http://finance.eastmoney.com/news/1350, ... 48072.html
At China Southern's Annual General Meeting of Shareholders held in Guangzhou on June 15, the airline's high-ranking officials revealed CZ has secured its long-anticipated traffic rights to operate Beijing-London service from the Chinese capital's new mega-airport in Daxing District, and stressed that the service would be put into operation immediately after the official certificate from CAAC is issued, as per the Chinese report
Congratulations to CZ
Surely a good omen for the carrier in its aspirations to kick off its operations to a good start at Beijing New Airport, where CZ would be a major home base carrier alongside SkyTeam alliance carrier China Eastern
Currently, Air China has hogged the coveted BJS-LON route for decades among Chinese carriers, due to CAAC's controversial "One Route One Carrier" restrictive policy, which is, fortunately, to be loosened very soon, according to latest revised regulations governing traffic rights for long-haul international routes
Very hopefully, CZ would put to productive use at Beijing New Airport its jumbos of A380s that have been underutilized for years due to a paucity of popular trunk routes like PEK-AMS
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By London I assume LHR, I thought there were no slots available for LHR and you have to buy them at a very high price if a slot gets free so any idea how much was this slot sold for?
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Slash787 wrote:By London I assume LHR, I thought there were no slots available for LHR and you have to buy them at a very high price if a slot gets free so any idea how much was this slot sold for?
That is why this isn't really big news. Unless CAAC is going to buy slots, if there are any for sale or force another carrier to divest slots, it will be a little while before China Southern operates into LHR.
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Great news ! The Chinese airlines don't seem to have much difficulty getting into LHR with all the recent new flights, so I don't see why CZ can't put an extra daily flight in either. Otherwise, I'm sure LGW would welcome another new China service too.
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There is still slots fir evening departures from Heathrow which work for China given time difference.
I agree the A380 will be on its way
I agree the A380 will be on its way
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mmo wrote:Slash787 wrote:By London I assume LHR, I thought there were no slots available for LHR and you have to buy them at a very high price if a slot gets free so any idea how much was this slot sold for?
That is why this isn't really big news. Unless CAAC is going to buy slots, if there are any for sale or force another carrier to divest slots, it will be a little while before China Southern operates into LHR.
Regarding your last comment, you do realise that China Southern currently fly into LHR 10 times a week with 7 flights on a daily basis to Guangzhou and 3 times a week to Wuhan on a B772.
China Southern also fly 4 times a week freighter service with a B777F from London Stansted to Guangzhou via Frankfurt.
MAG and London Stansted have recently stated that they intend securing a Chinese link with a Chinese airline in the foreseeable future and considering that China Southern already use the airport STN could well be a good contender for the new Beijing flight so the London airport might not necessarily be LHR especially if suitable slots are unavailable.
I'm sure that LGW would also like to gain China Southern and Beijing to it's growing portfolio of long haul airlines and destinations.
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Cunard wrote:mmo wrote:Regarding your last comment, you do realise that China Southern currently fly into LHR 10 times a week with 7 flights on a daily basis to Guangzhou and 3 times a week to Wuhan on a B772.
787-8 not 772. CZ doesn't have 772s in pax config anymore.
Michael
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eamondzhang wrote:Cunard wrote:mmo wrote:Regarding your last comment, you do realise that China Southern currently fly into LHR 10 times a week with 7 flights on a daily basis to Guangzhou and 3 times a week to Wuhan on a B772.
787-8 not 772. CZ doesn't have 772s in pax config anymore.
Michael
Yes I do apologise, my mistake regarding the aircraft type being a B772 rather than a B787-8 I should have known better as I only saw one approaching LHR last Thursday.
China Southern have never flown to LHR with a B772, since they first started flying from Guangzhou to LHR in 2015 it has always been on a B787-8.
I appreciate the correction
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Cunard wrote:eamondzhang wrote:Cunard wrote:
787-8 not 772. CZ doesn't have 772s in pax config anymore.
Michael
Yes I do apologise, my mistake regarding the aircraft type being a 787-8 rather than a 772, I should have known better as I only saw one approaching LHR last Thursday.
China Southern have never flown to LHR with a B772, since they first started flying from Guangzhou to LHR in 2015 it has always been on a B787-8.
I appreciate the correction
No worries at all. IIRC CZ operated A332s (PW engine version only since they have F class) into LHR before enough 788s are delivered so it's not entirely a 787 history for CZ.
I believe CAN-LHR would be one of the first routes for A350 when it joins the fleet.
Michael
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No doubt CZ would prefer to fly into LHR as the preferred airport for its London service
It is to start a twice weekly A332 service to LHR from CAN via Sanya City of Hainan Province beginning July 12 very shortly
CZ651 CAN0910 – 1045SYX1315 – 1845LHR 332 47
CZ652 LHR2210 – 1600+1SYX1855+1 – 2020+1CAN 332 47
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2018/
According to Chinese press, this SYX-LHR service will be the 1st intercontinental route to Europe from island Hainan Province, also the region's 2nd intercontinental nonstop service after HAK-SYD on Hainan Airlines
Following CAAC's relaxation of the "One Route One Carrier" policy, other popular intercontinental long-haul routes out of BJS would also be up for grabs for Chinese carriers, particularly those airlines that would relocate to Beijing New Airport.
For instance BJS-CDG, BJS-MXP, BJS-FRA, BJS-MUC, BJS-NYC, BJS-LAX, BJS-IAD, BJS-YVR etc
China Southern and China Eastern stand a good chance to open these routes
It is to start a twice weekly A332 service to LHR from CAN via Sanya City of Hainan Province beginning July 12 very shortly
CZ651 CAN0910 – 1045SYX1315 – 1845LHR 332 47
CZ652 LHR2210 – 1600+1SYX1855+1 – 2020+1CAN 332 47
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2018/
According to Chinese press, this SYX-LHR service will be the 1st intercontinental route to Europe from island Hainan Province, also the region's 2nd intercontinental nonstop service after HAK-SYD on Hainan Airlines
Following CAAC's relaxation of the "One Route One Carrier" policy, other popular intercontinental long-haul routes out of BJS would also be up for grabs for Chinese carriers, particularly those airlines that would relocate to Beijing New Airport.
For instance BJS-CDG, BJS-MXP, BJS-FRA, BJS-MUC, BJS-NYC, BJS-LAX, BJS-IAD, BJS-YVR etc
China Southern and China Eastern stand a good chance to open these routes
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Moreover, CZ is highly likely to launch PER, NBO and other brand new destinations out of BJS by leveraging the links it already serves to its advantage at its home base CAN
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I'd hope they'd use the A350, since it will come with the same Business Class seat as El Al's 787's. Both LHR and LGW could work for the airline.
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OA940 wrote:I'd hope they'd use the A350, since it will come with the same Business Class seat as El Al's 787's. Both LHR and LGW could work for the airline.
Considering that China Southern already fly from LHR it's not a case of ''could work for the airline'' it obviously does as they have been flying into LHR since 2013.
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While there seems to be nothing substantially new with this belated paywalled Aviationweek report China Southern Gets Approval For London–Beijing Route, it does put LHR as a more likely airport for CZ’s LON-BJS service by suggesting a possibility that CZ might profitably reallocate its existing slots at LHR to its Beijing routing
Must say that’s entirely possible given the slot crunch at LHR
As of now, CZ operates LHR-WUH, LHR-CAN, plus the upcoming LHR-SYX on July 12 next month
Must say that’s entirely possible given the slot crunch at LHR
As of now, CZ operates LHR-WUH, LHR-CAN, plus the upcoming LHR-SYX on July 12 next month
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Perhaps off topic... but, this airline deserves prosperity! I flew them FEB 2017 to and from SYD and you can see how hard they are trying to become a 5 star premium carrier. 787, A380 and A330 I flew were all fantastic and clean. Crew both in the air and on the ground delivered excellent service. They also even came up to me to complete reviews. I don’t consider airline food anything special. However, food I must say was great! I usually like to order my meals so I know what I’m getting and love a good Indian vegetarian option. I must say it was Indian all the way even via CAN. Unlike Air China, whose caterers in PEK considered an Indian meal to be sticky rice and a few kidney beans (non-curried form and I guess came out the tin).
IFE was considerably good and better than Air China. Improvements would make it brilliant!
Wishing them the very best.
IFE was considerably good and better than Air China. Improvements would make it brilliant!
Wishing them the very best.
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