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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:02 am

Getting an exemption for AUS-LGA and AUS-DCA would be the big opportunities for AA.
Anything else would require them to start up point to point flying (BOS, SJC, etc)
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:09 am

CarlosSi wrote:
Slightly off topic, but is there an alternative to how AA and UA would expand from AUS other than adding frequencies or upgauging from expanding hubs (basically adding just seats)? Basically what would make a stop at one of their hubs more favorable over perhaps a nonstop with DL?

I guess upgauging would lower yields/cheap tickets, though I’m not so sure if that’s always in their best interest.

With megahubs so close AA/UA don't want to dilute the flow, so I mainly see upgauging.
Looking in the future O&D traffic will continue to grow as fast as the region grows, so PDEW for lots of city pairs will increase to where a regional jet is viable but not a 143 seat WN 737.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:29 am

axiom wrote:
The thread title should be changed to "Could DL Build a Focus City at AUS?"

I keep coming to this thread looking for factual discussion related to the title, and I don't see it.


I keep coming to this thread because it reminds me of the supermarket checkout tabloids. "Woman gives birth to rabbit" and other absurdities. Once in awhile I offer comments like the other realists do here, but it's met with "Yeah but we hear stuff from someone at the port that collaborates what we are hoping for..." (COLLABORATES what we think? WTF I think you mean CORROBORATES).

Simple things like THAT make me really doubt there is much sophisticated intel that we skeptics are missing out on. So pass the popcorn. I'm interested in all this, but I'm also highly entertained.

and comments like this...
reggiet wrote:
With a 2017 pre-tax income of $5.5 billion and a fairly successful debt retirement plan the last few years, DL has a bit of mad money to take chances at diamonds in the rough like AUS.


This just seems like a real misunderstanding of how the aviation industry works. "Mad money?" to "take some chances like AUS"?
I think I'd be less eye-rolly if the fanboys would call out some of the excesses I just quoted when things as ridiculous as that get said. But it just gets left there. It just muddies the water hearing things like this reasoning. Maybe DL will beef up their service some, but "mad money to take chances?" C'mon get real. The airline biz is too thin on lifetime profits to operate this way, and any industry expert will tell you that. Makes the other things said less believable.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:05 pm

KD5MDK wrote:
Getting an exemption for AUS-LGA and AUS-DCA would be the big opportunities for AA.
Anything else would require them to start up point to point flying (BOS, SJC, etc)


WN is currently the only airline to serve DCA nonstop from AUS, and WN already is using its only beyond-perimeter slot exemption on the DCA-AUS route. DL also is already using its beyond-perimeter slot exemptions on its DCA-LAX and DCA-SLC nonstops. DL adding AUS-DCA nonstop service will not happen without extra beyond-perimeter slot exemptions being added at DCA.

Both WN and DL could add operate Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA out of AUS, but DL does not usually do Saturday-only nonstops to beyond-perimeter destinations from LGA except for seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to BZN from LGA. I think that WN is more likely than DL is to add Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA from AUS since WN is willing to do Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA from destinations such as PHX and SAT that do not have any nonstop service to LGA (even on a Saturday-only basis) on DL or AA.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 pm

This certainly throws an interesting twist into the discussion about a big expansion of flights at AUS. No matter what anybody at the port may have for Insider info about some big expansion it's all about the bottom line. There is no room for speculative flying for Delta or any other airline.

(There's an identical article at the Wall Street Journal behind it pay wall but this one is free.)
Title is "Delta to cut flights amid rising fuel costs."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/business/rising-fuel-costs-cut-into-deltas-q2-revenues
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:42 pm

This quote from the above article “The airline will focus its capacity cuts in markets where higher fuel costs cannot be offset with increased ticket costs, Delta president Glen Hauenstein told investors.” looks to me in saying LCC hubs/major stations are these types of places.. BWI, OAK, FLL.. etc... But I guess enilria next update may spell it out???
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:55 pm

It doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s going to be cuts in capacity, but rather frequency. I’m looking at DTW’s schedule for October and there’s a ton of A321’s. Seems like a lot of 737s are going MSP and west.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:13 pm

flymco753 wrote:
It doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s going to be cuts in capacity, but rather frequency. I’m looking at DTW’s schedule for October and there’s a ton of A321’s. Seems like a lot of 737s are going MSP and west.


Cuts <> additions

To your point, perhaps EXISTING city pairs can be made to have identical daily capacity if every current seat is somehow swapped for less frequent service on bigger planes,

But I shared the article as it related to GROWING the DL map of city pairs not currently servied. I was merely pointing out that in a time when DL and others will be tightening their belts due to fuel costs and announcing CUTS, it will be that much more challenging to ADD new flights anywhere, regardless of how badly airports want more service from their tenant airlines and regardless of alleged insider info..

We will see, but I just think the more austere times make it even less likely that most of this thread's speculations will come to pass.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:11 pm

I don't have the exact quote ,but I believe the context of the statement was to draw down the schedule after the busy summer season, and allow fare increases to catch up the revenue stream.
I do not see this affecting 2019 expansion which I think will be substantial.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:38 pm

Capn wrote:
I don't have the exact quote ,but I believe the context of the statement was to draw down the schedule after the busy summer season, and allow fare increases to catch up the revenue stream.
I do not see this affecting 2019 expansion which I think will be substantial.

i mean i think since they're saying that they're cutting flights due to rising fuel costs, that it's likely to stay in cutting mode as long as fuel is going up. If you can accurately predict that in 2019 fuel will be lower than now, you stand to make a healthy profit in the speculation market. If you aren't heavily invested that way, then I'd say maybe like most would agree, that NOBODY knows the price of fuel will be in 2019, and that it's just wishful thinking to say this issue won't be around then.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:15 pm

Mr. Bastian said that DL. was comfortable operating in the current price range. They predict that by end of the year the fares will have caught up with fuel costs. Doesn't mean they won't keep going higher. They plan on trimming certain markets not in all, other than normal end of summer cuts
They think that their model will do fine.
They also believe that ULCCs will be most affected by the rise in fuel costs.
I happen to believe that the DELTA management team will continue to prosper the airline in any environment...
I guess we will see in the coming months.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:52 pm

From the July 12 Delta earnings call transcript:

Edward Russell

"Hi there. Thank you for taking my question. There has been some recent reports out of Austin about Delta having interest in potentially building a focus city there in the future, especially as the C-Series start to come in, sorry the A220s? Could you comment on this report and Delta's ambitions in Austin?"

Ed Bastian

"We are not going to comment on any future plans that haven't already been announced."
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:35 pm

No offense, but I don't get your point.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:46 pm

winginit wrote:
From the July 12 Delta earnings call transcript:

Edward Russell

"Hi there. Thank you for taking my question. There has been some recent reports out of Austin about Delta having interest in potentially building a focus city there in the future, especially as the C-Series start to come in, sorry the A220s? Could you comment on this report and Delta's ambitions in Austin?"

Ed Bastian

"We are not going to comment on any future plans that haven't already been announced."


So is this Q&A supposed to be some sort of confirmation of a buildup in Austin? I just don't see it in what was said, er, I mean what WASN'T said.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:39 pm

Since this story and the DL return to BOM emerged around exactly the same time, I figured it makes sense to kill two birds with one stone.

1. Both are inevitable. DL will have to return to India at some point and also cannot ignore Texas forever. Both populations are gigantic.
2. Neither are happening anytime soon. India ops are an absolute bloodbath with EK, QR, and TK not letting up anytime soon and DL does not have a concrete plan in place. Likewise AA and UA ops in TX are the largest and second largest hubs respectively in their systems, and there is a HUGE amount of effort that will be needed to make a dent in not one but two megahubs between which Austin is sandwiched. Just thinking about it is difficult, imagine how difficult it is to actually do it.
3. DL needs a plan but doesn't have one. The intention is there whether they admit it or not, but they will have to make some big steps towards it which they have not done yet. DL has not given any details about their return to BOM which means it is worth nothing. AA could also say literally exactly the same thing which shows you just how worthless the statement is. For Austin, they have not even announced they plan to make a focus city like they did for Seattle. Its one thing to quietly grow a city with new routes and expansion but not say anything; people can read between the lines. But in AUS, DL is not even doing that. In AUS, there are no new flights on DL to suggest they are stealthily trying to grow in lieu of what they say, they just straight up have not confirmed anything at all, so without any evidence to suggest otherwise, they more than likely are not doing anything at the moment. Will they in the future? Absolutely. But that time is not right now.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:19 pm

neomax wrote:
For Austin, they have not even announced they plan to make a focus city like they did for Seattle. Its one thing to quietly grow a city with new routes and expansion but not say anything; people can read between the lines. But in AUS, DL is not even doing that. In AUS, there are no new flights on DL to suggest they are stealthily trying to grow in lieu of what they say, they just straight up have not confirmed anything at all, so without any evidence to suggest otherwise, they more than likely are not doing anything at the moment. Will they in the future? Absolutely. But that time is not right now.

Not right now because Delta only has three, maybe four gates. If they are really interested in Austin they would likely announce status or add new flights once the extension is open. Last when I was in Ausin Delta’s Gates were packed to the brim with one plane after another. Food for thought, eta of the extension is early 2019, so we might see some announcements this year. Nothing much can happen now, waiting game for a while. The international gates have openings though...
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:34 pm

masonh2479 wrote:
Food for thought, eta of the extension is early 2019, so we might see some announcements this year. Nothing much can happen now, waiting game for a while. The international gates have openings though...

While the opening of the concourse is currently scheduled for March 2019, I believe that the availability of the gates themselves will need to be phased in.

The northern "half" of the concourse would need to open first and host the airlines that are currently using the stinger gates on the east end, e.g. BA, F9, etc., followed by deconstruction of the temporary jet bridges currently in use, and then finally by the construction of all remaining jet bridges (including replacing jet bridges into their final configurations for current Gates 2, 3A, etc.) on the southern "half".

Only when this last step is complete would there be a net addition of gates in the terminal, and it's not clear in public statements whether the deadline for opening the extension is for this final configuration (that may include new gates for DL in this "focus city" discussion) or simply to open the extension to relieve the overcrowding on the east end.

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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:44 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
winginit wrote:
From the July 12 Delta earnings call transcript:

Edward Russell

"Hi there. Thank you for taking my question. There has been some recent reports out of Austin about Delta having interest in potentially building a focus city there in the future, especially as the C-Series start to come in, sorry the A220s? Could you comment on this report and Delta's ambitions in Austin?"

Ed Bastian

"We are not going to comment on any future plans that haven't already been announced."


So is this Q&A supposed to be some sort of confirmation of a buildup in Austin? I just don't see it in what was said, er, I mean what WASN'T said.


It's neither confirmation or denial just a statement. Read from it what you will but it was relevant that the issue was brought up by an analyst on the earnings call.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:46 pm

masonh2479 wrote:
neomax wrote:
For Austin, they have not even announced they plan to make a focus city like they did for Seattle. Its one thing to quietly grow a city with new routes and expansion but not say anything; people can read between the lines. But in AUS, DL is not even doing that. In AUS, there are no new flights on DL to suggest they are stealthily trying to grow in lieu of what they say, they just straight up have not confirmed anything at all, so without any evidence to suggest otherwise, they more than likely are not doing anything at the moment. Will they in the future? Absolutely. But that time is not right now.

Not right now because Delta only has three, maybe four gates. If they are really interested in Austin they would likely announce status or add new flights once the extension is open. Last when I was in Ausin Delta’s Gates were packed to the brim with one plane after another. Food for thought, eta of the extension is early 2019, so we might see some announcements this year. Nothing much can happen now, waiting game for a while. The international gates have openings though...


Exactly. Everyone needs to calm down, this is not going to be announced all at once. It will start with a few new routes and work up from there.

I predict AUS-AMS will be announced anytime within the next 2-3 months with a May 2019 start date. Then a new p2p destination or two before the end of the year.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:19 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
neomax wrote:
For Austin, they have not even announced they plan to make a focus city like they did for Seattle. Its one thing to quietly grow a city with new routes and expansion but not say anything; people can read between the lines. But in AUS, DL is not even doing that. In AUS, there are no new flights on DL to suggest they are stealthily trying to grow in lieu of what they say, they just straight up have not confirmed anything at all, so without any evidence to suggest otherwise, they more than likely are not doing anything at the moment. Will they in the future? Absolutely. But that time is not right now.

Not right now because Delta only has three, maybe four gates. If they are really interested in Austin they would likely announce status or add new flights once the extension is open. Last when I was in Ausin Delta’s Gates were packed to the brim with one plane after another. Food for thought, eta of the extension is early 2019, so we might see some announcements this year. Nothing much can happen now, waiting game for a while. The international gates have openings though...


Exactly. Everyone needs to calm down, this is not going to be announced all at once. It will start with a few new routes and work up from there.

I predict AUS-AMS will be announced anytime within the next 2-3 months with a May 2019 start date. Then a new p2p destination or two before the end of the year.


So far there's no definitive word that ANYTHING "will start." It's just speculation, rumor, wanting & hoping it to be so, and jumping to some fairly wild predictions. We'll see, but I ain't holding my breath.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:40 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
I predict AUS-AMS will be announced anytime within the next 2-3 months with a May 2019 start date


Is there any reason behind your confident prediction?
I mean, are you making this prediction based on O&D, traffic data to EU, fare data, cargo etc?
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:14 pm

SATexan wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
I predict AUS-AMS will be announced anytime within the next 2-3 months with a May 2019 start date


Is there any reason behind your confident prediction?
I mean, are you making this prediction based on O&D, traffic data to EU, fare data, cargo etc?


I making it based on what we saw last year with IND to CDG, MCO to AMS, etc. IF DL chooses to follow a similar path this year and add more TATL routes, then with their new gates coming online next year, we’d likely see a August/September announcement with a Spring 2019 start date. IF DL goes through with building a focus city in AUS, then TATL service would be the most logical way to kick things off.

Additionally, I’m basing it on the fact that the BA flight is ripe for some competition considering they are alternating a 747/77W on the route now.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:30 pm

Mikey711MN wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
Food for thought, eta of the extension is early 2019, so we might see some announcements this year. Nothing much can happen now, waiting game for a while. The international gates have openings though...

While the opening of the concourse is currently scheduled for March 2019, I believe that the availability of the gates themselves will need to be phased in.

The northern "half" of the concourse would need to open first and host the airlines that are currently using the stinger gates on the east end, e.g. BA, F9, etc., followed by deconstruction of the temporary jet bridges currently in use, and then finally by the construction of all remaining jet bridges (including replacing jet bridges into their final configurations for current Gates 2, 3A, etc.) on the southern "half".

Only when this last step is complete would there be a net addition of gates in the terminal, and it's not clear in public statements whether the deadline for opening the extension is for this final configuration (that may include new gates for DL in this "focus city" discussion) or simply to open the extension to relieve the overcrowding on the east end.

-Mike

I agree with your post, Mike, at this point the extension is just really a stop gap solution, with ABIA expected to exceed 15M this year. When the extension is completed and ready for phased opening, I do think that the gates on the North and the East gates will be able to open at once, that may net a gate or two.

Keep in mind with these temp gates there was already a net gain of one (absorbed instantly). ABIA was built with 24 contact gates and 1 gate with no jet bridge, the temp gates made 25 contact. I do think the gates will be swarmed as soon as they are available, but by Delta, I have no clue. I wish I were “in the know” in Delta but I’m not. I have no idea of Delta really is interested in Austin beyond adding a Sky Club, I know there have been a ton of rumors about AMS service and Delta even flew it during SWSW, but we’ll see.

With the extension slated to open early next year (March as you said) I do believe that date is for the extension itself to open but not the date that all jetbridges are available. We will likely see those being added and tested in the few hours that ABIA sleeps.

The jetbriges are already being added on the North side, a week or two ago the port posted an update stating the old gate 2 was refurbed and is now in place in its new home. So maybe March 2019 is all the gates being opened, again, who knows. This is all speculation and this waiting game is not fun at all.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:35 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
Not right now because Delta only has three, maybe four gates. If they are really interested in Austin they would likely announce status or add new flights once the extension is open. Last when I was in Ausin Delta’s Gates were packed to the brim with one plane after another. Food for thought, eta of the extension is early 2019, so we might see some announcements this year. Nothing much can happen now, waiting game for a while. The international gates have openings though...


Exactly. Everyone needs to calm down, this is not going to be announced all at once. It will start with a few new routes and work up from there.

I predict AUS-AMS will be announced anytime within the next 2-3 months with a May 2019 start date. Then a new p2p destination or two before the end of the year.


So far there's no definitive word that ANYTHING "will start." It's just speculation, rumor, wanting & hoping it to be so, and jumping to some fairly wild predictions. We'll see, but I ain't holding my breath.

Agreed, speculation is fun but as some point there needs to be some facts to back up said speculation, hopefully within the next year Delta will say whether it is or isn’t interested in Austin and we can have some relief.

Delta did fly AUS-AMS to back up ADrum23’s prediction, albeit for SXSW only. The planes had healthy occupancy but I don’t know what Delta took from that, just SXSW influence or demand for a consistent flight even when there are no huge festivals.

Being a Delta FF, I do hope Delta at least adds an international flight to Austin.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:59 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
SATexan wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
I predict AUS-AMS will be announced anytime within the next 2-3 months with a May 2019 start date


Is there any reason behind your confident prediction?
I mean, are you making this prediction based on O&D, traffic data to EU, fare data, cargo etc?


I making it based on what we saw last year with IND to CDG, MCO to AMS, etc. IF DL chooses to follow a similar path this year and add more TATL routes, then with their new gates coming online next year, we’d likely see a August/September announcement with a Spring 2019 start date. IF DL goes through with building a focus city in AUS, then TATL service would be the most logical way to kick things off.

Additionally, I’m basing it on the fact that the BA flight is ripe for some competition considering they are alternating a 747/77W on the route now.


Aus is not ind or mco. Delta has very strong point of sale in those 2 cities and is very weak in Austin.

In fact, it’s hard to really comprehend how weak they are in Austin unless you have seen some of their fare data compared to ind and mco.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:48 am

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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:08 am

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Aus is not ind or mco. Delta has very strong point of sale in those 2 cities and is very weak in Austin.
In fact, it’s hard to really comprehend how weak they are in Austin unless you have seen some of their fare data compared to ind and mco.

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Also, it is important to note that AMS is considered a low yielding destination (IAH being a notable exception).
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:23 pm

When discussing RDU's future in the DL network, DL Executives referred to AUS as a DL focus city. Looks like this is the first official acknowledgement. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/busin ... 37225.html
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:38 pm

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When discussing RDU's future in the DL network, DL Executives referred to AUS as a DL focus city. Looks like this is the first official acknowledgement. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/busin ... 37225.html


You're right, I didn't catch that! This is an interesting development indeed. So I guess this is official confirmation from Delta itself.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

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When discussing RDU's future in the DL network, DL Executives referred to AUS as a DL focus city. Looks like this is the first official acknowledgement. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/busin ... 37225.html


That’s incorrect; nowhere in the article does DL acknowledge AUS as a focus city. Instead, the article’s author identifies it as such, listing it as a current focus city alongside CVG and BOS. The whole statement is false — AUS is not currently a focus city, and DL identifies BOS and CVG as hubs.

Just something the author got wrong in his research, not an official acknowledgement.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:12 pm

compensateme wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
When discussing RDU's future in the DL network, DL Executives referred to AUS as a DL focus city. Looks like this is the first official acknowledgement. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/busin ... 37225.html


That’s incorrect; nowhere in the article does DL acknowledge AUS as a focus city. Instead, the article’s author identifies it as such, listing it as a current focus city alongside CVG and BOS. The whole statement is false — AUS is not currently a focus city, and DL identifies BOS and CVG as hubs.

Just something the author got wrong in his research, not an official acknowledgement.


No, BOS and CVG are not hubs, they are focus cities. Delta has identified them as such.

http://s1.q4cdn.com/231238688/files/doc_presentations/2017/Delta-Air-Lines-Investor-Day_2017.pdf (see slide 24)
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:16 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
compensateme wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
When discussing RDU's future in the DL network, DL Executives referred to AUS as a DL focus city. Looks like this is the first official acknowledgement. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/busin ... 37225.html


That’s incorrect; nowhere in the article does DL acknowledge AUS as a focus city. Instead, the article’s author identifies it as such, listing it as a current focus city alongside CVG and BOS. The whole statement is false — AUS is not currently a focus city, and DL identifies BOS and CVG as hubs.

Just something the author got wrong in his research, not an official acknowledgement.


No, BOS and CVG are not hubs, they are focus cities. Delta has identified them as such.

http://s1.q4cdn.com/231238688/files/doc_presentations/2017/Delta-Air-Lines-Investor-Day_2017.pdf (see slide 24)


#1) it’s irreverent, it’s very clear the article’s author, not DL, identifies AUS as a focus city;
#2) DL uniformly identifies BOS and CVG as hubs in its marketing and PR material, including oodles of press releases released since Incestor Day. And the article interviewed a PR person...
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:26 pm

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ADrum23 wrote:
compensateme wrote:

That’s incorrect; nowhere in the article does DL acknowledge AUS as a focus city. Instead, the article’s author identifies it as such, listing it as a current focus city alongside CVG and BOS. The whole statement is false — AUS is not currently a focus city, and DL identifies BOS and CVG as hubs.

Just something the author got wrong in his research, not an official acknowledgement.


No, BOS and CVG are not hubs, they are focus cities. Delta has identified them as such.

http://s1.q4cdn.com/231238688/files/doc_presentations/2017/Delta-Air-Lines-Investor-Day_2017.pdf (see slide 24)


#1) it’s irreverent, it’s very clear the article’s author, not DL, identifies AUS as a focus city;
#2) DL uniformly identifies BOS and CVG as hubs in its marketing and PR material, including oodles of press releases released since Incestor Day. And the article interviewed a PR person...


I don't disagree about AUS, I myself have said it is premature to label it a focus city until some actual p2p routes are launched.

However, I haven't seen any info labeling CVG and BOS a hub in quite a while.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:42 am

Contacted the author and it has been changed. Definitely not a focus city yet.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:51 am

cvgComair wrote:
Contacted the author and it has been changed. Definitely not a focus city yet.


Well there goes the hopes of many Austinites...
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:56 pm

With the LH addition, and still no regularly scheduled TATL service on DL/KL/AF/VS, is the AUS focus city happening? Or is it a A.net myth?

Obviously DL has beefed up their service from AUS to their hubs and official focus cities.... but DL has done similar things at several other non-focus city airports as well.

Just seems odd that if AUS is going to be a focus city, that places like IND, TPA, etc. get DL TATL service... but not AUS.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:22 pm

kavok wrote:
With the LH addition, and still no regularly scheduled TATL service on DL/KL/AF/VS, is the AUS focus city happening? Or is it a A.net myth?

Obviously DL has beefed up their service from AUS to their hubs and official focus cities.... but DL has done similar things at several other non-focus city airports as well.

Just seems odd that if AUS is going to be a focus city, that places like IND, TPA, etc. get DL TATL service... but not AUS.


I’ll throw my two cents here.

I think there is credibility to the DL AUS focus city rumor, but the speculations in this thread are way, way too premature. DL isn’t going to put a hub in AUS like some have said, but a focus city like RDU/CVG/BOS isn’t out the question. They simply may be waiting for the new gates and the SkyClub to come online before announcing anything.

DL has now surpassed UA as the third largest carrier, so I would imagine they’d want to get in on TATL service to either AMS or CDG in order to give SkyTeam a TATL presence in AUS (now that OW and SA do).
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:13 pm

kavok wrote:
With the LH addition, and still no regularly scheduled TATL service on DL/KL/AF/VS, is the AUS focus city happening? Or is it a A.net myth?

Obviously DL has beefed up their service from AUS to their hubs and official focus cities.... but DL has done similar things at several other non-focus city airports as well.

Just seems odd that if AUS is going to be a focus city, that places like IND, TPA, etc. get DL TATL service... but not AUS.


I'm in the, I'll believe it when I see it crowd:

1. DL has said nothing about planning to expand AUS
2. DL would need to get corporate contracts from many TX companies who are diehard AA or WN (maybe even UA)
3. AUS has competition from multiple airlines to every major business market
4. DL doesn't even operate token sat-only service to CUN or MCO from AUS
5. In order to stay competitive in AUS they would need to operate AUS-DFW/IAH each at least 5x daily
5a. Which considering they are limited on space who eat up 1-2 gates a day meaning they wouldn't be able to add anything else from AUS, if they theoretically had 5 gates
5b. Operating those routes against AA/UA/WN would be unprofitable at best, as AA/UA/WN have greater onward connections and would be able to undercut DL on prices
6. UA and AA through their partners have TATL flights already and from AUS, both carriers offer 1-stop flights to most major markets around the world.

Sure they could add a few p2p flights, but they do that in numerous other places around the country, so I don't think a focus city the size of RDU/CVG/BOS is likely
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:22 pm

Would be nice to have DL start AUS-MFE, so MFE can get DL back and AUS service like TI, TW and I think Emerald? had way back....
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:16 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
kavok wrote:
With the LH addition, and still no regularly scheduled TATL service on DL/KL/AF/VS, is the AUS focus city happening? Or is it a A.net myth?

Obviously DL has beefed up their service from AUS to their hubs and official focus cities.... but DL has done similar things at several other non-focus city airports as well.

Just seems odd that if AUS is going to be a focus city, that places like IND, TPA, etc. get DL TATL service... but not AUS.


I'm in the, I'll believe it when I see it crowd:

1. DL has said nothing about planning to expand AUS
2. DL would need to get corporate contracts from many TX companies who are diehard AA or WN (maybe even UA)
3. AUS has competition from multiple airlines to every major business market
4. DL doesn't even operate token sat-only service to CUN or MCO from AUS
5. In order to stay competitive in AUS they would need to operate AUS-DFW/IAH each at least 5x daily
5a. Which considering they are limited on space who eat up 1-2 gates a day meaning they wouldn't be able to add anything else from AUS, if they theoretically had 5 gates
5b. Operating those routes against AA/UA/WN would be unprofitable at best, as AA/UA/WN have greater onward connections and would be able to undercut DL on prices
6. UA and AA through their partners have TATL flights already and from AUS, both carriers offer 1-stop flights to most major markets around the world.

Sure they could add a few p2p flights, but they do that in numerous other places around the country, so I don't think a focus city the size of RDU/CVG/BOS is likely


I don't think you're necessarily off base with much of that, but I'd like to address your points directly.

1. True. Not that I would expect them to before they actually announce a plan to do it.
2. I'm not entirely sure that's true. There are lots of national corporations that have enormous operations in the state, and in Austin itself. I don't think that contracts from Texas-based corporations are required; there's plenty of flying happening in Austin without them.
3. This I think is the biggest reason why it is unlikely. AUS has an exceptional quantity of service to the primary business centers of the country.
4. I'm reasonably certain DL did in the past operate AUS-CUN seasonally on Saturdays; I know UA did, and I believe DL did, too. I don't think a single, weekly flight, or lack thereof, is indicative of much at all.
5. I don't think that's true at all. It depends largely on whether or not the goal is to increase their intra-Texas flying, or to provide another mid-con transit point. Even still, both DFW and IAH are extremely well-connected already, and wouldn't really benefit from another connection to AUS as a spoke. I'm not sure the goal would be to connect secondary markets in Texas (e.g. MAF, LBB, CRP) to major cities in Texas or, indeed, other secondary markets. AA, UA, and WN have that market covered pretty well.
5a. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but with the concourse expansion opening early next year, if DL wants more gates, they have access to them. Furthermore, a press release earlier this week announced that F9 would be moving to the South Terminal in November, freeing up some common-use gates that DL also uses.
5b. While I absolutely 100% agree that DL would have no desire to compete in those markets I discussed earlier, I'm not sure of the veracity of the claim that AA and UA would have any great means to undercut DL on price. WN, perhaps, but other large legacies with similar cost structures? I don't think I buy it. If DL wanted to compete on price with AA and UA, they can.
6. I think this is actually evidence in favor of an expanded DL presence. Skyteam is the only alliance without any meaningful presence in the state, which itself is an influential economic market in the world. Now what is considered "meaningful" is of course up for debate, but I think AF announcing a return to DFW is at least anecdotally indicative that they'd like to expand their footprint in the state (along with, of course, connecting one of the largest economic markets in the country).

I'm in wait and see mode, too, but I certainly don't consider it far-fetched.
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:44 pm

Has Delta officially said anything more on this?
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:03 pm

Longhornmaniac wrote:
5. I don't think that's true at all. It depends largely on whether or not the goal is to increase their intra-Texas flying, or to provide another mid-con transit point. Even still, both DFW and IAH are extremely well-connected already, and wouldn't really benefit from another connection to AUS as a spoke. I'm not sure the goal would be to connect secondary markets in Texas (e.g. MAF, LBB, CRP) to major cities in Texas or, indeed, other secondary markets. AA, UA, and WN have that market covered pretty well.


DL really doesn't need another mid-con transit point. If they did, they wouldn't have abandoned the MEM hub. The whole point of a "focus city" is to capture local traffic, not offer another transit point. That's why at BOS, for example, they've added regional markets like PHL, PIT, and BUF. It will be hard to capture frequent flyers from WN/AA/UA if they can't offer access to Dallas & Houston.

Midwestindy wrote:
5a. Which considering they are limited on space who eat up 1-2 gates a day meaning they wouldn't be able to add anything else from AUS, if they theoretically had 5 gates


They also face space limitations at IAH with only four gates there (if there were any sort of intent to offer AUS-IAH).
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:09 pm

Longhornmaniac wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
kavok wrote:
With the LH addition, and still no regularly scheduled TATL service on DL/KL/AF/VS, is the AUS focus city happening? Or is it a A.net myth?

Obviously DL has beefed up their service from AUS to their hubs and official focus cities.... but DL has done similar things at several other non-focus city airports as well.

Just seems odd that if AUS is going to be a focus city, that places like IND, TPA, etc. get DL TATL service... but not AUS.


I'm in the, I'll believe it when I see it crowd:

1. DL has said nothing about planning to expand AUS
2. DL would need to get corporate contracts from many TX companies who are diehard AA or WN (maybe even UA)
3. AUS has competition from multiple airlines to every major business market
4. DL doesn't even operate token sat-only service to CUN or MCO from AUS
5. In order to stay competitive in AUS they would need to operate AUS-DFW/IAH each at least 5x daily
5a. Which considering they are limited on space who eat up 1-2 gates a day meaning they wouldn't be able to add anything else from AUS, if they theoretically had 5 gates
5b. Operating those routes against AA/UA/WN would be unprofitable at best, as AA/UA/WN have greater onward connections and would be able to undercut DL on prices
6. UA and AA through their partners have TATL flights already and from AUS, both carriers offer 1-stop flights to most major markets around the world.

Sure they could add a few p2p flights, but they do that in numerous other places around the country, so I don't think a focus city the size of RDU/CVG/BOS is likely


I don't think you're necessarily off base with much of that, but I'd like to address your points directly.

1. True. Not that I would expect them to before they actually announce a plan to do it.
2. I'm not entirely sure that's true. There are lots of national corporations that have enormous operations in the state, and in Austin itself. I don't think that contracts from Texas-based corporations are required; there's plenty of flying happening in Austin without them.
3. This I think is the biggest reason why it is unlikely. AUS has an exceptional quantity of service to the primary business centers of the country.
4. I'm reasonably certain DL did in the past operate AUS-CUN seasonally on Saturdays; I know UA did, and I believe DL did, too. I don't think a single, weekly flight, or lack thereof, is indicative of much at all.
5. I don't think that's true at all. It depends largely on whether or not the goal is to increase their intra-Texas flying, or to provide another mid-con transit point. Even still, both DFW and IAH are extremely well-connected already, and wouldn't really benefit from another connection to AUS as a spoke. I'm not sure the goal would be to connect secondary markets in Texas (e.g. MAF, LBB, CRP) to major cities in Texas or, indeed, other secondary markets. AA, UA, and WN have that market covered pretty well.
5a. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but with the concourse expansion opening early next year, if DL wants more gates, they have access to them. Furthermore, a press release earlier this week announced that F9 would be moving to the South Terminal in November, freeing up some common-use gates that DL also uses.
5b. While I absolutely 100% agree that DL would have no desire to compete in those markets I discussed earlier, I'm not sure of the veracity of the claim that AA and UA would have any great means to undercut DL on price. WN, perhaps, but other large legacies with similar cost structures? I don't think I buy it. If DL wanted to compete on price with AA and UA, they can.
6. I think this is actually evidence in favor of an expanded DL presence. Skyteam is the only alliance without any meaningful presence in the state, which itself is an influential economic market in the world. Now what is considered "meaningful" is of course up for debate, but I think AF announcing a return to DFW is at least anecdotally indicative that they'd like to expand their footprint in the state (along with, of course, connecting one of the largest economic markets in the country).

I'm in wait and see mode, too, but I certainly don't consider it far-fetched.


1. They have been open about wanting to expand IND, and this year they announced a bunch of adds
2. Yeah I get your point, but the point of true point of a focus city is to appeal to local passengers
4. Operating services like CUN and MCO shows that DL at least has some interest in the market, outside of serving their hubs and focus cities. UA at least offers CUN, and LH and BA offer TATL
5. The point of DFW/IAH flights would be to draw TX based passengers to DL, Dallas and Houston are extremely important cities and are top 5 in O&D from AUS.
5b. About the competing on price portion, UA and AA can offer onward connections through DFW and IAH, that gives them the advantage if DL were to try and compete with them.
Also, obviously gates haven't been finalized, but why would DL automatically be awarded tons of extra gate space other than 5-6 gates, there are other carriers who I would assume would be interested in expanding in AUS as well.

Actually running down the list of largest O&D markets from AUS not served by DL there is a pretty long list, and they all have heavy competition:
SFO-3 airlines already
DEN-3 airlines already
ORD-3 airlines already
WAS-3 airlines already
DAL-2 airlines already (AA megahub)
LAS-3 airlines already
PHX-3 airlines already
MIA/FLL-3 airlines already
MCO-5 airlines already

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Has Delta officially said anything more on this?


This all began because of one job posting
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:12 am

LAS has alot more point to point routes at this point than AUS. Seems premature
AUS looks like it has a long long way to go to be even in the same discussions as RDU, BOS, MCO, or LAS
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:43 am

When it comes to mainline Delta even doubling activity would only put them at #12 and #13 behind Las Vegas. These are 2017 numbers I pulled together awhile back of the 50 busiest Delta mainline stations. These are average weekly departures operated in 2017.

01 … 5158.6 ….. ATL
02 … 1384.8 ….. MSP
03 … 1203.5 ….. DTW
04 ….. 881.9 ….. SLC
05 ….. 844.6 ….. JFK
06 ….. 694.3 ….. LAX
07 ….. 464.1 ….. SEA
08 ….. 446.7 ….. LGA
09 ….. 350.4 ….. MCO
10 ….. 342.8 ….. BOS
11 ….. 252.5 ….. LAS
12 ….. 229.5 ….. SFO
13 ….. 218.1 ….. TPA
14 ….. 212.3 ….. FLL
15 ….. 194.8 ….. DEN
16 ….. 194.3 ….. MIA
17 ….. 171.7 ….. DCA
18 ….. 155.2 ….. PDX
19 ….. 150.8 ….. ORD
20 ….. 148.4 ….. CVG
21 ….. 144.3 ….. PHX
22 ….. 142.1 ….. MSY
23 ….. 141.0 ….. PHL
24 ….. 138.9 ….. BWI
25 ….. 135.4 ….. SAN
26 ….. 126.5 ….. MCI
27 ….. 125.7 ….. RDU
28 ….. 124.5 ….. AUS

29 ….. 119.9 ….. PBI
30 ….. 118.9 ….. EWR
31 ….. 117.8 ….. BNA
32 ….. 115.9 ….. CLT
33 ….. 111.7 ….. AMS
34 ….. 108.5 ….. DFW
35 ….. 108.4 ….. RSW
36 ….. 107.2 ….. CUN
37 ….. 102.2 ….. MKE
38 ……. 99.5 ….. IND
39 ……. 95.0 ….. STL
40 ……. 88.9 ….. HNL
41 ……. 88.7 ….. MEM
42 ……. 87.5 ….. JAX
43 ……. 83.4 ….. BDL
44 ……. 78.6 ….. PIT
45 ……. 78.1 ….. SJC
46 ……. 75.9 ….. LHR
47 ……. 75.8 ….. CDG
48 ……. 74.8 ….. CHS
49 ……. 74.6 ….. SAT
50 ……. 74.6 ….. GRR

Obviously these don't include DL* operations (a significantly more difficult number to pull because so many regionals have multiple masters) and were those included Raleigh would jump quite a bit. I don't see Austin having nearly the potential for a big RJ build up that RDU had because of geography, competition and the nature of the market. That doesn't mean there couldn't be some RJ adds -- there could be E75's to Chicago, for example. But a lot of Austin's boom is about connectivity with the coasts. For all the growth it's not like the air travel market has exploded to El Paso, Tulsa, Little Rock, Albuquerque etc. It been explosive growth to big, mostly coastal cities. For AUS to climb to Raleigh levels is a difficult path to see.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:47 am

Wasn't AUS-RDU planned for upgauged to 717 then scrapped fairly soon after?
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:53 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Has Delta officially said anything more on this?


This all began because of one job posting


...which then was posted here by a user starting this new thread linked to the job posting, then said "my bad, just merge it with the regular AUS thread," and then never returned. From there it mushroomed into delusions of grandeur that have not panned out, and those cheering the most of moved on to another skyscraper infrastructure forum where they've continued wild speculations. I've through the thread on the other forum and they appear to have driven off the board the insider they had (representing himself as being from the Port) who was sharing info with them, but who eventually said he's not going to post anymore; apparently there was too much pressure or info shared he shouldn't have or was simply wild speculation there, too. This whole subject is kind of amusing.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:05 pm

LovePrunesAnet wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Has Delta officially said anything more on this?


This all began because of one job posting


...which then was posted here by a user starting this new thread linked to the job posting, then said "my bad, just merge it with the regular AUS thread," and then never returned. From there it mushroomed into delusions of grandeur that have not panned out, and those cheering the most of moved on to another skyscraper infrastructure forum where they've continued wild speculations. I've through the thread on the other forum and they appear to have driven off the board the insider they had (representing himself as being from the Port) who was sharing info with them, but who eventually said he's not going to post anymore; apparently there was too much pressure or info shared he shouldn't have or was simply wild speculation there, too. This whole subject is kind of amusing.


Be areful -- someone will come into the thread and insist that you're berating or belitting others by point this out.

To be clear, I see no reason why DL -wouldn't- grow AUS. It makes sense in a lot of ways. I'm looking for the receipts, though.
 
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Has there been an announcement on the new gate assignments yet?
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Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:10 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Obviously these don't include DL* operations (a significantly more difficult number to pull because so many regionals have multiple masters) and were those included Raleigh would jump quite a bit. I don't see Austin having nearly the potential for a big RJ build up that RDU had because of geography, competition and the nature of the market. That doesn't mean there couldn't be some RJ adds -- there could be E75's to Chicago, for example. But a lot of Austin's boom is about connectivity with the coasts. For all the growth it's not like the air travel market has exploded to El Paso, Tulsa, Little Rock, Albuquerque etc. It been explosive growth to big, mostly coastal cities. For AUS to climb to Raleigh levels is a difficult path to see.


I think Endeavor/9E alone has around 20 departures a day out of RDU. Add G7 and OO and it's probably around in 15th place.


tkoenig95 wrote:
Wasn't AUS-RDU planned for upgauged to 717 then scrapped fairly soon after?


It had been loaded for the summer back around February or March and then disappeared just as suddenly.


Capn wrote:
Has there been an announcement on the new gate assignments yet?


I suspect the expansion is opening much sooner than Spring 2019. Certainly no later than for SXSW. No word from ABIA though.
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