What's next for MIA (route wise)?

jetero · Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:07 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
Please don't say MIA - East Asia. that's probably not going to happen soon.

MIA-South Asia then?

Geminijets101 · Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:10 pm

Please don't say MIA - East Asia. that's probably not going to happen soon.

MAH4546 · Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:10 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
Please don't say MIA - East Asia. that's probably not going to happen soon.

Maybe, maybe not.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/tourism-ch ... in-a-year/

Geminijets101 · Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:24 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Please don't say MIA - East Asia. that's probably not going to happen soon.

Maybe, maybe not.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/tourism-ch ... in-a-year/

What about that airline David Neeleman is working on?

jbpdx · Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:10 pm

When did AA drop SLC-MIA?

PlanesNTrains · Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:13 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Please don't say MIA - East Asia. that's probably not going to happen soon.

Maybe, maybe not.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/tourism-ch ... in-a-year/

What about that airline David Neeleman is working on?

He didn't make it sound like MIA was a focus, but frankly I'm thinking it should and could be an early focus city. CS100/CS300/A320/A321 - oh the dreams that can be made by armchair route planners. (I left out the 787 to avoid getting A.net all worked up).

Geminijets101 · Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:52 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

Maybe, maybe not.

https://www.thenextmiami.com/tourism-ch ... in-a-year/

What about that airline David Neeleman is working on?

He didn't make it sound like MIA was a focus, but frankly I'm thinking it should and could be an early focus city. CS100/CS300/A320/A321 - oh the dreams that can be made by armchair route planners. (I left out the 787 to avoid getting A.net all worked up).

Do you think it will fly to FLL or MIA? Or both

Midex717 · Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:42 am

MKE-MIA on American Airlines.

Geminijets101 · Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:06 am

Midex717 wrote:
MKE-MIA on American Airlines.

Just noticed that AA doesn’t fly there. Same as SLC

Cunard · Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:42 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:

What about that airline David Neeleman is working on?

He didn't make it sound like MIA was a focus, but frankly I'm thinking it should and could be an early focus city. CS100/CS300/A320/A321 - oh the dreams that can be made by armchair route planners. (I left out the 787 to avoid getting A.net all worked up).

Do you think it will fly to FLL or MIA? Or both

Come on don't you think that's a bit of a premature question to ask at this point!

PlanesNTrains · Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:49 am

Cunard wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

He didn't make it sound like MIA was a focus, but frankly I'm thinking it should and could be an early focus city. CS100/CS300/A320/A321 - oh the dreams that can be made by armchair route planners. (I left out the 787 to avoid getting A.net all worked up).

Do you think it will fly to FLL or MIA? Or both

Come on don't you think that's a bit of a premature question to ask at this point!

For this thread, it probably is. (And yes, I think MIA :-)

).

jbpdx · Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:51 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
Midex717 wrote:
MKE-MIA on American Airlines.

Just noticed that AA doesn’t fly there. Same as SLC

Interesting that AA dropping SLC-MIA didn’t ever show up on the OAG updates.

Geminijets101 · Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:50 am

What about MIA-PDX? What are the chances of that?

T54A · Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:14 am

There was a strong rumor of a CPT-MIA about a year or so ago. That all went quiet.

Miami · Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:36 pm

There’s really not much MIA can get more at this point (that makes sense).

Asia will eventually happen as well as Africa but it’s no rush.

I’ll give a list of possibilities but it doesn’t mean it will happen so take it however you want.

Brussels, Cathay, ANA/JAL, SAA, RJ, Emirates, Etihad, Korean, Icelandair, LOT, Norwegian, Philippines, Ukraine, RAM.

Those airlines have shown interest in the past but doesn’t necessarily mean they will come.

Out of the list, MIA will be lucky to get 3 within the next few years.

Geminijets101 · Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:58 pm

Miami wrote:
There’s really not much MIA can get more at this point (that makes sense).

Asia will eventually happen as well as Africa but it’s no rush.

I’ll give a list of possibilities but it doesn’t mean it will happen so take it however you want.

Brussels, Cathay, ANA/JAL, SAA, RJ, Emirates, Etihad, Korean, Icelandair, LOT, Norwegian, Philippines, Ukraine, RAM.

Those airlines have shown interest in the past but doesn’t necessarily mean they will come.

Out of the list, MIA will be lucky to get 3 within the next few years.

That’s good. But why Emirates? They already have a good thing going at FLL... Well... from what I’ve heared.

Rajahdhani · Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:05 pm

MIA will be hampered by FLL's presence in this respect, however I would love to see AA provide greater U.S. connectivity via MIA. As is, trunk South Florida routes run to FLL (as both the LCCs and the airport's lower costs provide a haven for such services). AA has banked on international expansion, and even recently, has expanded further into the Caribbean. Future fleet arrivals will provide 737-Max8 capabilities to MIA in abundance. The natural inclination is to double-down on international destinations, however - it should be supported by adding more U.S. network access. To be certain, AA does a fantastic job of employing MIA as the 'gateway of the Americas' - that said, I hope that they do not leave a niche open for a LCC to supplant them, at MIA.

Geminijets101 · Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:27 pm

Rajahdhani wrote:
MIA will be hampered by FLL's presence in this respect, however I would love to see AA provide greater U.S. connectivity via MIA. As is, trunk South Florida routes run to FLL (as both the LCCs and the airport's lower costs provide a haven for such services). AA has banked on international expansion, and even recently, has expanded further into the Caribbean. Future fleet arrivals will provide 737-Max8 capabilities to MIA in abundance. The natural inclination is to double-down on international destinations, however - it should be supported by adding more U.S. network access. To be certain, AA does a fantastic job of employing MIA as the 'gateway of the Americas' - that said, I hope that they do not leave a niche open for a LCC to supplant them, at MIA.

Agreed.

jbpdx · Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
What about MIA-PDX? What are the chances of that?

Seems to be about 0%.

The only Oneworld presence in Portland is AA to DFW PHX ORD CLT LAX, and PHL for a few weeks in the summer.

Geminijets101 · Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:33 pm

Why is AE ending MIA-OMA?
They should be doing alright, because there are no flights to FLL from Omaha

jbpdx · Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:44 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
Why is AE ending MIA-OMA?
They should be doing alright, because there are no flights to FLL from Omaha

There are no flights PDX-FLL either.

Geminijets101 · Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:06 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Why is AE ending MIA-OMA?
They should be doing alright, because there are no flights to FLL from Omaha

There are no flights PDX-FLL either.

B6 May start that soon.

B752OS · Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:12 pm

Is AA at twice daily, year round on MIA-SEA? I am always surprised at how little service South Florida has to the Pacific Northwest. I would have assumed the market can sustain 4-5 year round, daily flights to SEA, at least year round daily to PDX and also at least year round daily to YVR.

chepos · Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:19 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
Why is AE ending MIA-OMA?
They should be doing alright, because there are no flights to FLL from Omaha

There are no flights PDX-FLL either.

B6 May start that soon.

m

B6 does not even fly FLL PHX, I just don’t see them adding FLL PDX anytime soon.

Geminijets101 · Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:26 pm

chepos wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

There are no flights PDX-FLL either.

B6 May start that soon.
m

B6 does not even fly FLL PHX, I just don’t see them adding FLL PDX anytime soon.

That could change in the near future. Anything can to be honest. :bouncy:

Miami · Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:35 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
Miami wrote:
There’s really not much MIA can get more at this point (that makes sense).

Asia will eventually happen as well as Africa but it’s no rush.

I’ll give a list of possibilities but it doesn’t mean it will happen so take it however you want.

Brussels, Cathay, ANA/JAL, SAA, RJ, Emirates, Etihad, Korean, Icelandair, LOT, Norwegian, Philippines, Ukraine, RAM.

Those airlines have shown interest in the past but doesn’t necessarily mean they will come.

Out of the list, MIA will be lucky to get 3 within the next few years.

That’s good. But why Emirates? They already have a good thing going at FLL... Well... from what I’ve heared.

And you think Emirates really minds that?

Absolutely not. Just look at their network and see how close they operate to other airports in an area. JFK/EWR for example. Of course, they are a way bigger market but just using them as example.

But let’s be real. Emirates isn’t going to Miami anytime soon. The market right now is pretty much captured.

MrNuke · Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:46 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
Why is AE ending MIA-OMA?
They should be doing alright, because there are no flights to FLL from Omaha

Loads hadn't been great.

aviationaware · Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:47 pm

Good grief, another MIA-TYO thread...

Geminijets101 · Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:57 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Good grief, another MIA-TYO thread...

We actually haven’t talked about TYO at all in this thread.

jbpdx · Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:06 pm

Geminijets101 wrote:
chepos wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:

B6 May start that soon.
m

B6 does not even fly FLL PHX, I just don’t see them adding FLL PDX anytime soon.

That could change in the near future. Anything can to be honest.

If B6 cuts back PDX-LGB as announced, they will be in retreat mode from Portland.

As for PHX, they already have multiple flights to MIA on AA.

londonistan · Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:42 pm

haven't you all got homes to go to?

londonistan · Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:44 pm

Haven't you all got homes to go to..?

Geminijets101 · Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:19 am

londonistan wrote:
Haven't you all got homes to go to..?

Nope.

jbpdx · Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:13 am

Geminijets101 wrote:
londonistan wrote:
Haven't you all got homes to go to..?

Nope.

To quote Karen Walker: “I like you.”

Geminijets101 · Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:16 am

jbpdx wrote:
Geminijets101 wrote:
londonistan wrote:
Haven't you all got homes to go to..?

Nope.

To quote Karen Walker: “I like you.”

Lmao

aemoreira1981 · Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:21 am

This is a ULH idea, but what about MIA-JNB on a B77W or a B789 for American Airlines, 3-5 times weekly? There could be feed at the JNB end in Comair (BA South Africa), and so one would not need to rely on O&D, and it would likely take traffic away from Delta Air Lines. From JNB to MIA is 7005 nmi as the crow flies. Right now, the links to South Africa are restricted to daily on DL on a B77L from ATL and daily on SA on an A346 from JFK. I would say that the Boeing 777-300ER would be a better choice because JNB is hot and high.

Geminijets101 · Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:55 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
This is a ULH idea, but what about MIA-JNB on a B77W or a B789 for American Airlines, 3-5 times weekly? There could be feed at the JNB end in Comair (BA South Africa), and so one would not need to rely on O&D, and it would likely take traffic away from Delta Air Lines. From JNB to MIA is 7005 nmi as the crow flies. Right now, the links to South Africa are restricted to daily on DL on a B77L from ATL and daily on SA on an A346 from JFK. I would say that the Boeing 777-300ER would be a better choice because JNB is hot and high.

Doubt they would use a 789

ac888yow · Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:55 pm

There was a time when MIA-YOW was supposedly on AA/Eagle's radar. Not sure if there's any current traction on that.

Miami · Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:28 am

MIA-Africa will happen. Eventually...

And yes, American has interest. But we must wait for more 787s to arrive before we can predict the possibility.

CarlosSi · Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:32 am

As a South/Central/Latin American hub, haven't really seen much expansion to new cities there, if anything routes cut (SGAS, SBPA, SBRF ... which others?).

I guess aside from those, most of South America is already covered.

rock45 · Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:40 am

He didn't make it sound like MIA become a focus, however frankly i am thinking it need to and may be an early focus town.

GSP psgr · Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:23 am

I'll throw a few ideas out:

Narrowbody
YVR, SNA, BUF, PVD, MHT, ALB, MKE, ADZ, BGA, REC, SSA, NAT, ASU, DAV

Widebody
JNB/CPT, NRT, PEK/PVG, WAW, MAN, ADD, KEF, CGN, TXL

mia · Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:21 pm

MIA-COR seems reasonable.

And I think they would be demand for MIA-LPA to come back or a try at a MIA-TFS.

MAH4546 · Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:42 pm

CarlosSi wrote:
As a South/Central/Latin American hub, haven't really seen much expansion to new cities there, if anything routes cut (SGAS, SBPA, SBRF ... which others?).

I guess aside from those, most of South America is already covered.

LATAM just added back Salvador.

AA had just added Cartagena and Bonaire, and also adding Pereira, Córdoba, Georgetown and St. Vincent this winter.

I also expect LATAM to add Belo Horizonte following AA's surprising exit.

CarlosSi · Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:19 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
As a South/Central/Latin American hub, haven't really seen much expansion to new cities there, if anything routes cut (SGAS, SBPA, SBRF ... which others?).

I guess aside from those, most of South America is already covered.

LATAM just added back Salvador.

AA had just added Cartagena and Bonaire, and also adding Pereira, Córdoba, Georgetown and St. Vincent this winter.

I also expect LATAM to add Belo Horizonte following AA's surprising exit.

I stand corrected.

BoeingGuy · Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:18 pm

mia wrote:
MIA-COR seems reasonable.

And I think they would be demand for MIA-LPA to come back or a try at a MIA-TFS.

AA agrees it’s reasonable. They are starting MIA-COR next April.

Geminijets101 · Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:51 am

rock45 wrote:
He didn't make it sound like MIA become a focus, however frankly i am thinking it need to and may be an early focus town.

Will moxy even fly to MIA?

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