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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:13 pm

Lufthansa sometimes still boards long-haul aircraft from stairs at FRA in case of expected departure delays which otherwise might push the flight behind the 2300 night curfew at FRA. There is a short article and also a video about their hub control center available on https://magazin.lufthansa.com/xx/en/avi ... the-skies/

The reasoning is that the passengers can be sent by busses to the apron position with all pre-boarding checks already completed, and then just be released the moment the aircraft is also ready for boarding.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:13 pm

Just 1 year ago, I boarded an Air China 747-8 via stairs at Beijing Capital. The old Doha International had no jetways, so you'd also have the opportunity to board fairly large aircraft (A340-600, B77W) via stairs there. And, of course, Istanbul Ataturk is bursting at the seams, so boarding TK 77Ws via stairs is a more common affair than not.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:14 pm

I don't think this has been mentioned yet but all of ORDs international arrivals (widebodies/narrowbodies ect) used airstairs between the time they demolished the old international terminal 1 around 1984 and T5 opening in 1993. All arriving passengers were bused to terminal 4 (located in the parking garage) where they cleared customs.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:15 pm

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I just love when I have to board with stairs. Give me stairs anyday over a jet bridge. Especially on the 747 and boarding a long haul flight. Knowing this piece of metal is going to be airborne for 12+ hours over the Atlantic Ocean.


Seconded. Probably the only time the average flyer has a close-up exposure to the aircraft. Such a shame that most US airports stick with jetways...
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:50 pm

Ahmedabad, India (AMD) had staris for B747
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:55 pm

OA412 wrote:
The old ATH had no air bridges, so all boarding and deplaning was via stairs.

FCO and MXP both used stairs for widebodies back in 1990 when I flew through. I don't know what the situation is like today, but back then, most of AZs 742s at FCO were parked at remote stands. In fact, I only recall seeing foreign carriers parked at the air bridges at FCO (CP D10, TW L10 and 741, and PA 741).


Yes, I remember flying a BA L1011 LGW-ATH and back using air stairs in ATH
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:00 pm

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TMccrury wrote:
At one time AKL used stairs as well. My family boarded an Air New Zealand DC10 that way.


AKL - did even International have bridges at all, before Ansett turned up to challenge ANZ? Certainly Domestic didn't.

Scrolling through the thread I don't see mention of PPT, which had lots of 747 traffic and hardly an enclosed terminal let alone bridges.



I was to young to fully remember. But do think you are correct in that. The DC10 we boarded took us to SYD. We then continued on to JKT but don't remember on what airline. I want to say Qantas. But yes, that was many moons ago and I've slept since then.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:08 pm

Flying DL's L10s to BDA as a kid from BOS, we boarded and deplaned at BDA via air stairs.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:20 pm

At MSY, DL used the old Concourse D. I know in 1974, the end of D was expanded to accommodate widebody aircraft. I believe the old jetways on the original part of D (built in 1959) could still handle the L10, but would restrict usage of adjacent gates. That entire concourse was torn down about 20 years ago and replaced with the current concourse D.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:24 pm

In the early 90s we were hours late on a TWA B747 from FRA to JFK, weren't provided with a gate and deplaned via people-movers from a remote stand; not quite stairs but an unusual experience especially since coach class deplaned via the rear exit door.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:49 pm

In about 1982 I remember arriving in Minneapolis (MSP) in the middle of winter on a 747 flight from London. We used stairs to the tarmac and walked to the customs hall. I was in transit to Phoenix and dressed appropriately for that, so this was quite a shock.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:55 pm

Also in MAD, when in the South Pier of T1 (A gates), one can always see Wamos 747s and Plus Ultra A340s in remote positions. I haven't see them being boarded or disembarked, but this makes me guess that pax are bussed to the planes.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:00 pm

In June 1978 as a 13 year old boy I walked out of BA747-136 G-AWNH and down the steps onto the ramp at Kindley Field, Bermuda. The sensation of warm humid air, trade wind breeze, whistling APU and the intoxicating aroma of jet fuel remains with me to this day.

In March 2003 I had the unexpected pleasure of ascending the steps to BA747-436 G-CIVW at LHR (cant remember if it was T3 or T4). It was my first ever flight in Club Upper Deck and walking the stairs all the way to the top was rather fun!
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:12 pm

In 2005 April, I was deboarded via stairs from a B777 in LHR.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:37 pm

For those interested, a few shots of wide bodies with stairs at NCE, BCN and ORY:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/aeroports/albums/72157696224085621
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:28 pm

Don't have to go that far on time.

Even today is fairly common to get a remote stand in FRA, almost every morning you can spot 2 or 3 widebodies.

I've experiencied it on LH and UA this year at FRA
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:29 pm

My best experience was walking out to greet our KLM MD11 at Bonaire in 2003. A superb aircraft in a great colour scheme.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:59 pm

I deplaned a BA 747-400 on JFK-LHR on the ramp at LHR... Not sure how common this is but I believe it was back in 2008
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:28 pm

727LOVER wrote:
n729pa wrote:
We used stairs for the Lufthansa 744s at TXL last year when they were using them on the FRA runs.

Years ago, 1986 I remember stairs at ORD boarding at BA 747. Seem to recall the international flights lined up with stairs including a SN DC10



1986?...That late? WOW !


Since they were using the "temp" international terminal -- on the ground floor of the parking garage and bused to your flight (and old, old T1 before that) -- I don't think ORD boarded any int'l carriers (except for AA or UA partners*) via skybridge until 1993.

* Don't know if that happened back then, since you were boarding your BA flight thru the intl terminal, not AA.
 
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:48 pm

In Colombia there is a daily Avianca B788 landing at CTG and there is no bridges at CTG, and also KLM landing their B789 at CTG.

Last year I landed at FRA in a LH A340-300 inbound from BOG, no gate for us, we use stairs.
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Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:56 pm

I deboarded an Eastern L-1011 at SDQ through the stairs in 1981, then on the return flight also an L-1011, boarded through the stairs and then, at SJU, maybe all the gates were occupied because we also deboarded using Eastern's logo'd stairs. (I wish i could but one of those for my airline memorabilia collection)!
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:11 am

Just last October i disembarked an AA 777 at BCN via stairs. We were on a jetway equipped gate but used stairs for some reason on arrival.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:52 am

I remembered boarding TG 747 with the stairs several time when Don Muang was still the Bangkok main airport. Also last year at BKK, boarded TG747 via the jetway stairs.

Also deboarding BG DC-10 by the stairs at DAC.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:49 am

Ufsatp wrote:
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I think I boarded a DL L1011 with airstairs at OGG back in the late 80's.


I want to say I did the same on a UA DC10.


AA flew the DC10 into OGG at the same time.

As mentioned earlier, KOA used airstairs. I flew into KOA on a UA 742 in late 2001 and the flight back was upgauged to a 744 (KOA-SFO) on day of departure. My destination was LAX and IIRC the 757 flying nonstop there was parked right beside us but of course I wanted to fly the 747 so I didn't mind connecting. F and J were full but I had an entire row of center seats to myself in the back.

Didn't UA fly the DC10 into LIH after the DC8 was retired? I have never flown into LIH but I would imagine they didn't have jetways in the early 1990s.

UA flew the 747 and DC10 into ITO in the 70s and 80s. I have never been there so I am not sure if they had jetways or not but probably not.

I found a pic of HNL in 1971 showing jetways but here is a pic dated 1973 of AA's 707 using stairs with the CO logo so perhaps CO used them for their widebodies. Here is the pic and the one below it is KOA.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:09 am

I climbed stairs to an AF 747 in NCE in 1990.
There was a lot of stair climbing in CDG in mid-aughts after the roof collapsed in the new 2E (or 2F, can't remember). and people were being bused all over the airport.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:13 am

The last time I flew in and out of SJC, we boarded by stairs. That was in 2006-ish. Granted, it was a 737, not a widebody, but all of the times I went through SJC, I never remembered a single set of airstairs (again, each time a 737, MD-80, or CRJ, never a super big bird). I'm guessing this has changed considering they've expanded quite a bit since then?
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:43 am

Not sure if it is mentioned already but Palma (PMI) used airstairs for widebodies at remote stands in the 80s when I spent a week there.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:57 am

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The very weird coincidence was that I stopped on the stairs and turned around to have my photo taken. The serial number can easily be seen — 17119, better known as TWA 800. (If someone can tell me how to post pictures, I’ll post it here)


Dave - I've also flown aboard N93119, from LAX to LHR in September 1985. However 17119 is not a "serial number"...it is called a fleet number or ship number.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:16 am

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I have no idea about outside the USA....but in the USA

The only one I know for sure is CLT

My analysis on others

MIA - when the 747 arrived in 1970, I think all the gates had bridges.

JAX - opened in 1968, all gates had bridges

TPA - new terminal opened before the tri-jets flew. Not sure if any airline brought in the 747 before April, `971

MCO - I think this is one. The jetways, I think, started showing up around 1976/77. National, Eastern & Delta had tri-jets in way before that

PBI - not sure about this one. DL terminal opened in 1974 with the bridges. Not sure when the main terminal got bridges
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ATL - hmmmmm...well DL had bridges from the opening of the 1961 terminal (BEFORE actually)......Eastern, I believe, put the jetways on
Concourse A specifically for the L-1011. Don't know about Northwest Orient & the DC-10

JFK - The questionable terminals would be 1,2,3,& 4


Airports like MSY, BUF, DTW, STL or CLE...I have no idea


I thought PanAm T3 expansione was for the 747.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:09 am

N200WN wrote:
SAN had no jetways until the late 1970’s - AA and UA DC-10’s and DL L-1011’s all used airstairs.


Yes, and I recall flying LAX - SAN on a DL L-1011. A lot of flights were tag ons from LAX.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:29 am

bmacleod wrote:
Don't know if mobile lounges count as opposed to jetways but due to its layout Mirabel likely also needed boarding stairs for 747s.



Is this a promo shot or legit? Never seen pax scattered all over the ramp like that before and headed in all directions. Even walkers on The Walking Dead tend to follow in herds....

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:34 am

Still an almost daily sight at PEK when CA's 747 came from a domestic port and continue to an international destination or vice versa.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:48 am

727LOVER wrote:
I have no idea about outside the USA....but in the USA

The only one I know for sure is CLT

My analysis on others

MIA - when the 747 arrived in 1970, I think all the gates had bridges.

JAX - opened in 1968, all gates had bridges

TPA - new terminal opened before the tri-jets flew. Not sure if any airline brought in the 747 before April, `971

MCO - I think this is one. The jetways, I think, started showing up around 1976/77. National, Eastern & Delta had tri-jets in way before that

PBI - not sure about this one. DL terminal opened in 1974 with the bridges. Not sure when the main terminal got bridges
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ATL - hmmmmm...well DL had bridges from the opening of the 1961 terminal (BEFORE actually)......Eastern, I believe, put the jetways on
Concourse A specifically for the L-1011. Don't know about Northwest Orient & the DC-10

JFK - The questionable terminals would be 1,2,3,& 4


Airports like MSY, BUF, DTW, STL or CLE...I have no idea


In ancient times, when we lived primitive, having only a 747-100 as a widebody choice, I once had to deplane via stairs, at Stapleton in Denver.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:56 am

KICT wrote:
Easter Island is stairs only. Has been since opening. Currently LAN flies there with B787 but it has been other equipment in the past, incl. A340, etc.


Latam recently used a leased Wamos 744 SCL-IPC. Stairs only at IPC as Mataveri airport is but a small roofed yard.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:59 am

Beardown91737 wrote:
Used airstairs for a 767 on DEN-LGB in 1986

AirMatt wrote:
AA flew a DC-10 to ONT during the late 90's for a short period, prior to the new terminals opening and it was a stairway. Also, I believe HA flew a DC-10 as well in the 90's.

Matt

I think HA was a L1011


In 1993/94 HA was running an L1011 but from 2002-2005 it was DC-10s and then 767s but that was after the opening of the new terminal.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:01 am

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Speaking of ONT, the CI 77W flight uses airstairs...


Only for the arrival, then it moves to Gate 212 for the outbound.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:27 am

In KUL back in the 90s LH had to park on remote stands as they had more than 2 hours ground time. When they went to a 1hour + ground time we were allowed to park at the terminal with airbridges.

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Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:15 am

When Wardair operated 747 Charters in and out of Windsor (YQG) passengers were load via air stairs.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:56 am

I wonder when ROC had DC-10 service in the early 70's,if we had a jetway ? Before my airport spotting days...
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:15 pm

SEZ - Seychelles. We frequently get the Emirati Royals and the Qatari 747's and they use the stairs.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:17 pm

Up to 1981 BOM was stairs only, for all types of aircrafts, including 747s, DC-10s, Tristars, etc.....Back in those days, also seen stairs boarding for widebodies at DEL, MAA, CCU and places like MRU, MCT, DXB....

SIN until Changi opened in the early 80s, was stairs only.....
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:18 pm

I also remember passing through Rome airport in 1980 in a 747......we were at a remote stand.....
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:10 pm

In the early 90's, I remember boarding UA DC-10s in COS - the old terminal. I don't think it was capable of wide-bodies.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:14 pm

globetrotter94 wrote:
CREST777 wrote:
I just love when I have to board with stairs. Give me stairs anyday over a jet bridge. Especially on the 747 and boarding a long haul flight. Knowing this piece of metal is going to be airborne for 12+ hours over the Atlantic Ocean.


Seconded. Probably the only time the average flyer has a close-up exposure to the aircraft. Such a shame that most US airports stick with jetways...


I love it as well. United is still in the older outdoor part of PUJ and it is very cool to board outside!
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:14 pm

Former T4 at ORD until 1993 when T5 opened. 4 "gates" (41-44, no idea why they were numbered that way) where pax would board buses and be taken to the hardstands where they would use air-stairs. That was fun in the rain or when it was 2 degrees outside.
 
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:51 pm

soflaflyer wrote:
bmacleod wrote:
Don't know if mobile lounges count as opposed to jetways but due to its layout Mirabel likely also needed boarding stairs for 747s.



Is this a promo shot or legit? Never seen pax scattered all over the ramp like that before and headed in all directions. Even walkers on The Walking Dead tend to follow in herds....

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AA 777 GRU
DL 767 ATH (old airport)
OA A300 ATH (old airport)
AM D10 CUN
IB 747 AGP


Opening day - Mirabel opened in 1975 and yes that seems a bit unusual...

http://www.djibnet.com/photo/ymx/air-canada-747-200combi-c-gaga-2635510242.html
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:34 pm

If you flew on an British Airtours L-1011 or CalAir DC-10's, for example, to any of the major holiday hotspots around the Mediterranean in the 80's & 90's boarding / disembarking via airstairs was the only option.
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Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:14 pm

lebda wrote:
The last time I flew in and out of SJC, we boarded by stairs. That was in 2006-ish. Granted, it was a 737, not a widebody, but all of the times I went through SJC, I never remembered a single set of airstairs (again, each time a 737, MD-80, or CRJ, never a super big bird). I'm guessing this has changed considering they've expanded quite a bit since then?


The first scheduled widebody service out of SJC was a UA DC-10 to DEN. This was around 1976, I believe. The terminal at the time had NO jetways.
 
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AirFiero wrote:
lebda wrote:
The last time I flew in and out of SJC, we boarded by stairs. That was in 2006-ish. Granted, it was a 737, not a widebody, but all of the times I went through SJC, I never remembered a single set of airstairs (again, each time a 737, MD-80, or CRJ, never a super big bird). I'm guessing this has changed considering they've expanded quite a bit since then?


The first scheduled widebody service out of SJC was a UA DC-10 to DEN. This was around 1976, I believe. The terminal at the time had NO jetways.


Ahh yeah, I should have phrased that a bit better. I meant that each time I flew in and out of SJC it was on one of those three narrowbodies and via airstairs. I'd definitely seen plenty of widebodies there too.

But that's interesting and answers OP's question!
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Re: Airports where pax had to use stairs to board 747, DC-10, L-1011

Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:34 pm

albertocsc wrote:
Also in MAD, when in the South Pier of T1 (A gates), one can always see Wamos 747s and Plus Ultra A340s in remote positions. I haven't see them being boarded or disembarked, but this makes me guess that pax are bussed to the planes.



I've disembarked Wamos 747s several times in the last years (>4) using stairs+buses, as they park in remote to save the bridge fees.

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