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AntonioMartin wrote:Wonder what's the hook for SAN-GEG to have flights...
Students going to San Diego for the beach and Mexico? Some industry popping up in Spokane? Or on the contrary, students flying to Gonzaga and side trips to Canada??
32andBelow wrote:No one books a ticket by a press release. They go on kayak or the airline website and type in the city pair.
gmcc wrote:Looking at the flight numbers AS3462 SAN-GEG, evening arrival in Spokane, and AS3416 GEG-SAN, morning departure from Spokane, it looks like the plane will be RON in Spokane. I guess there is more room in Spokane than in San Diego for RONing the plane. Also since it is currently an OO flight based on the 3400 series flight number does OO has a maintenance or crew base in Spokane which would also explain keeping the plane in Spokane overnight.
SANFan wrote:Good news: AS is beginning nonstop service between SAN and GEG (Spokane) on Oct 1 with a daily EMJ roundtrip! (It's in the schedules.)
Bad news: to the best of my knowledge there has been no announcement by the carrier of this new route. In fact, I have no idea how long the route has been for sale.
Is this part of the new AS? Starting new routes but not bothering to let anybody know about them? How many more new routes are out there but no one has stumbled across them yet?
Can anyone shed any light on this strange occurrence? My only other thought is that this is another case of a premature release (can I say that on A.net?!) of a route before it was supposed to be? I know this has happened before.
Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to see another new route from SAN, one that has been flown before by the airline and is overdue for reappearance. And I suspected something was coming because the August 26 schedule release of a few days ago left a gap in SAN that meant a new, unannounced route was due. But this is not how I expected it to show up...
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gmcc wrote:Looking at the flight numbers AS3462 SAN-GEG, evening arrival in Spokane, and AS3416 GEG-SAN, morning departure from Spokane, it looks like the plane will be RON in Spokane. I guess there is more room in Spokane than in San Diego for RONing the plane. Also since it is currently an OO flight based on the 3400 series flight number does OO has a maintenance or crew base in Spokane which would also explain keeping the plane in Spokane overnight.
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:SAN is a O&D city for AS not a connection hub. Anyway there is no way that AS is going want to connect anyone on EWR-SEA-GEG. Look it up on gcmap it's a rediculous amount of miles from the northeast corner down to the southwest corner back up to the northwest corner.
32andBelow wrote:So it sounds like a MX rotation that AS believe they can fill. As long as they make 0 dollars and lose not a lot I think they’ll be happy
n7371f wrote:100% incorrect.32andBelow wrote:So it sounds like a MX rotation that AS believe they can fill. As long as they make 0 dollars and lose not a lot I think they’ll be happy
32andBelow wrote:n7371f wrote:100% incorrect.32andBelow wrote:So it sounds like a MX rotation that AS believe they can fill. As long as they make 0 dollars and lose not a lot I think they’ll be happy
Yah that 1x RON turn is gonna be what then? Lol. Come on bro.
SANFan wrote:All of this curiosity about "why SAN-GEG?" and nobody's bothered to post the DOT traffic stats. Until now. The average pax traffic for all of 2017 between SAN and GEG was 130 PDEW! That's an extremely healthy number of pax, especially for a 76-seat EMJ! (And probably explains why WN even made an attempt at it last summer.) I have no idea what the 'hook" (connection) might be between SAN and GEG but there obviously is one since ~130 people fly the route each day in each direction!
I've posted a lot about this topic on several threads except this one since it didn't see any interest until this evening. And there seems to be an indication that the official AAG announcement will be tomorrow. It's quite possible that other routes will be announced as well. At least we already have a thread ready to go!
A couple of comments. First, I see that some people seem to see no purpose for a press release for this new route. That's irrelevant since AS always issues press releases for new routes. That's why I was confused as to why there was none today when the flight appeared in the schedules. The PR lets airports, potential pax, potential freight shippers, and anyone else who might be interested, know that there will now be a nonstop roundtrip between 2 particular cities.
There is no mx on either end of this route. The a/c will fly from GEG to SAN every morning then fly to STL and be worked into the network, getting to an mx base at some point. There is a SkyWest domicile in SAN so the crew will change there.
And yes, SAN is pretty well filled up regarding RON spots for AAG -- 13 currently and all summer -- so this schedule was put together to RON the EMJ somewhere else - namely GEG.
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slcdeltarumd11 wrote:SAN is a O&D city for AS not a connection hub. Anyway there is no way that AS is going want to connect anyone on EWR-SEA-GEG. Look it up on gcmap it's a rediculous amount of miles from the northeast corner down to the southwest corner back up to the northwest corner.
MIflyer12 wrote:slcdeltarumd11 wrote:SAN is a O&D city for AS not a connection hub. Anyway there is no way that AS is going want to connect anyone on EWR-SEA-GEG. Look it up on gcmap it's a rediculous amount of miles from the northeast corner down to the southwest corner back up to the northwest corner.
I think you meant EWR-SAN-GEG.
You might be surprised at allowable routings EWR-GEG. They can control seat count thru fare bucket availability and married segment availability. AA allows EWR-PHX-GEG as a single fare component. PHX is not exactly on a Great Circle route. They even allow double connections: EWR-DFW-PHX-GEG.
MIflyer12 wrote:slcdeltarumd11 wrote:SAN is a O&D city for AS not a connection hub. Anyway there is no way that AS is going want to connect anyone on EWR-SEA-GEG. Look it up on gcmap it's a rediculous amount of miles from the northeast corner down to the southwest corner back up to the northwest corner.
I think you meant EWR-SAN-GEG.
You might be surprised at allowable routings EWR-GEG. They can control seat count thru fare bucket availability and married segment availability. AA allows EWR-PHX-GEG as a single fare component. PHX is not exactly on a Great Circle route. They even allow double connections: EWR-DFW-PHX-GEG.
dc10lover wrote:You can bet the 737 - 700 will be used soon as an upgrade.
dc10lover wrote:You can bet the 737 - 700 will be used soon as an upgrade.
amcnd wrote:I predict you will see more OO West Coast flights. They need to place the 5 aircraft that are doing the DCA/LGA flights somewhere...
32andBelow wrote:dc10lover wrote:You can bet the 737 - 700 will be used soon as an upgrade.
How many 700s are still flying in the lower 48? It seems like they are flying most of the intra alaska flights these days.
wedgetail737 wrote:amcnd wrote:I predict you will see more OO West Coast flights. They need to place the 5 aircraft that are doing the DCA/LGA flights somewhere...
They may hold off to see what happens to PAE. Maybe some of those 175's will replace the CRJ's flying within Alaska's system right now.
SANFan wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:amcnd wrote:I predict you will see more OO West Coast flights. They need to place the 5 aircraft that are doing the DCA/LGA flights somewhere...
They may hold off to see what happens to PAE. Maybe some of those 175's will replace the CRJ's flying within Alaska's system right now.
I assume those 5 EMJs flying to DCA and LGA were earmarked to go to PAE; now that that's on hold, AAG shouldn't have too much trouble finding uses for them. (And I'd be happy to make suggestions if they can't come up with any ideas themselves:. a second SAN-STS r/t, 3 or 4 r/t between SAN & OAK -- a glaring missing route on AS's intra-CA network, SAN-ELP, I could go on... Heck, there might even be some possible routes not involving SAN that might work!)
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wedgetail737 wrote:They need to replace the Q400's on the STS-LAX and STS-SEA routes with E-175's. Plus they need to replace the unimpressive CRJ-200's with the E-175's.