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janders wrote:Good. Congrats Boeing and Fedex.
What happens to the 777 freighters when 777X line is in full swing?
janders wrote:Good. Congrats Boeing and Fedex.
What happens to the 777 freighters when 777X line is in full swing?
airzona11 wrote:Great to see orders for both these planes. Still lots of MD11s/A300s to be retired and nothing in the pipeline from A or B to replace them.
wedgetail737 wrote:airzona11 wrote:Great to see orders for both these planes. Still lots of MD11s/A300s to be retired and nothing in the pipeline from A or B to replace them.
Fedex still has MD-10's (DC-10's) to retire.
lightsaber wrote:janders wrote:Good. Congrats Boeing and Fedex.
What happens to the 777 freighters when 777X line is in full swing?
Mitsubishi is on contract to produce 777 metal wings as long is there is demand on a certain allowed ramp down rate.
Eventually there will be a 778F. That plane is perfect for hauling cargo. But Boeing and GE want to keep the GE,90 powered 777 in production to reduce the manufacturing cost of spare parts as that increases profits.
Lightsaber
janders wrote:Good. Congrats Boeing and Fedex.
What happens to the 777 freighters when 777X line is in full swing?
mjoelnir wrote:lightsaber wrote:janders wrote:Good. Congrats Boeing and Fedex.
What happens to the 777 freighters when 777X line is in full swing?
Mitsubishi is on contract to produce 777 metal wings as long is there is demand on a certain allowed ramp down rate.
Eventually there will be a 778F. That plane is perfect for hauling cargo. But Boeing and GE want to keep the GE,90 powered 777 in production to reduce the manufacturing cost of spare parts as that increases profits.
Lightsaber
A bit of hype around a possible 777-8F. It would most likely have a significant higher OEW compared to a 777F, combined with a similar MTOW. I assume the 777F will have a long life and we will perhaps never see a 777-8F.
airzona11 wrote:Still lots of MD11s/A300s to be retired and nothing in the pipeline from A or B to replace them.
Channex757 wrote:FX also won't be affected by the wing cracking issue on the 767W at the moment, as they don't operate wingleted 767s.
Newbiepilot wrote:That will help fill the production bridge to the 777x. The freight market picked up just in time to extend the life of the 767F, 777F and 747F. Without the booming freight market the 767 line would exclusively be for tankers, 777 production rates would be lower and the 747 production line would have already closed.
Channex757 wrote:FX also won't be affected by the wing cracking issue on the 767W at the moment, as they don't operate wingleted 767s. That's one positive for them as well. No point paying for winglets if there isn't any need for them on the FX fleet, and it might have saved them even more money if the remedial work becomes expensive and time-consuming.
That issue aside, I'm pleasantly surprised at one of my favourite hard-workers getting its second life as new-build freighters. Still plenty of mileage in the 767-300ERF
dispatchguy wrote:Channex757 wrote:FX also won't be affected by the wing cracking issue on the 767W at the moment, as they don't operate wingleted 767s.
They had one aircraft that they dewingleted (if that is a word).
Stitch wrote:airzona11 wrote:Still lots of MD11s/A300s to be retired and nothing in the pipeline from A or B to replace them.
The 767-300 will lift more payload volume and more payload weight than an A300-600RF and fly it farther. Ditto the 777 Freighter and the MD-11F.
Spacepope wrote:dispatchguy wrote:Channex757 wrote:FX also won't be affected by the wing cracking issue on the 767W at the moment, as they don't operate wingleted 767s.
They had one aircraft that they dewingleted (if that is a word).
Which one? I'm curios about this.
Max Q wrote:Channex757 wrote:FX also won't be affected by the wing cracking issue on the 767W at the moment, as they don't operate wingleted 767s. That's one positive for them as well. No point paying for winglets if there isn't any need for them on the FX fleet, and it might have saved them even more money if the remedial work becomes expensive and time-consuming.
That issue aside, I'm pleasantly surprised at one of my favourite hard-workers getting its second life as new-build freighters. Still plenty of mileage in the 767-300ERF
Wing cracking issue?
Bricktop wrote:Newbiepilot wrote:. I still wish that UA had ordered more 767s.
aemoreira1981 wrote:FedEx really wants to simplify its fleet to 3 types. Might they consider the B737-800BCF?
aemoreira1981 wrote:Spacepope wrote:dispatchguy wrote:
They had one aircraft that they dewingleted (if that is a word).
Which one? I'm curios about this.
N297FE, which was purchased secondhand from Silk Way West after just 3 years of service with that freight carrier. (The other one purchased secondhand from Silk Way West, N298FE, did not have winglets.) FedEx had operated 3 other wingleted B763s, but they had been leased from LATAM Airlines Group on a 3-year lease and have since been returned to LATAM.
FriscoHeavy wrote:Fantastic news. This order adds 3-4 months worth of 777 production. Boeing must be at or near enough 777 orders to bridge the gap until the 77X. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'd like to know how many outstanding 777 orders there are versus production slots available that will allow for that production gap to be fully covered, if it's not already.
Thanks!
CX747 wrote:FriscoHeavy wrote:Fantastic news. This order adds 3-4 months worth of 777 production. Boeing must be at or near enough 777 orders to bridge the gap until the 77X. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'd like to know how many outstanding 777 orders there are versus production slots available that will allow for that production gap to be fully covered, if it's not already.
Thanks!
In one of the news articles, it was reported that the new Fedex 777 order would begin after the production gap requirement. So, new orders that will fill out the production line in the early to mid 2020s but not a gap filler.
That is potentially good news for us aviation lovers as it leaves additional slots to be filled by another taker! Maybe a top up order or someone similar to SWISS who was late to the 777 party but has fallen in love with the 77W.
travelhound wrote:In a couple of years time Boeing could be producing more 767's than 777's.
United_fan wrote:aemoreira1981 wrote:FedEx really wants to simplify its fleet to 3 types. Might they consider the B737-800BCF?
The 757's aren't getting any younger,and were used when FX got them.
trpmb6 wrote:travelhound wrote:In a couple of years time Boeing could be producing more 767's than 777's.
Quite possible. I imagine the airforce will allocate more funding for additional tankers. And don't forget that other branches of the military (including national guard units) all operate tankers as well. And of course there are our NATO partners and other allies who will have their eyes on them at some point.
Someone mentioned we'll be seeing the 767 in the air for a long time. I don't think they even thought about how long the government will keep those tankers flying. They'll be in the air still when my grand children are born I suspect.. and probably beyond that.
trpmb6 wrote:travelhound wrote:In a couple of years time Boeing could be producing more 767's than 777's.
Quite possible. I imagine the airforce will allocate more funding for additional tankers. And don't forget that other branches of the military (including national guard units) all operate tankers as well. And of course there are our NATO partners and other allies who will have their eyes on them at some point.
Someone mentioned we'll be seeing the 767 in the air for a long time. I don't think they even thought about how long the government will keep those tankers flying. They'll be in the air still when my grand children are born I suspect.. and probably beyond that.
ILNFlyer wrote:United_fan wrote:aemoreira1981 wrote:FedEx really wants to simplify its fleet to 3 types. Might they consider the B737-800BCF?
The 757's aren't getting any younger,and were used when FX got them.
Someone is going to develop an A321F.
cosyr wrote:janders wrote:Good. Congrats Boeing and Fedex.
What happens to the 777 freighters when 777X line is in full swing?
Same thing that is happening to the 737NG's still on order now that 737Max is being produced. I think it might even be possible to order new NG's, if an airline only wanted to add a few to their existing fleet, or at least outstanding Options.
As a side note, I was just thinking that the 767 keeps clinging onto life, but when I looked up the order and delivery chart on wikipedia, it shows that one one year since it launched in 1978 did Boeing get triple digit orders, and only 6 years did they get over 50 orders. With this FedEx order they now have a bigger backlog than they did the year they started delivering the first frames.
JayinKitsap wrote:cosyr wrote:Same thing that is happening to the 737NG's still on order now that 737Max is being produced. I think it might even be possible to order new NG's, if an airline only wanted to add a few to their existing fleet, or at least outstanding Options.
The NG's will be built for a very long time, they will be making the P-8's for a decade or more. At some point only the one line that makes the P-8's will make NG's. The other lines will all be MAX lines.
trpmb6 wrote:travelhound wrote:In a couple of years time Boeing could be producing more 767's than 777's.
Quite possible. I imagine the airforce will allocate more funding for additional tankers. And don't forget that other branches of the military (including national guard units) all operate tankers as well. And of course there are our NATO partners and other allies who will have their eyes on them at some point.
Someone mentioned we'll be seeing the 767 in the air for a long time. I don't think they even thought about how long the government will keep those tankers flying. They'll be in the air still when my grand children are born I suspect.. and probably beyond that.
airzona11 wrote:Still lots of MD11s/A300s to be retired and nothing in the pipeline from A or B to replace them.
iamlucky13 wrote:Won't any tankers allocated to the ANG be acquired through a USAF run contract then transferred? Regardless of who runs the contract though, the current KC-46 plan only includes about half as many air frames as the KC-135 fleet. Perhaps they'll shrink the total fleet further than they already have as the force strategy evolves, or choose a fleet mix with more large tankers down the road when the KC-10 replacement approaches, but it seems like a given there will be more KC-46's ordered at some point.
Even aside from the KC-46, I'm intrigued by arguments the 767 could be in production as a commercial freighter for quite a few more years still, as there's not anything in the works that really displaces it. A part of me is disappointed the A330F doesn't seem to have gained much traction, but another part is happy to see 767 orders keep trickling in.
mjoelnir wrote:A bit of hype around a possible 777-8F. It would most likely have a significant higher OEW compared to a 777F, combined with a similar MTOW. I assume the 777F will have a long life and we will perhaps never see a 777-8F.
DocLightning wrote:airzona11 wrote:Still lots of MD11s/A300s to be retired and nothing in the pipeline from A or B to replace them.
The A330F and 777F are both MD11/A300 replacements for freight operators. I'm sure that there will eventually be an A350F and 787F, but there's not a huge demand for these yet or A/B would be developing them.
The A350 is designed with a nose gear long enough that the aircraft sits flat on the ground with no nose-down attitude like the A330/A340 family (there is a veeery slight nose-down on the A350, but only barely just). There is also no upward rise in the aft main deck. I have to think that Airbus had future development/conversion to a cargo model in mind when they designed it this way.
wrenchon727 wrote:N297FE had its winglets removed by ST Aerospace in BFM flew to MEM now having the LDS cockpit installed. N298FE was completed first and is now stored in IND awaiting certification approval.
EFW & ST Aerospace have a A320/321 P2F program ready to launch. They keep C checking MD10's & repainted a couple early this year. Hopefully some of the PW powered A300 get the axe soon or lease return some early new builds.
musman9853 wrote:Not to mention the AF is going to need NEACP/AF2/E3/JSTAR/Looking Glass replacements soon