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SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:46 am

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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 2:57 am

Is WN going to be announcing SAT-BOS, SAT-SMF, and/or SAT-SJC nonstop service tomorrow? BOS, SMF, and SJC are three of the top destinations traveled to from SAT that currently don't have any nonstop service from SAT, and WN could add nonstop service to these three destinations from SAT.

Other possibilities include B6 starting service out of SAT with nonstop service to BOS (and possibly FLL and JFK), DL adding nonstop service to SEA, BOS, CVG, and/or RDU from SAT, AA adding nonstop service to JFK from SAT, NK starting service out of SAT, and AS adding nonstop service to PDX and/or California destinations from SAT. DY, FI, or WW adding transatlantic service to SAT is another possibility.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:09 am

Is SAT within the limits of DCA and LGA?
If so I see WN adding both with the additional slots picked up from AS.
I believe DCA and LGA both give WN an additional RON at each airport.
DCA- SAT-SJC-SAT-DCA
LGA-SAT-SMF-SAT-LGA

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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:11 am

Surely a long haul route...

What else could truly be described as historic but a maiden TATL from SAT?

BA to LHR or LH to FRA are my bold predictions...
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:11 am

Norwegian?
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:12 am

BA to LHR
DE to FRA, MUN, or SXF
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:13 am

"More dots" implies more than one new destination, so I'd guess F9 or G4.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:19 am

Would be shocked if it was anything other than F9 or WN..
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:25 am

TheLion wrote:
Surely a long haul route...

What else could truly be described as historic but a maiden TATL from SAT?

BA to LHR or LH to FRA are my bold predictions...


https://twitter.com/SATairport/status/9 ... 0640481280 - shows map of US

TATL routes normally aren't announced now, unless it is Aer Lingus

How about SAT-BOS
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:30 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Is SAT within the limits of DCA and LGA?
If so I see WN adding both with the additional slots picked up from AS.
I believe DCA and LGA both give WN an additional RON at each airport.
DCA- SAT-SJC-SAT-DCA
LGA-SAT-SMF-SAT-LGA

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It's outside of DCA limits and it was recently shot down by the House, but is being pushed in the Senate now. AA and UA are fighting it while WN is supporting it.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:34 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Is SAT within the limits of DCA and LGA?
If so I see WN adding both with the additional slots picked up from AS.
I believe DCA and LGA both give WN an additional RON at each airport.
DCA- SAT-SJC-SAT-DCA
LGA-SAT-SMF-SAT-LGA

Flyguy


SAT is not within the LGA and DCA perimeters, and an extra beyond-perimeter slot exemption would need to be added for WN to be able to serve DCA nonstop from SAT. AUS is beyond the DCA perimeter, but WN has a beyond-perimeter slot exemption that allows WN to do 1 daily nonstop in each direction between AUS and DCA. WN can do Saturday-only nonstop service to destinations outside of the LGA perimeter (including SAT), and WN did operate seasonal Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA from SAT back in Fall 2017.

I could see WN resuming Saturday-only nonstop service to LGA from SAT, but WN will not be adding SAT-DCA nonstop service due to the DCA perimeter rule. The DCA perimeter rule does not allow Saturday-only nonstop service to a beyond-perimeter destination without a beyond-perimeter slot exemption.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:45 am

usflyguy wrote:
BA to LHR
DE to FRA, MUN, or SXF


I think LHR could be the dark horse.

SXF?!?!? BER can't sustain year-round service anywhere in the US outside New York. Keep dreaming.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:46 am

You don’t drop the word ‘Historic’ if you don’t mean ‘Boston.’
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:58 am

I am going to guess its Frontier and its alot of unserved cities in the US. They said Dots which makes me think its a few new cities in less than daily service

Norwegian would be cool, but we haven't heard a thing on here about even a rumor or heard of them working on an incentive package.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 4:00 am

I think if they are suggesting multiple new dots, it's probably allegiant
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 4:24 am

chrisnh wrote:
You don’t drop the word ‘Historic’ if you don’t mean ‘Boston.’


I bet they meant Cairo or Athens...
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 4:41 am

MT to MAN? I only say this as wasn’t this rumoured a while ago? Definitely the outsider mind...
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 4:50 am

Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 4:51 am

Surprised there’s so much talk about BOS; I get that it’s an old city, but it seems like too much of a statement for a relatively... un-exotic route?
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 5:08 am

 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 5:16 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c

No surprise there. F9 has taken the rains lately with their dartboard-like approach. Their presence at SAT is already pretty substantial. Curious as to how you found this out, or if its just pure speculation...
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 5:22 am

usflyguy wrote:
BA to LHR
DE to FRA, MUN, or SXF


Zero chance. Just as Norwegian. AUS, not that far down the road, will be getting the TATL service. It will likely be a F9 rous or two.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 5:26 am

The clue was they said dots not a dot. Frontier loves to do this now throw a bunch of cities out there and see what works.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 5:29 am

I looked at some random dates in September and found 2x weekly CMH-SAT nonstop loaded into F9's website (wednesdays and saturdays). Not bookable yet but it's there
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 5:59 am

FA9295 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c

No surprise there. F9 has taken the rains lately with their dartboard-like approach. Their presence at SAT is already pretty substantial. Curious as to how you found this out, or if its just pure speculation...


Presence at SAT substantial? With what less than daily service to a handful of cities? I mean how many daily flights do they even fly out of SAT?
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 7:20 am

It's being said that jetBlue is making an announcement tomorrow..... (There's a thread on it now.)

bb
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 10:58 am

SANFan wrote:
It's being said that jetBlue is making an announcement tomorrow..... (There's a thread on it now.)

bb


FA9295 wrote:



Its frontier
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 11:20 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c


Also found SAT-OMA/ABQ
737max8 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c

No surprise there. F9 has taken the rains lately with their dartboard-like approach. Their presence at SAT is already pretty substantial. Curious as to how you found this out, or if its just pure speculation...


Presence at SAT substantial? With what less than daily service to a handful of cities? I mean how many daily flights do they even fly out of SAT?


The flights are all already on F9s website
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 12:19 pm

737max8 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c

No surprise there. F9 has taken the rains lately with their dartboard-like approach. Their presence at SAT is already pretty substantial. Curious as to how you found this out, or if its just pure speculation...


Presence at SAT substantial? With what less than daily service to a handful of cities? I mean how many daily flights do they even fly out of SAT?


Same thing at RDU. They serve over 20 destinations I think, but they prob have a total of <10 flights/day.
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 12:52 pm

What time is the announcement occurring at?
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 12:57 pm

No MSP?
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:02 pm

ryanrap1 wrote:
What time is the announcement occurring at?


8:30 AM central

flymco753 wrote:
No MSP?


Don't remember but we should find out soon enough
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:31 pm

Add MEM/SAT to the list.

It's interesting, they are taking a page from Southwest. One MEM date showed MEM to SAT via DEN and TUL with the TUL stop a no plane change. I assume this is how they are going to to cut down on connection times.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:32 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Found it: F9 SAT-TUL/OKC/CMH/JAX/CLT/CLE/e.t.c


I’m sure there won’t be a press release when half of those flights are canceled.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Well, the San Antonio Business Journal is making a big deal out of United adding another daily flight to EWR.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/ ... sa-to.html
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:42 pm

ual763 wrote:
Well, the San Antonio Business Journal is making a big deal out of United adding another daily flight to EWR.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/ ... sa-to.html


The Memphis Biz Journal hasn't even mentioned their United MEM/EWR increase. Funny how those Biz Journals works.


Frontier is stringing the darts together now. I saw a BKG to MCO routed Den to GRR(no plane change)to Orlando.

They sending the planes from Denver to a smaller market like Tulsa to another larger market like SAT. This is their way to improve loads.

Would love to see something like SAT-MEM-RDU-BOS
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:45 pm

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... n-antonio/

Albuquerque
Charlotte
Cleveland
Columbus
Jacksonville
Memphis
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Tulsa

Let's see how this goes...
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:54 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-adds-nine-new-routes-from-san-antonio/

Albuquerque
Charlotte
Cleveland
Columbus
Jacksonville
Memphis
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Tulsa

Let's see how this goes...


ABQ is the only one of these routes that makes even remote sense. I'll be shocked if many/any of these stick.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:58 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but press release doesnt seem to mention a start date for these new routes....

Midwestindy wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-adds-nine-new-routes-from-san-antonio/

Albuquerque
Charlotte
Cleveland
Columbus
Jacksonville
Memphis
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Tulsa

Let's see how this goes...


Most start the week of August 13th I believe
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, CDG, CLT, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 1:59 pm

Maybe I missed it, but press release doesnt seem to mention a start date for these new routes....

Midwestindy wrote:
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-adds-nine-new-routes-from-san-antonio/

Albuquerque
Charlotte
Cleveland
Columbus
Jacksonville
Memphis
Oklahoma City
Omaha
Tulsa

Let's see how this goes...
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:01 pm

OKC and ABQ might hang around longer than six months. The others? Doubtful.

So many darts, not enough space on the map...
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:14 pm

SAT - OKC/TUL. I'm surprised that WN never picked those up.
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:16 pm

Wonder if this is a vote of confidence for CLT-AUS. Weird how F9 added a new route to a dot only an hour away when AUS just started like last month.
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:22 pm

They are trying to keep the routes around by putting the smaller stations like Tulsa in the middle. Like DEN-TUL-SAT. They are blocking 1hr for the no plane change turnarounds. They are emulating WN by expanding two stop routing but having one being a no plane change. There are still some horrific overnight layovers in DEN. I guess more planes coming from that order may help that but that's at least two years away.
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:25 pm

No way these routes, or the routes in AUS, last longer than one year.
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:28 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
They are trying to keep the routes around by putting the smaller stations like Tulsa in the middle. Like DEN-TUL-SAT. They are blocking 1hr for the no plane change turnarounds. They are emulating WN by expanding two stop routing but having one being a no plane change. There are still some horrific overnight layovers in DEN. I guess more planes coming from that order may help that but that's at least two years away.


The amount of people who are going to fly DEN-TUL/OKC-SAT is tiny
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:32 pm

Not that it wasn’t abundantly clear already but F9 has too much capacity in search of a strategy. As a Clevelander I remember when it was our turn for such love, but so many of the flights are now long gone.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:41 pm

Kind of curious as to why F9 is starting SAT-CLT. AA has 4 non-stops on the route. Back in the day, if a small carrier dared to start service on a route to an AA hub, AA dumped seats and lowered fares. IIRC, the government went after AA, after it dumped seats and lowered fares on DFW-MCI, after Vanguard started the route.

Service to TUL and OKC is clearly aimed at AA and WN, both of which currently require a connection out of SAT.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities

Thu May 17, 2018 2:45 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Not that it wasn’t abundantly clear already but F9 has too much capacity in search of a strategy. As a Clevelander I remember when it was our turn for such love, but so many of the flights are now long gone.



It look a like they are developing a hybrid strategy between Allegiant and Southwest. Less than daily and an emphasis on leasure like Allegiant and routing like Southwest. I assume the long term goal with the parent company's order book at AB is to trend more to the Southwest model over time.
 
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Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Thu May 17, 2018 3:11 pm

CarlosSi wrote:
Surprised there’s so much talk about BOS; I get that it’s an old city, but it seems like too much of a statement for a relatively... un-exotic route?


It would have been exotic and historic compared to places like Charlotte, Cleveland, Columbus, Oklahoma City, Omaha and Tulsa.

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