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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:58 am

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IAG CEO Willie Walsh says BA will continue to SYD and would like to return to MEL, nonstop from London to Australia is not part of the plan

https://twitter.com/ausaviation/status/ ... 69601?s=21


I am not sure what is more unlikely: IR to actually commence SYD, TK to finally commence Australia service, or BA to return to MEL. BA, TK and IR in order of unlikeliness, is my guess.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:45 am

A350OZ wrote:
qf789 wrote:
IAG CEO Willie Walsh says BA will continue to SYD and would like to return to MEL, nonstop from London to Australia is not part of the plan

https://twitter.com/ausaviation/status/ ... 69601?s=21


I am not sure what is more unlikely: IR to actually commence SYD, TK to finally commence Australia service, or BA to return to MEL. BA, TK and IR in order of unlikeliness, is my guess.


I actually think it would be interesting to see BA on something like BKK-MEL where QF only has a Jetstar option and where EK doesn't fly.
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:21 am

Sydscott wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
qf789 wrote:
IAG CEO Willie Walsh says BA will continue to SYD and would like to return to MEL, nonstop from London to Australia is not part of the plan

https://twitter.com/ausaviation/status/ ... 69601?s=21


I am not sure what is more unlikely: IR to actually commence SYD, TK to finally commence Australia service, or BA to return to MEL. BA, TK and IR in order of unlikeliness, is my guess.


I actually think it would be interesting to see BA on something like BKK-MEL where QF only has a Jetstar option and where EK doesn't fly.


That would be a good route, does BA still fly to BKK? Be good if QF codeshares too for a full service option.

Otherwise do a reverse EK/QF and have a closer JV with QR via DOH since they are maxed out on bilateral frequencies, also adds the DOH hub in both direction for extra feed. Wonder if mixed fleet would operate the A350s also?. Otherwise QR could do the same when IG receive their 787s.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:57 am

I will believe it when I see it but there is a planned skybridge to link Perth T1 area to the new train station being built.
Looks great but I don't have faith it won't end up as a road with a few zebra crossings :/

http://blog.sydney.designinc.com.au/201 ... h-airport/
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:59 am

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That would be a good route, does BA still fly to BKK? Be good if QF codeshares too for a full service option.


BA fly daily between LHR and BKK. Given the competition on HKG & SIN - MEL, BKK would seem the most likely port if they were to relaunch MEL.
 
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Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:07 am

BA on LHR - DOH - MEL, potentially, freeing up QR to open DOH - BNE? IMO, it's unlikely, but is a possibility.

Cheers,

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Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:50 am

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BA on LHR - DOH - MEL, potentially, freeing up QR to open DOH - BNE? IMO, it's unlikely, but is a possibility.

Cheers,

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:50 am

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BA on LHR - DOH - MEL, potentially, freeing up QR to open DOH - BNE? IMO, it's unlikely, but is a possibility.

Cheers,

C.


What a loss it would be. QR and BA are like night and day.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:23 am

smi0006 wrote:
have a closer JV with QR via DOH since they are maxed out on bilateral frequencies


planemanofnz wrote:
BA on LHR - DOH - MEL, potentially, freeing up QR to open DOH - BNE? IMO, it's unlikely, but is a possibility.


Bear in mind that in the vast majority of cases an airline can't codeshare on a flight it couldn't otherwise operate itself, so the BA flight would have to replace a QR-metal flight without being QR-coded in order for that frequency to be used for another port.

That being the case I can't see it happening. The economics work best for BA if the flight is effectively just a tag from an established Asian port.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:40 am

Sydscott wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
qf789 wrote:
IAG CEO Willie Walsh says BA will continue to SYD and would like to return to MEL, nonstop from London to Australia is not part of the plan

https://twitter.com/ausaviation/status/ ... 69601?s=21


I am not sure what is more unlikely: IR to actually commence SYD, TK to finally commence Australia service, or BA to return to MEL. BA, TK and IR in order of unlikeliness, is my guess.


I actually think it would be interesting to see BA on something like BKK-MEL where QF only has a Jetstar option and where EK doesn't fly.


I really can’t see it happening. They dropped MELBOURNE like a stone when Rod Eddington left.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:10 am

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I will believe it when I see it but there is a planned skybridge to link Perth T1 area to the new train station being built.
Looks great but I don't have faith it won't end up as a road with a few zebra crossings :/

http://blog.sydney.designinc.com.au/201 ... h-airport/


It actually sounds like a whole waste of money which could better spent elsewhere. The train station is not that far from the terminal, probably a couple minutes walk at most
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:28 am

Solomon Airlines is leasing a F70 from Alliance

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:18 am

Prime7 local news is reporting a company called Stratus Aviation are looking at taking on the former Jetgo route BNE-DBO. Also found this link about them looking at Wagga flights. https://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/news ... -services/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:19 am

QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:37 am

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QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Just a small correction, VH-OJT the aircraft involved is not a 744ER, just a 744.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:59 am

BA has also said they may consider codesharing on QF nonstop flights between Australia and the UK

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-airli ... KKCN1J200Z
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:39 pm

qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
I will believe it when I see it but there is a planned skybridge to link Perth T1 area to the new train station being built.
Looks great but I don't have faith it won't end up as a road with a few zebra crossings :/

http://blog.sydney.designinc.com.au/201 ... h-airport/


It actually sounds like a whole waste of money which could better spent elsewhere. The train station is not that far from the terminal, probably a couple minutes walk at most


Come on we know perth airport they would rather spend money on anything else than whats actually needed. Ie new international terminal... how longs that plan been around?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:59 pm

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Iran Air is planning to launch SYD later this year, routing will be via Asia

https://twitter.com/flightintl/status/1 ... 71776?s=21

I'll believe it when the first plane touches down in an Australian airport.

Their A332 fleet is stretched thin already; this makes it sound like they can't utilise the planes.

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Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:47 pm

https://australianaviation.com.au/ties- ... rgin-blue/

An article written 8 years ago, and worth a reflection, I think. cheers
remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:15 am

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QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:29 am

TN486 wrote:
https://australianaviation.com.au/ties-are-on-at-virgin-blue/

An article written 8 years ago, and worth a reflection, I think. cheers


While I thought the VA transition to a Qantas competitor was at it's base a good idea, I'm fairly sure I was wrong (or more realistically, I think VA botched the execution). I don't think they should have got rid of the Virgin Blue brand for one.

10 years ago Virgin Blue was easily the best low-cost airline in the country, with an actual point of difference. Jetstar was playing catch up.
Likewise, Qantas was the best (only) full service carrier in town.

Fast forward to today.
Qantas is still the #1 full service carrier.
Qantas is also now the #1 low cost carrier since Virgin ceded the market.
Virgin is now the #2 full service carrier and has lost its niche.
Virgin is now also the #2 low cost carrier - and it had to spend money to acquire another airline just to get that spot.

So Virgin is no longer the leader in any market, and Qantas is in both markets. The real irritating thing is the sheer amount of potential that VA has. The article there is actually a good summation of Borghetti's VA - appearance over substance, which is the opposite of Virgin Blue's culture (and a reason why they were so successful).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:36 am

QF57 (BNE-POM) returned to BNE today for an unknown reason

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA ... /YBBN/YBBN

As a result, the flight (and QF58 return) has been delayed until tomorrow.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:12 am

qf2220 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.

I was corrected in that it's a 744 and not an ER, which might be a help here. It means it's one of the older aircraft in the fleet and QF may have instituted an increased maintenance schedule on what is after all a hard-working set of structure on the aircraft.

There does not have to be something wrong in order to do something right.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:02 am

UA IAH-SYD will drop down to 5 weekly in August for a couple of months
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:14 am

Channex757 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.

I was corrected in that it's a 744 and not an ER, which might be a help here. It means it's one of the older aircraft in the fleet and QF may have instituted an increased maintenance schedule on what is after all a hard-working set of structure on the aircraft.

There does not have to be something wrong in order to do something right.


Here's an interesting thought....being engine #2 has -OJT ever carried 'piggybacked' a spare RR engine to a broken B744 before?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:21 am

qf2220 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.


According to the article, QF had previously identified the area as susceptible to corrosion, so decided to increase the inspection frequency.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:24 am

QF744ER wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.

I was corrected in that it's a 744 and not an ER, which might be a help here. It means it's one of the older aircraft in the fleet and QF may have instituted an increased maintenance schedule on what is after all a hard-working set of structure on the aircraft.

There does not have to be something wrong in order to do something right.


Here's an interesting thought....being engine #2 has -OJT ever carried 'piggybacked' a spare RR engine to a broken B744 before?


Why ? There is another "hard point" on the wing where the 5th engine is attached, when used for ferrying engines.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:30 am

qf2220 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.


From what I’ve been told qantas have OEM guidelines and then QF guidelines. The QF guidelines often exceed the OEM guidelines, but don’t go below them. Depends on their history with said component and risk.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:06 pm

redroo wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.


From what I’ve been told qantas have OEM guidelines and then QF guidelines. The QF guidelines often exceed the OEM guidelines, but don’t go below them. Depends on their history with said component and risk.

Agreed. And Qantas is an incredibly experienced 747 operator. with immense knowledge that the OEM could only have
guessed at in the early days. Sure, Boeing keep their finger on the pulse, and update accordingly. Could the modern trend
to outsource heavy maintenance hinder this gut feeling, or do the super big MRO outfits have similar accumulated wisdom?
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:52 pm

Deepinsider wrote:
redroo wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.


From what I’ve been told qantas have OEM guidelines and then QF guidelines. The QF guidelines often exceed the OEM guidelines, but don’t go below them. Depends on their history with said component and risk.

Agreed. And Qantas is an incredibly experienced 747 operator. with immense knowledge that the OEM could only have
guessed at in the early days. Sure, Boeing keep their finger on the pulse, and update accordingly. Could the modern trend
to outsource heavy maintenance hinder this gut feeling, or do the super big MRO outfits have similar accumulated wisdom?


The MRO will do the maintenance that customer requests, to the customers guidlines, or those of the OEM if that what the customer decides. Note that this dicovery was found on the aircraft while under going maintenance in Hong Kong.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:57 pm

Some flights to PER affected by suspected fog

TT421 MEL-PER returned to MEL
VA697 MEL-PER diverted to ADL before continuing on to PER, expected arrival just after 230am
VA474 BNE-PER diverted to MEL before continuing onto PER expected to arrive just after 3am
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:26 pm

Sounds like a terrible night to be headed to Perth. Aircraft crossing the bight westbound at FL260, just to turn around and come right back to MEL from nearly Esperance (TT421). 150kt+ wind speeds above FL300 causing many domestic flights to go low tonight. At least that turn back to Melbourne had a good push.
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:06 pm

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Some flights to PER affected by suspected fog

TT421 MEL-PER returned to MEL
VA697 MEL-PER diverted to ADL before continuing on to PER, expected arrival just after 230am
VA474 BNE-PER diverted to MEL before continuing onto PER expected to arrive just after 3am


Not sure of the flight number, but a QF 738 doing BNE-PER dropped into ADL for fuel. Combination of strong headwinds and I would assume forecast fog if that was the case. Flights heading west were low as noted above and doing around 340 knots ground speede, heading east they were doing anything up to 600 knots.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:22 pm

QF767 BNE-PER due to land at PER late as well, landing about 340am
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:46 pm

jupiter2 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
QANTAS maintenance policies catch engine pylon cracking in a 744ER. QF have halved the period recommended by the manufacturer and this caught a serious problem well before it became a safety risk

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 47-449241/


Why did Qantas decide to halve the maintenance timing compared to Boeings recommendation? Does industry think something is potentially wrong where Boeing doesnt? Im puzzled by this.


According to the article, QF had previously identified the area as susceptible to corrosion, so decided to increase the inspection frequency.


I dont see that written anywhere in that article. Or perhaps this is info from elsewhere (inside info even)?!

Im aware that operators might specify maintenance schedules to be more conservative than OEM, but there is always a reason why, and im still not sure I know what it is in this case.
 
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Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:49 pm

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Sounds like a terrible night to be headed to Perth. Aircraft crossing the bight westbound at FL260, just to turn around and come right back to MEL from nearly Esperance (TT421). 150kt+ wind speeds above FL300 causing many domestic flights to go low tonight. At least that turn back to Melbourne had a good push.


Fascinating.

Here is the flightaware.com track

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TGG421

Took them ~2h50m (@FL260) to get to the turn around point and then 2hrs to get back (@FL350).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:50 am

Malindo Air launched its services to MEL today, operating MEL-DPS-KUL (same as BNE)...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MXD178
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:24 am

Note VA697 diverted to ADL due to a female passenger 'threatening to kill everyone' not the fog


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-08/v ... ff/9848328
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:41 am

TT755 SYD-PER also diverted to MEL from a similar point south of Esperance as TT421.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 5#11a41894

Along with VA474 flying BNE-MEL-PER which seems to have planned for a MEL stop before departure.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VOZ ... /YBBN/YMML

QF597 BNE-PER made a 30 minute stop in ADL for more fuel I presume, before continuing to PER.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 7#11a3e721

Seems the narrowbodies on BNE-PER and the TT flights were the most affected. Which then begs the question why were TT so affected when JQ flying the same equipment seemed to have no issues. Unlucky with timing? Not carrying enough hold fuel if PER remained fogged? or an equipment/training difference in regard to low vis approaches?

Interesting looking at the variation of routes taken during the evening from SYD and BNE with some heading significantly north of the GC and some coming down south overflying MEL before heading over.
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:44 am

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Very interesting, i presume TT diverted into MEL as they have a base there and easier to handle diverts, as opposed to ADL.

I would have thought KGI would have been the nearest place for splash and dash, but maybe it wasnt an option at that time.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:14 am

The weather here in Perth has been pretty atrocious the last few days, but does anyone know the minima last night/this morning?

PER recently finished upgrading the ILS equipment and lighting on 03/21 to prevent exactly this sort of thing. Bit of a shame if the first foggy morning of the cold season still made it unserviceable.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:19 am

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The weather here in Perth has been pretty atrocious the last few days, but does anyone know the minima last night/this morning?

PER recently finished upgrading the ILS equipment and lighting on 03/21 to prevent exactly this sort of thing. Bit of a shame if the first foggy morning of the cold season still made it unserviceable.


Wasnt that cold, i know when i was driving this morning around 9am the news said it was 9 degrees.
Didnt think the weather had been that bad, we have had a lot worse.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:25 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf744fan wrote:
The weather here in Perth has been pretty atrocious the last few days, but does anyone know the minima last night/this morning?

PER recently finished upgrading the ILS equipment and lighting on 03/21 to prevent exactly this sort of thing. Bit of a shame if the first foggy morning of the cold season still made it unserviceable.


Wasnt that cold, i know when i was driving this morning around 9am the news said it was 9 degrees.
Didnt think the weather had been that bad, we have had a lot worse.



Agreed. I drive up the coast from Freo, so fog is rare as it gets blown away. The airport is another story though.
 
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:57 am

qf744fan wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
qf744fan wrote:
The weather here in Perth has been pretty atrocious the last few days, but does anyone know the minima last night/this morning?

PER recently finished upgrading the ILS equipment and lighting on 03/21 to prevent exactly this sort of thing. Bit of a shame if the first foggy morning of the cold season still made it unserviceable.


Wasnt that cold, i know when i was driving this morning around 9am the news said it was 9 degrees.
Didnt think the weather had been that bad, we have had a lot worse.


Agreed. I drive up the coast from Freo, so fog is rare as it gets blown away. The airport is another story though.


Last night we were advised that we could have fog, it was a precautionary measure. Unfortunately for the BNE flight it was sort of a double whammy, the first being the headwinds, as mentioned they were around 150knots (300km) at FL350 so aircraft were cruising at FL250 resulted in higher fuel burn, the second being forecast for potential fog requiring more fuel just it case they had to do a u turn. I left The airport around 5 and it was about 4 degrees then, it wasn’t really foggy then well above the minimums
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:01 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
a320fan wrote:

Very interesting, i presume TT diverted into MEL as they have a base there and easier to handle diverts, as opposed to ADL.

I would have thought KGI would have been the nearest place for splash and dash, but maybe it wasnt an option at that time.


ADL has an 11pm-6am curfew so that would likely be a major factor why most of them didn't divert... The only one that did breach curfew (that I can find) was VA697 and that had the unruly pax so likely the reason for the exception...

Per https://infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/ ... lines.aspx

Adelaide Airport may be nominated and used as a planned or unplanned alternate airport during the curfew. For international operations, landings and subsequent take-offs are permitted during the curfew. For domestic operations, only landings are permitted.
. So those flights, knowing PER was experiencing bad weather, wouldn't have been able to divert to ADL as they wouldn't be allowed to take off again.
 
jrfspa320
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:15 am

Qantas16 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
a320fan wrote:

Very interesting, i presume TT diverted into MEL as they have a base there and easier to handle diverts, as opposed to ADL.

I would have thought KGI would have been the nearest place for splash and dash, but maybe it wasnt an option at that time.


ADL has an 11pm-6am curfew so that would likely be a major factor why most of them didn't divert... The only one that did breach curfew (that I can find) was VA697 and that had the unruly pax so likely the reason for the exception...

I did not know ADL had a curfew, learn something new everyday! These combined weather events are fairly rare, but do highlight the range advantage of being on a widebody aircraft for the transcon flights
 
aerokiwi
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:04 am

getluv wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
getluv wrote:

Well, you're a VA apologist so maybe you should have a breath and not let facts get in the way of reality. It's been mentioned countless times, there's no approval needed. As you said, this is a simple codesharing arrangement on domestic services in their respective domestic network.

For your information, VA international figures for March 2018 according to BITRE:

Inbound pax - ALL Services: 100 700 / New Zealand services - 56 817
Outbound pax - ALL Services: 101 682 / New Zealand services - 52 433

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... tions.aspx


Ok cool. Figures prove that New Zealand is 50 per cent of their international pax. But aren't RPKs a more accurate measure of international revenues? And while I can't find that figure broken down by region at a glance at VA's annual report, I can see that New Zealand generated $150m in revenues. Meanwhile the rest of the world generated about $600m. It's a bit clumsy as it's based on sales in those regions, while Australian revenue accounts for domestic Australian only (I think).

But it's a good indication that New Zealand does not account for 50 per cent of VA's international business. Actually, quite far from it. Passengers, sure. But what's more important ya reckon?

And I'm certainly not a VA apologist. Time and again I've acknowledged their muck ups. But your continued campaign against them is truly bizarre. Because just about every criticism you lob at Virgin is applicable to Qantas, the latter with an inconsistent onboard product (international J, domestic Y IFE, A330 vs 737 transcon), inconsistent branding (1984 rang!), stagnating and mixed fleet (no narrowbodies on order, A320s and B717 and F100s) and chop and change longhaul strategy (later Dubai!). None of which I really cate about until the dumping on Virgin for the same thing, often inaccurately. It's almost like you're willing VA's demise. Why? Would you benefit in some way? Have they personally harmed you?

A common refrain on here is that VA should stick to its knitting. So which is it? Should they be smashing it on the Tasman in some ego-driven money burn fest or pulling back to domestic only "where they belong"?


Here you go again. VA's downfall for the past few years has been the man at the top. It's interesting that since the capacity war with QF ended and low oil prices, VA can barely make a profit. What difference would RPKs make in VA small international network anyway? They've got 14 flights a week to LAX and a daily flight to HKG, and only LAX would be considered long haul. As it stands New Zealand is an important part of VA's network, and NZ was an important source of traffic not only for their own TT services but their own domestic services. Now not only has the feed been cut, but its been given to QF. The fact NZ did a deal with QF, of all people, says it all.

Bringing up 1984, what does that have to do with any today? A330 vs 737s transcon? Really, have you seen VA's schedule between the East Coast and Perth lately, especially on BNE-PER flights and post SYD-HKG launching.

I can bring up Skywest, ATRs, TT's international launch, getting their own investors offside, announcing PER-AUH then pulling it, there's countless things I could say all issues that are only a few years old. If you're going to tell people to get a reality check, do one yourself.


That's the thing, you do mention them - all the time. Which is fine, but prepare to be called out on it when you're not consistent and QF undertakes some pretty breakneck changes itself, many of them remarkably similar (ditch Abu Dhabi vs ditch Dubai; reduce domestic A330s transcons; onboard product consistency, fleet diversity and age).

I mention 1984 because it's remarkable that an airline can fly a fair few aircraft around in a livery that was ditched ten years ago - TEN! At the very least, Virgin got its marketing and image in order. There's still a fair bit of prominent airport signage in the 1984 style. I find that remarkable.

Yeah Brisbane and Perth are both in markets that have been in decline in recent years, so it makes sense to reduce capacity. But Qantas does too, to the point where, from Melbourne, our exec team no longer pay the $2,000+ fares for transcon J-class on either airline because of how often they are subbed for 737s. Isn't this just good capacity/yield management? VA would be criticised if they didn't do this. Clearly it grates you - you fly PER-BNE a fair bit I take it?

You make bold assertions with little or flimsy evidence - I've given facts and figures but I understand the temptation to resort to oversimplification with terms like "half this" "dependant on that". It doesn't get called out much here. No doubt the ending of NZ relationship will have an impact, but given its decline over the years, that's possible been muted. Total supposition on my part, but likewise it is on yours too. VA have responded unexpectedly by upping Tasman capacity, routes and capacity - maybe they feel that's sufficient. I dunno - but nor do you.

VA has made many mistakes (Tiger international was a doozy, but on the bright side Tiger is light years ahead of where it was when VA purchased it), but it has made some good calls too and is slowly turning it around (its international J class is getting rave reviews). It wasn't long ago that QF was asking the public to back its debt. Remember that? Oh how quickly things change. But don't let that get in the way of another vent. Try the New Zealand thread, where they work themselves up into an almighty lather with their oh-so-sophisticated "analysis", which boils down to "Borghetti sucks, Luxon rulez bro".

I hope recent improvements have turned things around and I'm looking forward to the end of year results. I want them to be profitable and, if they still haven't nailed it, then yeah they're going to have to rethink things. But they haven't sat on their hands so far. I wish VA the best. I hope QF does well too. I hope the whole sector thrives - hopefully international headwinds are cancelled out by a pretty robust domestic economy. Then we all benefit.
 
moa999
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:45 am

Not many left in the 1984 livery now.
But they are such gradual changes not really worth spending the $s before absolutely necessary
 
M1ssilez
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:06 am

moa999 wrote:
Not many left in the 1984 livery now.
But they are such gradual changes not really worth spending the $s before absolutely necessary

True, but most of Qantas's hangars still have the 1984 signage on it, as well as a few airport schedule screens (such as such as the ones at MEL), which IMHO is long overdue for a fresh update.
 
zkncj
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2018

Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:09 am

M1ssilez wrote:
moa999 wrote:
Not many left in the 1984 livery now.
But they are such gradual changes not really worth spending the $s before absolutely necessary

True, but most of Qantas's hangars still have the 1984 signage on it, as well as a few airport schedule screens (such as such as the ones at MEL), which IMHO is long overdue for a fresh update.


QF isn't alone in updating there hanger signage NZ is the same, and at AKL you can still make out NAC painted on the back of the old DC8 hanger.
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