. In addition, RNO is the closest commercial airport to Carson City (the capital city of Nevada), and there is government travel between RNO and BWI with RNO being the closest commercial airport to Carson City.
evank516 wrote:stlgph wrote:knope2001 wrote:Maybe we can just post links to the last several "what will the new Southwest schedule bring" threads and save time?
nah, this quarter I'm going with Corpus Christi to Spokane!
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Harlingen to Islip sounds good too
mtnwest1979 wrote:Will WN add nonstop DSM-PIT? They could , ya know. Oh wait, they COULD add nonstop between any cities they serve.... It is such a hole in the WN network. Yeah, because no one flies it haha.
So many holes ion airline networks according to so many holes on here hahaha. Anyway. We'll see.....
Runway28L wrote:But OAK-PIT is still a big oppertunity for WN imo and it’s been rumored for years.
WN has become very complicit at PIT after all the talk of expanding here to relieve BWI. If they wanted to add OAK-PIT then it better be sooner rather than later. UA recently made PIT-SFO year-round and added a 2nd daily flight. The door would really slam shut if AS were to jump in on PIT-Bay Area before WN.
flymco753 wrote:TPA-DTW & MSP will return.
Runway28L wrote:mtnwest1979 wrote:Will WN add nonstop DSM-PIT? They could , ya know. Oh wait, they COULD add nonstop between any cities they serve.... It is such a hole in the WN network. Yeah, because no one flies it haha.
So many holes ion airline networks according to so many holes on here hahaha. Anyway. We'll see.....
You’re kidding right?
I don’t see WN doing DSM-PIT at all. But OAK-PIT is still a big oppertunity for WN imo and it’s been rumored for years.
WN has become very complicit at PIT after all the talk of expanding here to relieve BWI. If they wanted to add OAK-PIT then it better be sooner rather than later. UA recently made PIT-SFO year-round and added a 2nd daily flight. The door would really slam shut if AS or even NK were to jump in on PIT-Bay Area before WN.
msycajun wrote:Notable that this extension will cover the transition from south terminal to the new north terminal here at MSY. The word is that pretty much everyone will be tight on gates until the switch because a few gates are being moved over early (which seems asinine to me). I'm not sure if we'll see it this extension because it only covers a few weeks before to a few weeks after, but I believe we will see some sizeable expansions, whether from WN or others once gates are no longer an issue. I'd think that a daily RDU and PIT would do well along with 1-2 weekly to MKE and ORF. Based on loadfactors, DEN and MDW could use more flights as well.
Runway28L wrote:You’re kidding right?
I don’t see WN doing DSM-PIT at all.
But OAK-PIT is still a big oppertunity for WN imo and it’s been rumored for years.
WN has become very complicit at PIT after all the talk of expanding here to relieve BWI. If they wanted to add OAK-PIT then it better be sooner rather than later. UA recently made PIT-SFO year-round and added a 2nd daily flight. The door would really slam shut if AS or even NK were to jump in on PIT-Bay Area before WN.
jplatts wrote:MSN is going to be announcing a new airline and 2 new nonstop routes next week, and WN starting service out of MSN is a possibility since WN is going to be extending its schedule next week on 6/28. The upcoming MSN announcement is being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383559&start=50#p20503261.
jplatts wrote:MSN is going to be announcing a new airline and 2 new nonstop routes next week, and WN starting service out of MSN is a possibility since WN is going to be extending its schedule next week on 6/28. The upcoming MSN announcement is being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383559&start=50#p20503261.
LotsaRunway wrote:jplatts wrote:MSN is going to be announcing a new airline and 2 new nonstop routes next week, and WN starting service out of MSN is a possibility since WN is going to be extending its schedule next week on 6/28. The upcoming MSN announcement is being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383559&start=50#p20503261.
Since MSN is expecting an announcement of only two new flights, I'm skeptical that WN is starting service there.
ctrabs0114 wrote:Which would make more business sense for WN if they were to expand to the Bay Area: PIT-SJC or PIT-OAK? I get that WN has a base at OAK, but if they were going after business travel, then SJC would seem to be a better option since it's closer to the tech businesses of Silicon Valley than OAK. I didn't include SFO (1) because of UA's double-daily service and (2) because WN seems to be emphasizing expansion at SJC over SFO to avoid an inevitable three-way fare war with UA and AS.
The door isn't just closing on PIT-Bay Area for WN, but I would think that F9's planned PIT-SAN flight might also slam the door shut on any planned service on that route from WN (though, given F9's dartboard strategy, especially at PIT, that door might not close as quickly as some might suggest).
WN732 wrote:LotsaRunway wrote:jplatts wrote:MSN is going to be announcing a new airline and 2 new nonstop routes next week, and WN starting service out of MSN is a possibility since WN is going to be extending its schedule next week on 6/28. The upcoming MSN announcement is being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383559&start=50#p20503261.
Since MSN is expecting an announcement of only two new flights, I'm skeptical that WN is starting service there.
It has to be Allegiant.
WN732 wrote:LotsaRunway wrote:jplatts wrote:MSN is going to be announcing a new airline and 2 new nonstop routes next week, and WN starting service out of MSN is a possibility since WN is going to be extending its schedule next week on 6/28. The upcoming MSN announcement is being discussed at https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383559&start=50#p20503261.
Since MSN is expecting an announcement of only two new flights, I'm skeptical that WN is starting service there.
It has to be Allegiant.
avi8 wrote:How about TPA/MCO-BOS? They are logical adds in my opinion and don't know why WN never flew those routes. B6 had the BOS-TPA route for themselves for a while and then DL jumped in with 2 daily flights and now going up to 3.
FLYKTPA wrote:avi8 wrote:How about TPA/MCO-BOS? They are logical adds in my opinion and don't know why WN never flew those routes. B6 had the BOS-TPA route for themselves for a while and then DL jumped in with 2 daily flights and now going up to 3.
With DL, B6 and NK all serving the market with up to 9 flights as day Southwest is probably like “what’s the point?”.
jplatts wrote:MSN is going to be announcing a new airline and 2 new nonstop routes next week, and WN starting service out of MSN is a possibility since WN is going to be extending its schedule next week on 6/28. .
WN732 wrote:WN would have added FAT before MSN.